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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The 2-mode hybrid that the article refers to is a joint effort of Chrysler, GM, and BMW. Strange bedfellows . . . but the question is which vehicles would see it first. I would be very surprised to see it show up in any Mercedes or BMW models for a while. Unless the system is rock-solid, I would expect to see it first in Chrysler's own badge and GM vehicles.

    If it does turn out to be rock-solid, then yes, it could be a good addition to the Mercedes line-up, possibly on the ML and the new upcoming C-Class first, since the E will aready be offering the diesel.

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Car and Driver did a comparo between the Gallardo and an F430 this month.
    F430 won.
    Between the two, I would take the Lambo.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Yeah, I like it. But I'll take an F360 with three pedals.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I dont like the Lambo's cut-and-paste A4 center stack. I had the exact same problem with the V12 Vanquish's Jag XK center stack. If I'm paying that much money for a car, I dont want to see mass market parts in it. Something like a vent here or a door handle there is ok I suppose, but not that kind of blatantly cheap cost cutting. The Maserati Spyder and V8 Vantage don't have Fiat or Ford center stacks, and they cost quite a bit less than the Lambo.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    lexusguy - Amazing . . . because we were just talking about that Quattroporte recently, and earlier today I saw one drive by in the neighborhood, a silver one, and I nearly twisted my neck off as my eyes were GLUED to that gorgeous vehicle. My gosh, so beautiful. It's the first one in the community that I've seen.

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I spotted this on the internet earlier, so I posted it in the Toyota Prius forum for all those Prius folks, but since I don't post there, I thought I'd also share it with the rest of you.

    Maybe it is relevent to the upcoming Lexus LS600hL!!!!!!!!!

  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Have not been feeling well.

    After reading a few posts, all I have to add is:


    Re: Post #15191. Comparing the Jetta and IS350 stylistically, calling both "Slab-sided", to meet government crash regulations is a reach, at best. I am disappointed. You know better.

    And regarding Honda's swing and a miss with the Accord Hybrid, maybe they had some faulty "Focus Clinics", maybe they thought Civic is for the frugal, and a flagship Accord Hybrid would be appropriate, and cover the extra costs.

    But problems selling cars overseas, and Europes love of the Diesel means very little to me. The US is THE market to rule! We've got the cash, and we LOVE to spend it on cars, so making America your profit center, vs. incredible competition, unlike in Europe, speaks volumes, IMHO.

  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    I came across a report yesterday that Mercedes sold almost 5000(4987) copies of the E320 CDI here in States in '05. Company target was only about 2500. So they've doubled their estimates. Now one can only wonder if M-B will cash in on our latest energy crisis and speed up delivery of the Bluetec into the U.S., which the technology is said to be ready for mass-market.

    It seems that DCX is on a roll with diesel's in this country. Jeep sold almost 11k(10,845) CDI-equipped Liberty's last year. And it fully expects to sell all they can make for '06. Now there is even word that we'll get to enjoy what Europe's been enjoying in Jeep's for years: the 3.2 CDI for the Commander and JGC.

    With gas prices as high as they are now, I fully expect DCX to completely rule the diesel passenger car market within 2-3 years in the States, with it's closest competitor being V-Dub. But they don't have nearly as many subsidiaries as DCX does in the states, or the amount of production. Sure, they'll have the usual Bettle and Jetta, but if they can't refine the awesome V-10 TDI before DCX makes their move, then they'll be left way behind.

    Boy does this feel like 1975 all over again. :P
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Land Rover should have a Bi-Turbo diesel in the US within the next two years. It will probably be a V8 although I am not sure. Rover is about to launch a new V8 Diesel in Europe to replace the old BMw TD6 they use right now and we might get a different version of that or maybe something totally different.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    I'm willing to bet that LR will make the LR3 the guinea pig to test whether or not the US is ready for a TD in a Land Rover, and later it will trickle down to the Freelander and RR(both of which have diesel variants in Europe). This will be a welcome addition to the V-6 and V-8 variants in its line up. It will more than likely be more powerful but much more frugal than it's Jag-derived V-8 powertrain. I'm also aware that they are working relentlessly to ensure 50-state compliance with this engine, which is a good thing, as NY and CA are two of the biggest car markets in the country.

