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  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    That place isn't far from me and I'm tempted to call or even take a ride there to find out more just out of curiosity. One thing I am wondering, do airbags deploy when the car is shut off? We don't know if it was parked when this happened. A truck could have backed into it very slowly. A lot of damage can be done to a car with minimal impact depending on the exact location of the hit and the circumstances... speed, size of vehicle hitting it, angle of hit.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    Nope, I'm not buying it. Make up all the excuses you want but it still looks like a misfire to me. Any time you see a salvage title, that means the car has been totaled.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Would be funny if someone bought that Maybach, had it flatbedded to their driveway for Christmas morning and put a giant red bow on it as a gift for their spouse... a whole new twist on December to remember.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    yet some are so ready to assume the worst. This is only because the Maybach is a Mercedes-Benz product.

    Merc,

    I have video footage of this kind of hate towards MB and Maybach. It just amazes me how far people will go to point out a MB/Maybach weakness !

    This video shows two Lexus fans trying to prove how inadequate a Maybach passenger door is.

    Enjoy!

    Refer to the Video called "Becali VS Maybach Repair"

    BECALI VS MAYBACH REPAIR
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The Elite Scrap Yard December Red Bow Promotion.

    Hungry Divorce Lawyers could become rich with that idea (assuming there is such a thing as a hungry divorce lawyer)
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Hungry Divorce Lawyers could become rich with that idea (assuming there is such a thing as a hungry divorce lawyer)

    Hmm, I don’t know about that. That’s a pretty unique $100K+ gift… a whole lotta love! I haven’t gotten my wife a gift yet and I’m running out of creative ideas. I’m thinking of headin’ over there!

    Hey Pat, Kirstie or Karen, whaddya think? I need the keen perspective and intuition of a female colleague.

    ;-)
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,913
    count me as one who thinks there is no way we have enough info from photos to say that the maybach's airbags failed in any way. not even close...

    as awesome these super-luxo ~$100k sedans are, I prefer to own one new low-$ muscle car plus a used SUV plus 2 new VW TDIs.

    also, instead of the astrological nonsense, HOW OLD ARE ALL YALL and are there any females in the mix here? or are we all a bunch of bald older/middle-aged guys with hair growing from odd places? (i'm in my "mid-40s", bald, etc.)

    Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and respective other happy holidays to all of you regardless of age/income/assets/gender/sexual-preference/shoe-size.
  • HGPowders, your skill at negotiating a lease is probably good. But, your strategic plan is off. Of course you'll get a good deal at the end of the model year. Afterall, you "gave up" the benefit of driving a current model year car for 10 months and in about 45 days the car you just leased will have a birthday. Most savvy fleet buyers do the exact opposite: they lease at the very beginning (i.e., August) year of the model year to minimize depreciation. Most savvy USED car/truck buyers as result check the VIN to see really how long the vehicle has been in service.

    Briteness04, re: "a decent lease deal". That's an oxymoron like "political science" and "military music". There aren't any good lease deals. Period. Sure, some lease deals may appear good because they are subsidized but they are nowhere low enough to change the TCO of leasing vs. buying new and running for 5 years or, better than that, buying it when two years old as a CPO and running the clock out to 100K.

    It continually amazes me that for a forum full of business savvy car guys, so many are leasors. Leasing has many benefits, but none deal with pure economics. Leasing should be left to those MDs and others who are not car nuts, hate the idea of car shopping and are beguiled by their "advisors" that "everyone" leases because they can "write it off".
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    You just described my buying habits to a "T" so obviously I agree with all you said. I could never bring myself to put out $100,000.+ on a depreciating asset. There are too many good investments out there. But I do have an irrational love of fine automobiles.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • the lower money factors at the end of the model year, often times make up for the low residual values, if I'm not mistaken.

    Now back back to pedaling my liberal agenda. "Sorry Hillary, I'll be right there".
  • blckislandguy, the old saw generalization is not necessarily valid when you grind through the details regarding some of the lease deals. Take the first sedan lease deal on BMWUSA website for example: a 27mo lease with a residual of 74%, assuming you can get 8% off MSRP in the price negotiations, that means you are paying only 18% of the car's value to drive 27k miles, certainly beats buying the car if you are planning on dumping it at 100k miles. The break-even point is not reached until after 140k miles assuming the same 8% discount off MSRP for a purchase (92 times 1.5). Let's not forget, within the first 27k miles, the tires wear (approximately 4% of the car's price for a replacement set) and brake replacement (approximately another 4% of the car's price) are both covered; whereas they are not in the ownership after 50k miles. Yes, it's literally less expensive to have a new car every 27 months than buying a new one and keeping it for 5 years or more but not more than 140k miles, assuming average driving pattern. The reason? That the residual is heavily subsidized to puff up that fake MSRP. You have to take the lease offer to get that hot air out.

