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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,874
    Apparently HP is correct. A google search on BMW maintenance intervals only lists 15,000 mile intervals for newer BMWs. So it is strictly a mileage thing. I am surprised but I like it.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    A google search on BMW maintenance intervals only lists 15,000 mile intervals for newer BMWs. So it is strictly a mileage thing. I am surprised but I like it.

    Well, as you can tell from the posts, I am also surprised. I would have expected at least some, even if long term, time-based interval.

    Maybe BMW figures that most of their owners can't resist driving their cars and thus putting on enough miles! ;)

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Merc1,

    I greatly appreciate your very informative write up about your Detroit visit.
    Now where are those photo shots you took there?

    What amazes me most Merc is not what you wrote but what you did not write. Have you not forgotten the “L” brand that was once the biggest luxury auto brand in USA? The Lincoln MKR IMO is one of the most exciting cars in this year’s auto show. With a mustang RWD chassis this “suicide door” sedan will be one exciting car indeed.

    Unlike Detroit shows of the past the true knock-out cars this year were non-HELCs. The Chevy Volt and Toyota FT-HS gets my vote. I cant think of any HELC that intrigued me in this year’s show . HELCs are leading indicators of what future mainstream cars will look like and that makes the future quite bleak. A future of radar based cruise control, self-parking, active steering , lane departure warning system…Yawn!!! If that is the future then I will definitley give up driving and ride my bicycle, take a subway or buy a motorcycle.

    The Jaguar CX-F is as interesting as the MB CLS. When Audi and a few other luxury marques introduce new sedan-coupes this Jag will no longer look as distinct as it does today.

    Your high opinion about the new X5 is shared here by many forum members. I really don’t understand why? Active steering, idrive and a ridiculous toggle gear switch ? I’ve used such a toggle swith and it made me yearn for the days when the X5 was offered with a manual tranny?(and I never was a fan of a manual X5 to begin with)
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I dont care what my BMW computer says I would never ever change my oil every 15k miles. I religiously change mine ever 5 K miles despite what my computer says.

    TLC is the secret of my long-term success of owning German cars beyond warranty periods.

    I hope to keep my current BMW for many years. Personally I prefer long-term relationships with cars and spouses. There is a British ivory tower type who agrees with me:

    John Chapman a senior lecturer at Britain's University of Brighton is one of a new breed of sustainable designers who are concerned about the waste associated with our consumer culture. "I like the term adulerous consumption" he adds. "Relating to our material possessions is parallel to the idea of adultery, of making a commitment to one thing and then quickly becoming distracted by a younger model. It's so rare now that there's anything in life we are tied to forever. Everything is temporary if we want it to be".

    SOURCE: GLOBE AND MAIL
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I dont care what my BMW computer says I would never ever change my oil every 15k miles. I religiously change mine ever 5 K miles despite what my computer says.

    TLC is the secret of my long-term success of owning German cars beyond warranty periods.


    Yes, I agree.

    When the maintenance costs are included with the deal, it's no surprise that the manufacturer would have low maintenance requirements. They save money that way.

    But, I was so surprised to see that there was no time limitations to go without service. It's not just miles that takes it's toll. Time does also.

    Anyway, keep up the good TLC on your vehicles... it makes good sense.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes. It's worth a try.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Apparently, you should never doubt me!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    between owning and leasing:

    Owning: Changing the "oil" every 5000 miles.

    Leasing: Changing the "oil" every 14000-15000 miles.

    As a leasee, I have no vested interest in doing anything beyond the minimum maintenance required.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,874
    Yes, what was I thinking??

    I should have remembered that old age, cunning, and deceit wins out over callow youth and enthusiasm every time!! :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    My mistake. Guess you win!
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Owning: Changing the "oil" every 5000 miles.
    Leasing: Changing the "oil" every 14000-15000 miles.
    As a leasee, I have no vested interest in doing anything beyond the minimum maintenance required.


    Makes good sense to me. It's all about driving the car for the smallest amount of cash flow.

