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  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    "Roughly $50k US, after exchange rate".????????????

    Try $64 US with no options. May want to find another calculator
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    are being posted in invisible ink.

    Again - high end cars and high end car subjects are the topic. The personally directed posts have no place here.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    1) A8 can indeed garner high double digit growth for a few years; many other models from other manufacturers did the same thing. High per centage growth is easy when the base is small.

    Is that so? Show me a HELC in Mainland China with the phenemonal volume and sales growth of the Audi A8? 75 percent growth for the A8 is amazing for this emerging market and there are no ifs and buts about it!

    Audi is the market leader by some distance in the Chinese premium segment, and it is the fastest-growing premium brand,” states Ralph Weyler, Board Member for Marketing and Sales at Audi.

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    2) These cars are not usually bought by "hard working affluent individuals."

    BUNK! My wife's brothers are all business owners in China and are making a fist load of money. They dont have to rely on bribes for a livelihood. Your bureaucratic Maoist conception of China is dated by a few decades.

    You want proof. Please note the following paragraph from Businessweek. Businessmen not Bureaucrats are mentioned as Rolls Royce owners.

    , guess what? Rolls-Royce's sales are up 50% this year, about double the pace of China's overall luxury segment. China is now Roll-Royce's third biggest market after the U.S. and Britain, and the company's fastest growing one. A big reason is the rapid wealth accumulation in rich coastal markets such as Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen, where newly rich businessmen are buying Phantoms loaded with expensive extras to get around town in style.

    And I repeat most HELCs especially A8s in Mainland China are driven mainly by successful businessmen not bureaucrats. As in the case with Rolls Royces.

    Also there is nothing wrong with being a high paid bureaucrat with a nice car as there is nothing wrong with a US executive with company cars. You make all government employed people sound like riff raff and rabble. In fact there are quite a few self indulgent corrupt types in the corporate world too. ( In USA and China)
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Why would anyone build a great car like this and then put in "overboosted power steering with no feel and no feedback"?

    As time goes, there will be many reviews of this great car, the Audi R8. Initially, most all reviews are almost stellar. This must be one incredible car. However, it will never be perfect, as no car can be... and there will always be those that find different things to nit-pick about.

    The general consensus is what I like to go by. The vast majority, in other words. So, after many more reviews are done, we'll have a darned clear picture of what the Audi R8 is really about. So far, it's a phenomenal car.

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Thank you, Porsche!!!... I'm having a blast!

    There are hopeful signs of a future Porsche in my case. Porsche Canada will reduce prices of various models by 3 percent to reflect the strengths of the Canadian dollars.

    That is music to my ears.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Where oh where are the reviews that claim that a LS is a driver's delight?

    The fact that there are almost as many gadgets in the back seat as the front tells you the Lexus LS460 was made for the chauffeur-driven segment of our society.

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,898
    Well I see you have managed to trot out another European review of the LS. Keep looking and just maybe you can find one from...China...Land of the Audi. China can have em. They are obviously not wanted in the good ol' U.S.A.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    China can have em. They are obviously not wanted in the good ol' U.S.A.

    You do realize that this is a country where the #1 and #2 sellers are pick-up trucks, and #3 is the Toyota Camry. The average American could really care less about accelerating, or braking, or cornering, or styling. We're not the land of great taste in automobiles.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    We have come to the conclusion that Dr.Fill can still cause such a rift among the peaceful and usually cordial posters on this thread.

    So let's try as we might and put this Audi V. The World thing to rest.

    VW/Audi and GM owns the Chinese market, and are ever so prevelant in the next door neighbors streets, Japan. With that said, and with the Chinese market on the move to become #1 by decade's end/'11, they really do matter.

    The A8 is one of the nicest vehicle that are on the marketplace as of now. It's not the best in class(the new S-Class owns that title), but judging from it's new Pacific-esque competitor, it's still got it.

    Some claim to be a "numbers guru", claiming that "I have all of the numbers of China", WHATEVER. The fact of the matter is there is one HELC that is indigenous to that area of the world that is mysteriously absent, wonder what it could that be? At least the Audi does very well in it's homeland.

    Out of the repect for our wonderful HOST, and for the respect of everyday posters and potential ones, can we please end this "I hate Audi" debate once and for all.

