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  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Dewey, with all due respect this survey merely confirms what we all already knew.

    Just passing along info Houdini. It wasn't necessarily meant for you. If you have no interest then I would suggest that you ignore it. :P
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    OK Howard and DrFill,

    which one below is the true performance enthusiast and which one is the poseur?

    A) The person who is in denial that a DSG can outshift him with a manual tranny?
    B) The person who picks DSG in order to get the best performance possible?

    I guess the answer is obvious, dont you think?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I agree with most of their choices, but they lost me on Ford's 4.6L SOHC Mustang\truck engine. How is that best anything? Its crude, and makes a pathetic amount of power for its size. Since when does being dirt cheap to produce make an engine "best"?
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I meant the big 3 in brand satisfaction even though technically you are of course correct, it is the big two.

    I'm waiting to see the reports of the owners of the new MDX in about 6 months. Right now, it's still a bit early as I wait out the euphoria stage.

    I will skip the one Isuzu and the Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara which was rated by CR recently at a dismal "17." I don't believe I have ever seen a vehicle rated that poorly.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    A) The person who is in denial that a DSG can outshift him with a manual tranny?
    B) The person who picks DSG in order to get the best performance possible?


    I don't think thats really it. Even Porsche admits that the Tiptronic 911 Turbo is faster than the MT version. That doesn't mean that those who choose to buy the MT are "in denial".

    Consider hydraulic vs. fly-by-wire flight controls. Keeping a P-38 in the air was 100% pilot skill. Modern jet fighters are flown by computers, with the stick serving as a pointing device. How many pilots of today's fighters could pull a P-38 out of a spin or stall?

    Driving with a MT is like that. Yes SMGs and even some manumatics can shift faster, but there's satisfaction in you rather than the computers doing the work.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    Heh, heh, heh!! :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    A CVT can outshift me! That doesn't mean I'm gonna drive it, or it's the appropriate transmission for a sports car.

    Corvettes weren't created to be mated to an automatic transmission.

    To defend sloth or laziness, you better be Johnnie Cochran, reincarnated. I'm no Marcia Clark! ;)

    DrFill
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Audi AG 2L turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Audi A3)
    BMW AG 3L DOHC I-6 (Z4 3.0si)
    BMW AG 3L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (335i)
    DaimlerChrysler AG 3L DOHC V-6 turbodiesel (Mercedes-Benz E320 Bluetec/Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD)
    DaimlerChrysler AG Hemi 5.7L OHV V-8 (Chrysler 300C)
    Ford Motor Co. Duratec 35 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Ford Edge/Lincoln MKX)
    Ford Motor Co. 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Mustang GT/Mustang Shelby GT)
    Mazda Motor Corp. 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Mazdaspeed3)
    Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G35)
    Toyota Motor Corp. 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)

    This list is a bunch of %&$#!

    NEITHER of the Ford engines should be thur! The 3.5 because since THE LAST GENERATION Altima had similar power, and the Nissan and Toyota 3.5 easily overpower it. The 4.6 because it's just less efficient, and only as powerful as the 3.5 in the Nissan and Toyota! Plus it's crude in comparison.

    This list should be kept to naturally-aspirated only. Not even the Prius' engine should make it.

    Here's my list:

    G35 3.5 (306HP, MT or AT)
    Dodge HEMI SRT-8 (Many vehicles, 425HP, 6.1L)
    Vette Z06 (7.0L 505HP, lightweight, 0-60 in 3.3)
    BMW 3.0 (255HP)
    Lexus LS460 (380HP from 4.6L, matching 5.5L)
    Mercedes BlueTec Diesel
    Ferrari 4.3 (483HP, 5-valves per cylinder)
    Honda S2000 (240HP out of 2.2L)
    2007 Toyota Tundra (381HP, 400+ lbs.ft from 5.7L)
    Mazda RX-8 Rotory (1.3L, 238HP)

    DrFill
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I don't think turbo or supercharged engines should be kept off the list, but listing the BMW 3.0L twice (with turbo and without) is kind of lame. I do agree about the Duratec 35, Ford shouldn't be given an award for finally making a somewhat competitive V6 5 years too late.

    Mazda's 2.3L turbo is more sophisticated than the rotary, and just a better engine overall. The rotary has very anemic torque (worse than the S2000 I think) and it guzzles oil like its going out of style.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    lexusguy - you will also appreciate this.

    You and I briefly chatted about this improvement much earlier in the year, and it has finally happened.

    link title

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yeah I read about that in Motor Trend, apparently the reason it took so long is because they had to redesign the front to handle the front mounted autobox. Hopefully this will mean increased sales for Maserati.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Here's DrFill's list:

    G35 3.5 (306HP, MT or AT)
    Dodge HEMI SRT-8 (Many vehicles, 425HP, 6.1L)
    Vette Z06 (7.0L 505HP, lightweight, 0-60 in 3.3)
    BMW 3.0 (255HP)
    Lexus LS460 (380HP from 4.6L, matching 5.5L)
    Mercedes BlueTec Diesel
    Ferrari 4.3 (483HP, 5-valves per cylinder)
    Honda S2000 (240HP out of 2.2L)
    2007 Toyota Tundra (381HP, 400+ lbs.ft from 5.7L)
    Mazda RX-8 Rotory (1.3L, 238HP)

    No biturbo BMW engine on your list?

    This is the introduction of the very first straight six with twin turbos . This engine produces the level of responsiveness that has never been witnessed in any other turbo. Unlike other turbos this 3.0L biturbo runs as smooth as a regular BMW i6. The biturbo generates V8 power with the fuel efficiency of a BMW i6. And last but not least due to its two turbochargers this engine does not have the time lag that other turbos have. In fact based on my own personal experience time/turbo lag is practically non-existent.