    Moreover on the Blutec. I saw a cut-a-way of the internal bits of the engine on MB's website. This engine is absolutely incredible. This company has went to great lengths to make this a very flexible engine, They have ensured that the engine will be as silent as a gas motor, even through the rev range, while being absolutely smoke-free and squeeky-clean, a statement that I have no reason not to believe, judging from the awesome 3.2 CDI.
  • I am not sure why you would be surprised to see it in BMW and mercedes.

    BMW and Benz have a long history of putting liquid technology in their cars. In fact I dont remember the last time they put anything solid in their cars.

    The electric braking system, the terrible i-drive with dozens of lawsuits, the entire electrical systems.

    The air bag problems in my C230.

    I sometimes think the technology is not even liquid, it all hot-gas at times.

    But may be you and I love and forgive bmw and benz because they are sick children on steroids. I can see merc1's head exploding with anger right in front of her monitor. :P
  • I live in new jersey and I was wondering if anyone would like to race their S550 with a LS 460 which I will be able to rent in Fall (from somewhere) on a local/nearby racetrack.

    I am willing to travel up to 300 miles. I am not a pro but can give some serious run for your money.

    I want to bet at least 3000$ for going through all this trouble and do a best of three (or if you have any other ideas).

    Anyone up for it?

    I am also scouting for local MB and Lexus club members who would be interested in this. I am up for 3h, 6h and even 12h format.

    I have also noticed that 7 and S owners talk a lot on forums and in parties, but when a LS owner invites them for track time they are p....g in their pants. I am not sure what do they have to hide? ;)

    May be its the case where, when push comes to shove... :P
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Courageous of you...might you be better off waiting for the LS600hL?
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    but I saw in person for the first time the new xk convertable with it's top down. It was parked at my local watering hole. I am not usually swayed by looks as far as cars are concerned (unless it's an Aston Martin) but pictures do this car zero justice. It is stunning. The relation to Aston is obvious. Did I hear that the guy who designed those Aston's designed this new Jaguar? Anyway, unbelievable.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I am not sure why you would be surprised to see it in BMW and mercedes.

    steve, I only said I would be surprised to see it right away.

    But may be you and I love and forgive bmw and benz because they are sick children on steroids. I can see merc1's head exploding with anger right in front of her monitor.

    steve, maybe not, as I must respectfully TOTALLY disassociate myself from your above comment.

  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yes, Jag hired Ian Callum away from Aston to be their new head of design. What will be really interesting is what he does with their sedans.
  • stevekilburnstevekilburn Posts: 359
    Oh it was meant to be in lighter vein, may be I hit the jugular vein. ;)
  • stevekilburnstevekilburn Posts: 359
    Sometimes you guys get so excited upon seeing a jaguar that you forget what is in front of your car and cause accidents.

    Just drive carefully and park your car before you start admiring those lovely taurus looks.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Motor Trend has a mini review in the new issue of the S550 4 Matic. As I recall MSRP is 88K or so and it does 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. I know this may sound like I'm approaching senility and my New England relatives are rolling over in their graves, but 88K doesn't seem like a lot of money for what you get. Said better, it doesn't seem like a lot more money beyond the hum drum. A new Tahoe with nice options is 55K, a 5 Series AWD is also in the mid 50's (lets not consider a 7 Series because the last time I checked it still snowed north of the George Washington Bridge), I don't do Lexus so I can't rattle off the models but the big one is not AWD, and no loaded Audi, Saab, Volvo, etc. comes close to the S550's presence, competence, and tradition.
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