    BTW: I will be receiving a fully opted XJR by March 30th. That's right, I finally did it. Many restless nights fighting over the MB and Jag. But the deal was much sweeter with the XJR.
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    was the winding road piece of interest to you, or anybody else for that matter?

    Sorry to beat a dead horse, but man that engine sounds unbelievable. I know, I know, as do most exotics.
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    Sorry Blkhemi, congrats on your new ride. The new Jag is certainly beautiful, just like those Aston's :P

    Sorry I get so distasteful everyone, but I've never been one to run from a fight. I rather enjoy it you might say.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    There are hopeful signs of a future Porsche in my case.

    I certainly hope so... but just imagine that difficult choice between the 335i and the Porsche. Heck that's a lot of fun for one person to handle!

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    blkhemi,
    My friend, you posted XJR twice! Surely you meant to say X K R ?!?!?!?

    Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In this case, the key word is "gorgeous". :)

    BTW, if you check every one of my posts regarding Audi, you should find yourself very pleased indeed. I could not have been more supportive.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    was the winding road piece of interest to you, or anybody else for that matter?

    Absolutely. Sorry I didn't thank you for the post. I'm not sure if your link works or not, since I already get the on-line magazine.

    I definately got an adrenaline rush watching that video. The article mentions that this will be one of the first cars to get absolutely no speed limiter at all, estimating the top speed at I believe 187 mph.

    With the initial engine, the 0-60 time is estimated at 4.5 if I remember correctly. Some of the the photos are very nice, and the night shots are particularly flattering.

    The cockpit at night is terrific. It happens to be one of the things that I always love in a car... a good-looking night display... and the R8 has a good one, if that photo is any indication.

    Anyway, thanks again.

    TagMan
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,898
    The top sellers here being pick-ups is easy to understand. Work trucks, farm trucks, etc. People have to make a living first and foremost. Nothing wrong with that.

    When it comes to HELCs though, Audi will not only have to shake its image as being unreliable, but will have to become almost bullet proof, like Lexus, before gaining wide acceptance here. That is a very tall order.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Audi will not only have to shake its image as being unreliable, but will have to become almost bullet proof, like Lexus, before gaining wide acceptance here.

    There is momentum here in Audi's favor. Styling and image are also HUGE factors in the HELC segment. Reliability is important, but not supreme.

    The Audi styling is becoming more and more accepted in the HELC segment and other segments as well. The adoption of the similar look by VW is helpful, not hurtful, as it makes the look more mainstream and acceptable.

    The upcoming R8 will practically be a halo supercar with a giveaway price tag. It will receive astonishing reviews that will further bolster Audi's image. The S8 will also help. A new A8 will be out in 2008. I was surprised at the robust activity surrounding the Audi cars at the International Auto show on the west coast during Thanksgiving.

    There are quite a few Audi vehicles being driven out here in my neck of the woods... and I'm seeing more and more as time goes by.

    They are definately on a roll. I don't see the tall order that you do. I think they are absolutley going to pull it off, and are already in the process of doing so.

    As I told the Doc, just keep watching the sales data... this is just the beginning. It's going to keep getting better and better for many years to come.

    TagMan
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    Although I enjoy Drfill`s opinions and writing skills, sometimes I just read them and move on...Of all the Lexus cars I have owned, they were (and I stress the word `were`) value. I never had any passion about them or pride of ownership...Just reliable transportation....Now the Audi is the value, and I have, even after a year, pride of ownership....When I am down here in s.Florida, just on the floor I park, there are three Bentleys, two RR two new S Mercedes, three Bentley Continentals (one new convertable), , three Porsche- and a variety of bmw s..Of course there is my Audi and two other smaller Audis....My parking place is the best one though :)...For some reason ther isn`t one Lexus -new or old--which I find sort of strange.I know Lexus is strong in most other areas, but not down here....I do agree with the good Dr. on Audi marketing...It is poor, but the car I own is a wonderful car...I think Audi is trying to get their act together, but they have a ways to go...Blk has certainly enjoyed his Audis, as you have enjoyed your bmw.....I sort of feel you enjoy your car more than any of us except maybe Tag and his new Porsche....I personally am sorry the USA manufacturers abandoned the high end, and hope they make another stab at it when they are finacially able to...There would be no worse financial situation than to own a high end car and the manufacturer go broke..I think Tag is right about the Lexus 600 and the risk...I also think just on a finacial side that Toyota would be a good investment, particularly thirty points ago....I also just can`t imagine you happy in a different brand of car...BMW all the way... Tony
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    I stand corrected, the XKR will be in my driveway sometime this spring.