    Quite a phenemonal engine IMO. Especially when your consider the true performance specs of this engine. It has been proven by several reviewers to be far more superior than indicated by BMW official figures. Which makes this engine more superior than both the Infiniti and Lexus 3.5L engines on the Ward's List.

    BMW could have built an engine with more displacement and higher fuel consumption but instead it chose build a sophistacated fuel efficient lighter engine that can generate oodles of power.

    Impressive indeed!
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Probably the main reason I own BMWs is because of their availability with sticks. But maybe in the future I may own a car with a DSG or a much "improved and better SMG "tranny then what is currently available.

    My initial point was that calling someone a poseur because he is impressed with the way a DSG shifts does not at all make him a poseur.

    No DrFill in this case your argument does not resemble Marcia Clark's. Your Top 10 List is another matter altogether ;)

    Oh and by the way I found out why there are no HELC engines on Ward's List. To qualify a car with a listed engine cannot have a price above $52K.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    This is the introduction of the very first straight six with twin turbos . This engine produces the level of responsiveness that has never been witnessed in any other turbo.

    Uh, whose first I6 turbo? BMW's? If you mean world's first, I'm sure the Supra TT will have something to say about that. The old 2.8L Skyline GT-R engine was also a twin turbo straight six.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    What a bummer!

    This could've very well beent the car sitting in my garage instead of the S8(maybe, maybe not).

    Finally, an Automatic. Maseratti should know that we pesky Yankees love our big cars to be extra-smooth, and introducing the DuoSelect as the only tranny choice only added to the problems.

    The ZF is probably the best 6-speed on the market right now. They couldn't have made a better choice.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    , whose first I6 turbo? BMW's? If you mean world's first, I'm sure the Supra TT will have something to say about that. The old 2.8L Skyline GT-R engine was also a twin turbo straight six

    OK let me clarify.

    The first TT straight-six with high precision fuel injection and an all-aluminium crankcase. Is there any engine that fits that description?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The first TT straight-six with high precision fuel injection and an all-aluminium crankcase. Is there any engine that fits that description?

    Not that I know of. Both the Toyota 2JZ-GTE and Nissan RB26DETT engines were iron block\aluminum head SOHC, without any kind of VVT system or exotic fuel injection.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Does the Twin-Turbo L6 keep the innovative magnesium heads?

    I still think the BMW 3.0L is arguably one of the best engines of any make.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    No it is aluminum since magnesium is a lighter metal that is not as suitable for a biturbo engine.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Not only is the answer obvious Dewey, but your right on the money retort in post# 21926 totally cracked me up! :D
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    That does it. Gotta have the 335i coupe! :shades:
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The first TT straight-six with high precision fuel injection and an all-aluminium crankcase. Is there any engine that fits that description?

    Dewey, I agree the TT engine is deserving, and while not on the Doc's list currently, it might earn its way there over more time.

    One thing for sure, you are mighty impressed with the engine! It's a winner, alright. ;)

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    To qualify a car with a listed engine cannot have a price above $52K.

    That explains a LOT.

    TagMan
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Well, I really do enjoy standing out. Case in point, Sprint Blue. I won't get more than $35K on it if I sell it in two years, but gosh, my S4 is beautiful. Grey, silver black- all so boring in comparison.

    I did, however, see a dark grey A8L the other day. It really caught my eye. It's handsome in all colors- but I think grey is very cool, if not the best. Of course, she doesn't like grey. Oh, well...

    I guess green will have to do. It's no British Racing Green (we were looking at the XJ before), but I don't think that we'll be at much of a loss, because the A8 is undoubtedly a better car than the XJ8. You have to really want the retro looks.

    Everyone, thanks for the advice. I'll put it to good use.

    '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    No price limit, naturally-aspirated ONLY.

    I hear you can hit a lot of home runs when you're on "The Clear" or The Cream". :surprise:

    Give me a boost, and I can slam on anybody!

    You'd be "Posterized"! ;)

    DrFill
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    My list:

    Infiniti 3.5L 306hp
    BMW 3.0TT 300hp
    Audi 2.0T 200-240hp (in other markets)
    Mercedes-Benz Blutec (E320)
    Audi 4.2L 420hp (RS4)
    Lexus 3.5L 306hp
    Porsche 3.6L 480hp (911 Turbo)
    Nissan 3.5L 270hp
    Subaru 2.5T 250hp
    Chrysler 5.7L 425hp (SRT8)

    IMO.

    '06 Audi A3 2.0T • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,876
    Folks, we're veering way off the high-end path again. Let's bring it back home.

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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    hpowders - I've found your next car for your 2-year lease. It will be available in March with the new Twin Turbo

    Here it is, my friend:

    link title

    TagMan
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Doc, Mercedes, BMW and Lexus will sell a ton of cars this month so your theory about Lexus being able to do so because of their commercials isn't true in the least.

    Secondly just because they commercials are on all the time and get peoples attention doesn't mean they aren't lame because they are. Go the News and Views thread and look under the commercials board, Lexus is mentioned every year around this time as the most annoying holiday commercials going.

    You really have to drink the Lexus kool aid to think that those awful commercials are moving the product and not the special deals.

    Everyone will sell a jillion cars this month, not just Lexus. Yes MB/BMW would need help, or hire a new advertising firm to come up commercials so droll.

    M
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thanks for that information, Tag.

    Deliciously complicates my choice: twin-turbos? diesels? 4.8 L X5 to please the boss? (Anything but an MDX!)

    Whichever BMW I decide on, I do believe I will go with the color in the photo. Very nice. I have had silver cars for too long.
    It's starting to affect my hair color. :)
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