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  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    I would love a BMW 5 series with the 3L/turbo engine - BUT - since I can't stand the current Bangle E60, will wait until the 09 redesign if my trusty 97 528 is still running (155K at present and going strong), and if I am not lured to something else first. That said, the 'rest of the world' still has a l-o-n-g way to go to beat BMW at anything to do with driving.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    It's going to be a tough call with all these great vehicles coming to market next year.

    I feel sorry for ya' ;)

    It'll be fun watching you change your mind a couple hundred times before making the final decision. :)

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Is the '09 the one that some folks think is too conservative looking in the styling dept., based upon spy pics?

    If that's the one I'm thinking of, I actually thought it was a good looking vehicle with graceful lines, as I recall... unless I'm thinking of something else.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Count me in as one of those waiting for a diesel. I am looking forward to the Audi 3.0 TDI (what a sweet engine as I had the pleasure of cruising Europe in an A6 3.0 TDI), but would love the A8's 4.2 TDI even more. I can only dream of seeing and experiencing the monster Audi V12 TDI straight out of the R10. That would be my ultimate ride!

    There is very serious talk of a monster diesel in the R8. What a dream car that will be, if it happens.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes. I realize that I have shown interest in quite a few vehicles. But I have eliminated some.

    Could use the space of an SUV, but would hate to drive a vehicle that large and heavy even if it would be the 4.8 L X5. I do believe I would regret it.

    I would be interested in any BMW diesel that comes along at that time. Of course, that decision would be affected by whether I have to drive to Pittsburgh to re-fuel. :surprise:

    And I may test drive the A8 if I see some good leasing deals out there.

    Yes, the next time around will be the most exciting.
    However, whatever my choice turns out to be, I won't be driving it for more than 2 years.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes. It looks pretty much "de-Bangle-ed."
    The rear should please most folks.
    Shows BMW corporate can listen.

    Now about that thing you call iDrive....
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    And I may test drive the A8 if I see some good leasing deals out there.

    Yes, the next time around will be the most exciting.
    However, whatever my choice turns out to be, I won't be driving it for more than 2 years.


    Ah, yes, by all means add the A8... great car.

    However, by the time you are ready, the "list" will be more like a scroll of candidates. ;)

    Would you turn down that diesel if the shortest lease were 3 years? Or are you sure there will be a two-year term available?

    BTW, how many total cars do you and the wife drive, or expect to drive?

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well, I only need one. My wife doesn't drive but if I can talk her into getting her license, I will have "almost two."

    One good thing; my wife has become totally accustomed to BMW's and wants nothing else. She protested loudly when I test drove the LS430 and GS430 in 2005.

    BMW offers 2 year leases on all their vehicles, no exceptions, with incredibly high residuals of 72% or better for 24k miles on many of their vehicles. The X3 2 year lease residual is currently 77%.

    I don't believe the BMW leasing protocol will change with the arrival of the diesels, but a minimum 3 year lease would be a deal-breaker.

    If BMW ever decides to go with 18 months, I'm knocking on their door.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,958
    Yes, my next purchase will be a diesel of some sort. I don't think it would be a helc though. Probably a small car for emergency use in case gas prices soar. Something in the 50mpg range.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    This link must have been missed by some. I think Dewey might have posted it originally. Anyway BMW isn't bringing diesels to the US any time soon:

    "While Volkswagen and Mercedes already sell diesels in the U.S. market, BMW has no plans to do so any time soon and declines to use the BLUETEC name, currently being used to help sell Mercedes-Benz E 320s that run on ultra low sulphur diesel in the U.S.

    The world's biggest premium carmaker, a fierce rival of DaimlerChrysler's luxury Mercedes brand, first wants to develop a urea-based technology to reduce nitrogen oxides before considering a sustained entry into the U.S. diesel market."


    From Reuters, Nov. 22, 2006
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,958
    An article in yesterdays newspaper said otherwise. It quoted BMW as saying the U.S. would have a BMW diesel by 2008. They declined to say which models.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Hmm, that's correct. Just googled and got this one from Autoweek. I wonder why the discrepancy. I recently heard a complaint about Reuters but don't know the extent or truth of it.

    From Autoweek, Dec. 7, 2006
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    D-man - BMW will bring a diesel here. It has been published seperate from their break with the "alliance".

    You can bank on it. There is enough publicity already, and it makes too much sense. Given their position, they could not make such a blunder and leave it to the rest. And being BMW, they will offer a terrific one at that.

    hpowders may be the first one here to actually own (lease) it.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Yes, my next purchase will be a diesel of some sort. I don't think it would be a helc though. Probably a small car for emergency use in case gas prices soar. Something in the 50mpg range.

    I completely understand the emotion associated with that post. I think it is incredibly common now in this country.

    Recent survey showed Americans wanting a mandated 40 mpg average for cars sold here. Talk about a potential diesel market!

    Unfortunately, the urge to have a second high mpg vehicle for "emergency" needs to be evaluated. First, it is only the difference between the current mpg useage and that 50 mpg that would be the statistically significant number.

    Then there is the acquisition of that second vehicle itself. So, if you must spend, let's say, $18,000 - $28,000 for an upcoming theoretical economical diesel that gets an additional real-life 20 mpg over your current vehicle... then the price of the acquisition will take many, many years before you would ever see the monetary benefit...if ever.

    Instead, consider purchasing or leasing an actual replacement car that serves as your full-time driver... One that gets terrific mpg's.