    But, if BMW takes you up on your purchase offer, I expect you might service your 545 every 5,000 miles from then on... that is unless you are being "cunning and deceitful". ;)

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    One doesn't have to change synthetic oil every 5000 miles in the latest model BMWs. To do so is unnecessary. It may help the owner feel good, but the vehicles can go 15,000 miles between changes.
    Interesting that my computer has me down for 14,000 miles instead of 15,000 for the oil change. I think my burn the rubber driving may have something to do with that. :blush:
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Unfortunately the Jaguar XF concept wasn't there for public viewing, only the press days. The Ford/Lincoln concepts didn't impress me. Its pretty hard to get worked up over their concepts when they never build them. Ford needs both of those cars, but I'd be shocked if they actually brought them to production.

    Yes I like the new X5. Haven't been to a dealer to check it out though so.....

    Yes the Toyota FT-HS was a shocker, as was the Lexus LF-A. We all know Toyota is capable of building a sports car so they need to quit wasting time with concepts and bring them to a showroom immediately. Both the Lexus and the Yota would do big business IMO.

    I should have have photos up later tonight or tomorrow.

    M
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Or it is programmed to give you a little slack by alerting you a little ahead of time.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Its pretty hard to get worked up over their concepts when they never build them.

    Yeah, you'd think they would be smarter than that, but they have proved otherwise for too many years.

    Even if GM or Ford built one, they'd no doubt skimp on the necessary things to make it a true success. Remember the Fiero with it's low strangling budget? They shot themselves in the foot.

    Yes the Toyota FT-HS was a shocker...

    Indeed. I posted earlier on that. It is a car to watch out for, IMO. An instant success, if there ever was one.

    Toyota, apparently went against its own grain with the FJ Cruiser concept and went ahead and built it anyway, only to prove once again that it sometimes does indeed make sense to build a concept vehicle.

    Looking forward to your pics!

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Even if GM or Ford built one, they'd no doubt skimp on the necessary things to make it a true success.

    Let's not forget the Plymouth Prowler, Chevy SSR, and the briefly revived Ford Thunderbird. All duds that could've done very well if properly executed.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,874
    I was always including myself in the old and deceitful category so we both win.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    All duds that could've done very well if properly executed.

    Exactly... "IF".

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    One doesn't have to change synthetic oil every 5000 miles in the latest model BMWs. To do so is unnecessary. It may help the owner feel good, but the vehicles can go 15,000 miles between changes.

    I agree 100 percent with you about leasing and oil changes. If I leased a car I wouldn't waste my time with unschedule oil changes.

    BUT I dont agree with your above statement that unschedules oil changes are unnecessary ? It all depends on how you drive--and we all know about BMW drivers dont we? And even if the oil is fine the filter may not be fine at all. I've been told that the frequency of oil changes will affect the wear on bearings, cams and valve components. The longetivity of any car is dependent on the frequency of oil/filter changes(BMWs or non-BMWs)

    The BMW company line of course is different. Why? Here is an interesting POV:

    Prior to Free Scheduled Maintenance, you couldn’t change engine oil often enough according to most dealerships. And when the car was in the shop it would often be due for this service or that inspection, all at the owner’s expense.

    But once BMW began paying for scheduled maintenance, lo and behold the “schedule” was revised. Now, magically, the cars hardly need any maintenance at all! The 1,200-mile break-in service was done away with except for M cars. Engine oil suddenly lasts 15,000 miles (dealers are supposed to use BMW synthetic oil). Manual gearbox and differential oil? No worries there – now BMW says they NEVER need to be changed, it’s “lifetime fill.” Brake fluid and coolant service intervals were doubled with no change in the original BMW brake fluid and anti-freeze dealers are supposed to use.

    So, is Free Scheduled Maintenance all about marketing and cost reduction – BMW’s costs? Draw your own conclusions. There is no doubt that many buyers incorrectly view BMWs as “high maintenance” cars. Nothing can address that more effectively than Free Scheduled Maintenance. But the operative word in the name is “scheduled.” In my opinion, extended service intervals and “lifetime fill” came very close on the heels of Free Scheduled Maintenance.