    Very appreciative of you, LG, HP, Dewey, DH and others that backed me up on the Audi conundrum.

    We do really know what's going on.
  • VW/Audi and GM owns the Chinese market, and are ever so prevelant in the next door neighbors streets, Japan. With that said, and with the Chinese market on the move to become #1 by decade's end/'11, they really do matter.

    Well but you fail to mention that VW entered the Chinese market 10 year before anyone else. Their market share now is less than half of that in 10 years ago.

    Not unlike of what happen in the United States. 30~40 years ago, VW was more than 50% in the import market share. And they now sell as much as Subaru.

    Toyota is just being conservative. They officially entered China in 2005 (about 20 years later than VW) and will slowly, but steadily, kick VW's @ss.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "My parking place is the best one."

    Sounds like you are doing the condo life in Florida, Tony. And a quite nice neighborhood at that! :)

    I agree about the poor marketing job Audi has done in the USA. One can argue that folks here don't buy Audis because of the scarcity of Audi dealerships where one sees BMW, Mercedes Benz, BMW and Porsche showrooms, but I see that as a reflection that the demand isn't there yet.

    Now is the time for Audi to make an all-out aggressive push in USA media advertising so folks here can learn what the rest of the world already knows-that Audi vehicles are on a par with those from Mercedes Benz and BMW. The time for Audi is now!

    Yes. I do get a thrill out of the 545. However, it is not a good local street driver. Its powerful engine occasionally wants to spurt the car forward in local driving which I find annoying and the brakes while excellent in stopping power cannot be modulated to a nice smooth stop.

    Your A8 is at least the equal of the S-Class, IMO and when I sat in both, I was more impressed with the A8's interior and seats.

    My short sale of Toyota is working out nicely Tony, as the stock price was down almost 3% today. :blush:
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I stand corrected, the XKR will be in my driveway sometime this spring.

    Well done my friend! You made the right choice :) Considering FoMoCo's horrible losses in '06, its hard to say where Jag will be 7 years from now when its time for the next XK, but this one is the best two-door Jag since the XKE. You won't regret it.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Hmm, because the only comparison I can remember of the four, the GS was last. I don't remember if it was MT or C&D, but they didn't like it.

    There was a C&D comparo in which it came in second to the 540i and they said that it was basically a coin toss. I'm sure DrFill will point this out.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The Audi styling is becoming more and more accepted in the HELC segment and other segments as well. The adoption of the similar look by VW is helpful, not hurtful, as it makes the look more mainstream and acceptable.

    Generally I agree with what you post, but I disagree here. Part of Audi's problem in the U.S. is this image of being an "expensive" or "tarted-up" VW so VW adopting a similar look is very hurtful IMO. VW trying to sell luxury cars and suvs while adopting a similar look on cars like the Jetta and Passat did Audi no favors. An Audi and a VW shouldn't look anything alike. Audi had it right, but VW followed and kinda mucked it up with their Audish grilles on the Jetta, Passat, Rabbit and the facelifted Touareg.

    M
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    An XKR!

    Congratulations you made a great choice!
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I agree with what you are saying.

    But unfortunately what you are saying about VW/Audi is an industry trend . We already do know the similarity in looks between a Toyota Camry and a Lexus LS. But did you notice the similarity in looks between the upcoming Altima Coupe and the Infinti GS Coupe?

    This issue is a non-issue at BMW. That is why I like BMWs.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    As both C&D and MT were enamored with the first generation.

    MT said it was the best in 1998, C&D gave it the Roy Jones Jr in Seoul treatment, and allowed the 540 to slither away, bloody and battered, with a close victory.

    I personally don't believe VW is necessarily Audi's problem. Most buyers don't see the VW/Audi connection, except for us "enthusiasts".

    Audi's problem is cultivation, resale, quality, and the unintended acceleration thing.