    CPO analysis is a little trickier, depending on whether the CPO'd car actually fetch the 74% residual or not. My guess is that it's not even close, so a better deal with CPO is possible, but then we are talking buying used cars. If you are planning on writing off the car at 100k, you should pay no more than 48% of MSRP for the remaining 73k miles in order to keep up with that 18% MSRP for 27k miles enjoyed by the first leaser, even assuming you do not place any value on the quality difference between the first 27k miles and the subsequent 73k miles, and that you do not have any mechanical or electrical issue between 50k and 100k miles, and CPO contract takes care of all maintenance and wear items till 100k miles (which is obviously not the case). Even assuming all that, BMW would have only recieved 66% of MSRP on the market through the two transactions . . . goes to show just how ridiculous the MSRP's are. Leasing simply helps you get past that 30+% fluff.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I like the idea of driving as many fine cars as I can in my lifetime.
    I would also rather not have the hassle of trying to unload a 5 year old vehicle and being humiliated into having to take whatever a dealer would give me on the trade for a new vehicle. I'd rather just give the vehicle back after 2-3 years and move on to the next one.
    It doesn't bother me whether leasing is a sound business decision or not. Whether you buy or lease, it is still a depreciating asset so leasing relatively late in the model year doesn't bother me. A 4 year free warranty is included.
  • I'm with you. I'll be faithful to my wife, but with cars it's a different deal. Bring on the newer faster model every two years or so.

    I can shop at the goodwill for my clothes, and eat cheap, but my downfall is ze cars.

    I wonder what all these "financial weanies" who buy their cars used, and drive them in to the dirt waste money on. Golf trips, expensive watches, expensive dinners out?

    My point being, everyone has their little must haves.

    "I like the idea of driving as many fine cars as I can in a lifetime". Hey Hpowers, your like friggen Shakspear these days
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    To drive or not to drive? That is the friggen question....Well I defer to Shakespeare. But I do believe I have a viable system for driving the best vehicles, walking away and repeating the procedure.
    All with no money down and all maintenance included.

    Looking forward to the end of my 545i lease so I can move on to something better like the BMW 335i twin turbo coupe or perhaps a 335d coupe if it becomes available here by August 2008.

    One thing's for sure, I am absolutely through with the 3 year lease concept. Never more than 2 years from now on. I want to drive as many great vehicles as I can!
    Glad you agree. :shades:
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Will this Jaguar CX-F replace the Jag S?
    A new competitor for the MB CLS?

    First of all why even bother calling it a Jaguar. It seems just too radical and the interior has the warmth of Dr. Spock (not to be mixed up with that child care fellow).

    The details are written in an Edmunds blog:

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  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The future may not involve platform sharing between MB and Chrysler. BUT based on this concept (and hopefully it stays a concept) there appears to be some design sharing between MB and Chrysler .

    Doesn't this new MB CLR 600 look a bit like a Dodge Challenger? It definitely has more of an Amercican Muscle Car Look than a Stuttgart Look.

    I like the look of the upcoming Dodge Challenger. But I hate the look of this Benz because it just does not look like a Benz IMO. And what is with that idiotic rear spoiler? Is Benz trying to imitate the Subaru WRX STi look?

    SOURCE: carbodydesign.com

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  • Briteness04, thanks for the thoughtful and lengthy response. Regrettably, I didn't fully understand it. I followed and agreed with the first 6 1/2 lines but you lost me beginning with the sentence "The break even point is not reached for 140K miles assuming the same 8% discount off MSRP for a purchase (92 times 1.5)"

    In any case, wouldn't the subsidized lease just result in a lower resale price when the moment of truth comes and it comes off lease? Used Saabs are a great buy because of this. Doesn't this just affirm my belief that the moment to buy these things is when they come off the subsidized lease? (Although, amazingly, a used '03 745i despite horrible electrical problems, the much maligned I Drive, and a bad press is still over 42K.)

    I'd appreciate it if you would clear this up. I think you are on to something.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    First of all why even bother calling it a Jaguar. It seems just too radical and the interior has the warmth of Dr. Spock (not to be mixed up with that child care fellow).

    Never take a concept interior at face value. Look at the Lexus LF-C interior of a few years ago. That was another space ship on the inside, and the actual production Lexus IS is a perfectly normal car on the inside. No floating electro-panels, no joysticks, and none of the other gimmicks that typically show up in concepts.

    I don't think Jaguar can be "too radical". They've done "too conservative" already, and its killing them. Jag needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, otherwise the replacement for the S-type might as well be a Rover 75.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    But I hate the look of this Benz because it just does not look like a Benz IMO. And what is with that idiotic rear spoiler? Is Benz trying to imitate the Subaru WRX STi look?