    This is an alternative to BMW’s factory-recommended maintenance schedule. It is not, “Mike Miller’s maintenance schedule.” It is actually BMW’s maintenance schedule, more or less, which was used prior to Free Scheduled Maintenance. It also represents my opinion, based upon my experience and that of my readers, tech advisors, and professional BMW technicians both dealer and independent. I have prepared it because of the large number of readers asking for this information. The fact that my opinions may differ from those of others does not mean anyone is necessarily right or wrong. You will get a different answer from every person you ask about routine vehicle maintenance.


    LINK: OIL CHANGES
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah, you'd think they would be smarter than that, but they have proved otherwise for too many years.

    Even if GM or Ford built one, they'd no doubt skimp on the necessary things to make it a true success. Remember the Fiero with it's low strangling budget? They shot themselves in the foot.


    True, but I actually see more hope for GM than Chrysler and more for Chrysler than Ford. The re-beaked 500 is going to be a dismal failure like the current car a blandmobile.

    Toyota, apparently went against its own grain with the FJ Cruiser concept and went ahead and built it anyway, only to prove once again that it sometimes does indeed make sense to build a concept vehicle.

    Yeah I forgot about that one. It came to the showroom very close to concept form. I still think they're going have to tone down both of those sports car concept before production, especially the front end of the FT-HS.

    I really hate that I didn't get to see the Jaguar XF concept in person though.

    M
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Under BMW's free maintenance program it seems one can bring the vehicle in for more frequent oil changes. I did it once with one of my 3 Series vehicles and they didn't charge me even though the oil change was "unscheduled."
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,874
    Yeah, I figured as much but didn't know exactly how to say it. Good info. Thanks for sharing.

    Is the same schedule used for BMW owners?

    Most mfgs. and dealers are still on the old 3 months or 3,000 miles bandwagon. With free scheduled maintenance I wonder how fast it would take them to change their tune.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    did it once with one of my 3 Series vehicles and they didn't charge me even though the oil change was "unscheduled."

    Your dealership respects their customers. But by the time I do my tenth unscheduled free oil change at my dealership they will start treating me like Rodney Dangerfield.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Based on my understanding most BMW owners and lessees follow the BMW schedule.

    The reason BMW provides one of the best warranty coverages in the industry is by short-changing post-warranty owners. The lack of fluid changes during a BMW warranty is defenitely hazardous for the long-term health of any car.

    Personally I prefer the warranty coverage of other manufacturers since such coverage motivates car owners/lessees to service their cars more.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    the BMW service manager today. Was told that one can bring in the vehicle every 12 months for an oil change if the 15k mileage interval hasn't been achieved. The only problem with that is the next service interval computer data will not be reset under 14k miles. One would have to make a separate trip back to the dealer at 14k-15k miles to have that done.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The lack of fluid changes during a BMW warranty is defenitely hazardous for the long-term health of any car.

    So, which manufacturer will get the more loyal customer that will return for more?

    1). Car #1 with short life span, and a blast to drive.

    2.) Car #2 with a long life span, and boring to drive.

    If they are both going to get return customers, #1 for the fun, and #2 for the long life, then it stands to reason that manufacturer #1 is going to make more money, as cars are exchanged for new ones much sooner.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    one can bring in the vehicle every 12 months for an oil change if the 15k mileage interval hasn't been achieved. The only problem with that is the next service interval computer data will not be reset under 14k miles. One would have to make a separate trip back to the dealer at 15k miles to have that done.

    If one were driving in the range of 7,500 miles a year, then that would be a darned good program, IMO.

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Exactly!

    However, one only finds out about this by asking.
    It is not written anywhere.
    I wonder why BMW doesn't want the folks to know about this? ;)
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I wonder why BMW doesn't want the folks to know about this?

    LOL. Yeah I wonder. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :)

    TagMan
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    If too many folks actually took advantage of this, I have a feeling the BMW free maintenance program would be modified.
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