    Frankly, hpowders approach to the upcoming marketplace is quite brilliant. If leased as a diesel.. a short term obligation with reasonable payments, and terrific mileage, and all in a great performing well-appointed vehicle... how does it get much better than that!!? And.. in two years comes the next best thing. Freakin' brilliant. It really is.

    Heck, I might just be talking myself into doing the same thing! ;)

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thank you for the compliment! :blush:

    With all the new technology coming at us at a fever pitch, I want to drive as many of these great new vehicles as I can. A 2 year (or shorter) lease with a high residual seems the way to do it for me.

    We'll see about the first to drive a diesel in the HELC thread.
    That would be quite an honor!
    On the BMW threads, I would probably be #262!

    The 335id sound intriguing-all that power with great mpg.

    I agree. BMW will not let MB bring BlueTec here without an appropriate response.

    Let the diesel wars begin!
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Yikes... consider a lease obligation of 3 - 6 years on a hybrid! And at an MSRP of $100,000 + ! Or, if purchased, what a risk that would be.

    As exclusive as the upcoming LS500hL might be, I have recently updated my position on this vehicle as too RISKY.

    And, as a side bar, the styling is bland enough even by today's standards, that in five more years, the styling could look too old to warrant it's initial giant price tag... and of course the technology will certainly have improved hugely, if not even completely changed, by that time, leaving the vehicle's powertrain technology much closer to the risk of becoming somewhat obsolete, or at a minimum outdated.

    LS600hL? - move with CAUTION!

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    hpowders - I think it is almost a certainty that there will be an increased supply of the mandated low-sulfur diesel fuel over the next two years and beyond.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    If you are going to do a vehicle for 4+ years, buying is smarter. At least if something better comes along in the interim, you can flip the vehicle. With the lease, you have to make the 48 payments in most cases.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    That is the only thing I can think of that can possibly go wrong. I do believe there is an internet site indicating where diesel fuel is being sold throughout the US. Hope your area comes along really soon.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Hope your area comes along really soon.

    It's all over the place here... only thing missing is the cars... we (and 4 other states) have to wait an extra year.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    That's a bummer.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Automobile Magazine has released the list of the 2007 Automobile All-Stars. The S-Class is included, of course.

    Here's the list of the 2007 All-Stars:
    2007 Automobile All-Stars

    Here's a quote and the direct link to the S-Class:

    This latest S not only addresses every single criticism we've mentioned, it moves the bar for this class virtually out of sight. That's depressing if you work for Lexus or BMW but mighty good news for fans of undiluted German motoring pomp.

    All-Star: 2007 Mercedes S-Class

    Anyway, I'll just post it, and you'll have to excuse me if I don't put a cheerleader spin on it and if I don't get out the pom-poms, all the while gulping Kool-Aid and yelling "Mercedes dominates the designation of benchmark"... blah, blah, blah. ;)

    TagMan
  • Volvo released its top-of-the-line SUV in the UK for 2007 (making way to US in 08?)

    XC90 SE Sport starts @ 36K GBP or 72K USD
    XC90 Executive starting @ 46K GBP or 90K USD to 100K+ for the V8 edition - WOW
    UK Release News

    The XC90 SE Sport looks somewhat like the Porsche Cayenne.
    Might not match the Cayenne S in performance but the XC90 sure looks stronger, sexier, and safer too (The 2007 Volvo XC90 Rated Top Safety pick by IIHS)

    SE Sport
    image

    Executive
    image
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Nice... for a Volvo. Personally, I'd rather see dual exhaust. Maybe the Sport model will have it. Will enough folks lay down $72K - $90K for a Volvo?...especially when the X5, Cayenne, Toureg, (and MDX) are out there. Any word on passenger capacity or U.S. engine choices?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Doc I wouldn't care what the sales numbers are, you're missing the point. Those commercials are lame and tired and uh..shallow to put it lightly. We all know they aren't running them for taste, its a cheesy sales pitch.

    Again, everyone has a big month in December. We already know Lexus outsells BMW and Mercedes during the year so why would Dec be any different? Now would be a good time to fall back on sales numbers though seeing as though Lexus new LS didn't make the Automobile Magazine's All-Stars list. The S-Class has that spot thank you.

    M
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    That could seal the deal.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "We already know Lexus outsells BMW."

    Yes and we already know that Thunderbird outsells Chateau Rothschild. :)
  • With a top price tag of $100K Volvo is making inroad for high end luxury SUV segment. I guess Volvo really made its SUV for Executives only with that six-figures price tag

    The Volvo XC90 Sport & Executive editions main competitors will be the Range Rover, Range Rover Sports, Cayenne S & Turbo, Mercedes M&G, X5 (MDX & Touareg, Lexus don't fit into this category)

    The sport edition has twin-exhausts, and just checked Volvo website, the SE Sport edition is available in US for 2007 model, and the Executive edition is to follow soon
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,958
    Well to each his own I guess. I like my approach better. Any time you buy or lease a car it is almost always a losing proposition financially so you might as well do whatever you want.

    I just do not see the rationale behind a BMW diesel. I don't think even hp would want to keep a BMW long enough to wear out a diesel engine. By that time every other part on the car would have had to be replaced 4 or 5 times. Talk about a money pit!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I just do not see the rationale behind a BMW diesel. I don't think even hp would want to keep a BMW long enough to wear out a diesel engine.

    WHAT!!!??? You always crow about the reliability of the Lexus, yet BWM would have a reliable long-lasting engine and you think it's nonsense.

    TagMan
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