    Wow. I really hope for M-B's sake that this stays on paper, and preferably in a garbage can somewhere. If they actually make this thing, it will destroy the brand faster than you can say Mustang sedan.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Lexusguy or anyone else... my wife is interested in getting a portable GPS with Bluetooth. Got any suggestions?
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Oh, my dream would be the 335dxi coupe... I know they'd never come out with an AWD diesel (that would be REALLY imitating Audi), but it's the ideal BMW, IMO.

    If not, I want a 335xi two-door. Is that coming out? I hope so. The new E92 is not only a beauty, but it has a fantastic new powertrain, a surprising amount of standard features and a more exclusive feel.

    Because I'm not settling for neither a 335xi sedan nor a 328xi coupe. They just won't suffice.

    If it doesn't come out, I'll just have to get a 2007 S4 Avant to complement my Cabriolet (a year old- I'd be getting it in 2008 and don't want to spend $60,000 on a winter car). How cool would that be? Especially if it was in Sprint Blue, like what I have now!

    But there's something to mull over here. The wife might have an A8 by then, and the entire reason for getting a new winter car would be that my son takes the A3. That would leave us with four Audis. That seems a little creepy. Perhaps I'll have to get a 911, 6 Series, SL or XKR for my S4 Cabriolet replacement.

    '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Lexusguy or anyone else... my wife is interested in getting a portable GPS with Bluetooth. Got any suggestions?

    Yes. I highly recommend the Garmin Nuvi 360. I've got one that I use in Europe. It's small enough to easily fit in a pocket, and very accurate, has bluetooth, and can announce street names and addresses.

    Nuvi 360
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    If not, I want a 335xi two-door. Is that coming out? I hope so. The new E92 is not only a beauty, but it has a fantastic new powertrain, a surprising amount of standard features and a more exclusive feel.

    Currently they are only making a 328xi coupe. That might change when Audi has their S5.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You seem to misunderstand. I wouldn't care one way or another if the car was totalled out or not, this was a question about the airbags firing or not. Who cares what the status of the car is as far as being totalled or not? That has nothing to do with the conversation about safety engineering.

    You said yourself that you didn't know what makes an airbag fire and that combined with your anti most anything Mercedes stance and we're supposed to take your word on this?

    What does a salvage title have to do with wether or not the airbags fired or not? Some insurance agent/company determined this. You do realize the cost of the car involved in this accident right?

    If you don't understand basic safety engineering that isn't Mercedes/Maybach's fault. Labeling something you don't understand as excuses really isn't the best way to deal with it either.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    That place isn't far from me and I'm tempted to call or even take a ride there to find out more just out of curiosity.

    That would be very interesting if you did.

    We don't know if it was parked when this happened. A truck could have backed into it very slowly. A lot of damage can be done to a car with minimal impact depending on the exact location of the hit and the circumstances... speed, size of vehicle hitting it, angle of hit.

    This is all I was saying, but it seems to be lost on those intent to cry "defect", even when admit they don't know anything about what makes an airbag fire. Pretty amazing to me.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Doesn't really look like a Jaguar to me. Almost looks like a scaled down version of the Aston-Martin Rapide.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    There is supposed to be a 335ix sedan in the spring so maybe they'll do a coupe too.

    M
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    You do realize the cost of the car involved in this accident right?

    Yes I do. That is why it is so unusual for an insurance company to total a car of this value rather than repairing it.

    When a car is totaled, the insurance company is saying that it would take more to repair the car than the car is worth. That usually happens on cheap or older vehicles, or cars that are really squashed, not extremely expensive cars with not much apparent damage.

    The scenario that I discribed is just as plausable as yours. You have no info saying that the airbags performed as they should have. Just your bias and your opinion, for what that is worth.

    Oh yeah, MERRY CHRISTMAS!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The scenario that I discribed is just as plausable as yours. You have no info saying that the airbags performed as they should have. Just your bias and your opinion, for what that is worth.

    The difference is that I've seen this before with all cars, damage like that without airbags having gone off. This about the amount of damage and automatically assuming that the airbags should have gone off is nonsense without knowing the details of the accident. Plus I happen to grasp the concept and know what makes an airbag fire, unlike yourself by your own admission. There is reason why crash tests are done with stationary barriers and/or other vehicles at certain speeds. In short not every crash will trigger an airbag, common knowledge. You concluding that this was a defect is a clear and present thing against anything Mercedes and you know it.

    M
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    The difference is that I've seen this before with all cars, damage like that without airbags having gone off

    Even you should be able to see how silly that sounds. Are you saying you've never seen damage like this where the air bags did deploy? Well I have seen them deploy with damage like this so by your way of thinking that is the difference so I must be right.

    Cars are concieved and manufactured by people. They are mechanical marvels with thousands of parts. They are not perfect and sometimes there is a defect. The concept should not be that hard to grasp.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

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