    It's always been just here, no real growth, weak advertising, no identity (Quattro is a feature, not an identity), and nothing has happened to make the US forget about 1985. It's quality has been nothing to write home about, and it's resale reflects it's lack of market penetration.

    The halo cars, if you will, Audi TT, R8, are an acquired taste. And the Q7 is too little,too late to make the SUV party.

    Audi is not a well-thought out concept. It's the eccentric artist of the luxury class. An acquired taste. And marketing is pretty important. Audi doesn't really have great word of mouth, so they have to sell the idea, and apparently they can't do that.

    And I'm far too busy to help them, so..... :cry:

    DrFill
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    DrFill,

    your liveliness does perk up the atmosphere here in the very same way that 60 Minutes improved the liveliness of creative news reporting with that "Audi Unintended Acceleration Story" during the 1980s.

    The fact that you would even bring up this two decades old BOGUS REPORT from 60 Minutes shows just how distorted an image you have of Audi. This report was unsubstantiated back when Roger Moore played James Bond and Ronald Reagan resided in the White House. I guess it must be very hard to find dirt about Audi when you have to look at such old archived new stories to prove your point.

    The reality is that in our globalized world today Audi is superior to Lexus not only in terms of their products but also in terms of their sales. With or without dated bogus unintended acceleration reports :P

    When the new A8 arrives expect many raised eyebrows and long waiting lists at Audi dealerships.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    We have come to the conclusion that Dr.Fill can still cause such a rift among the peaceful and usually cordial posters on this thread.

    So let's try as we might and put this Audi V. The World thing to rest.


    To err is human.....

    That bonehead Audi exec started this. I just pointed out how particularly wrong he was, so shooting the messenger does you no good.

    As far as this Audi thing goes, I don't see it happening. The A3 is no big deal (rather get a MazdaSpeed3). The Q7 has fallen on it's face. And the R8 looks like roadkill.

    But the A5 at least will have a stick. So, Audi keeps fighting.

    Reminds me of a famous quote from my youth: "A Bundy never wins, but a Bundy never quits. No....isn't it a Bundy never learns? No, it's a Bundy never cares. No! It's a Bundy never dies....."

    When it comes to Lexus, Audi should remain silent. I only stopped by to set it straight. Those who live in glass houses......

    I forgive you. :)

    DrFill
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Missed the point again, eh?

    The point is, that "image" is not "mine". It is Audi's. If I remember it, and I didn't know what an Audi was before that happened, many others remember it as well.

    For many in this country, that was our introduction to Audi. Hell of a first impression! :sick:

    And while Lexus was reinventing the luxury car, building itself a wing at the Player's Mansion, Audi was toiling in self-pity, building utterly forgettable vehicles, locking down 2nd-tier status in this country for all eternity.

    That's all I'm sayin'. No need to get snooty about it. :confuse:

    DrFill
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The Audi R8 strengths are going to trickle upwards to the Lambo Gallardo. Second rate Audi self pity you say, HUHHH!!!

    Take off those rose-tinted Lexus glasses of yours and read the following (the truth may hurt but read it anyways):

    Audi R8 "advanced mechanicals" to be implemented in Lamborghini Gallardo

    Usually when you talk about new technology and novel innovations in the automotive industry, it is the higher-end model from the higher-end brand name that gets the new stuff first, and then it eventually finds its way among the more common stock. This was true of ABS, airbags, variable valve timing, and so many other goodies that we take for granted nowadays. It seems that things are heading in the reverse direction with the Audi R8 supercar, and the Lamborghini Gallardo. A "trickle-up" effect is set to take place wherein the "advanced mechanicals" from the former may soon find their way into the Italian arms of the latter. I'm not saying that Audi is low end, but you have to admit that Lamborghini is decidedly high end.

    Some people were concerned that the Audi R8 may cannibalize the sales of the Gallardo. After all, they have the same underpinnings and the same target demographic. The R8 comes with some refreshed suspension components, however, as well as a slightly tweaked engine. With the "sharing" of these new elements, the sisters cars are going to look more and more like twins. That said, the next Gallardo -- set to be reworked next year -- should be in the 550 horsepower range. I'd be happy with either. Audi? Lamborghini? Want to send me one as a "press bonus"?


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