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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I like it, I think it looks classy and ultra-modern. In comparison, the Continental GT's center stack doesn't look much different from the Phaeton's, and some of its buttons are so bad even Lexus wouldn't use them. It looks bargain basement compared to the CL.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    the Continental GT's center stack doesn't look much different from the Phaeton's, and some of its buttons are so bad even Lexus wouldn't use them. It looks bargain basement compared to the CL.

    Really? I kind of like the look. When I sat in one recently, I never once got a bargain basement impression. It was all black with a dark wood, and it looked very elegant and upscale... traditional and classic in appearance as compared to, say, ultra-modern or contemporary. I saw nothing cheap about the quality of the knobs and switches, either, just that more traditional style, that's all... appropriate, IMO, for a car like this.

    Here's two interior pics of the Bentley Continental GT... neither one is like the one I saw, which I liked better than these, but these do give the overall idea:

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    By contrast, look at the sleek, contemporary look of the CL... very nice and appropriate for such a sleek coupe.

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    IMO, both interiors fit their respective cars. Would love to own either one, which ain't gonna happen.

    TagMan
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    ...the Continental GT's center stack doesn't look much different from the Phaeton's...

    Hmm, that's just not accurate.

    ...and some of its buttons are so bad even Lexus wouldn't use them. It looks bargain basement compared to the CL.

    Well I think you're focusing on materials again. I'm considering the form and only the form. I have no problem criticizing material quality but it's kind of like criticizing a sand sculpture because it wasn't made out of marble. To me, most of the the art is in the sculpture.

    One more analogy for the CL centerstack... it has the bearing of a window air conditioner. At least the latter has pure functional value. I struggle to find aesthetic value in vents, yet they chose to make them the focal point, framing that small analog clock in a most curious, unbalanced manner.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    Was it 11? For some reason I thought it was 8. I don't know, I just think Veyron is at a point with it's specs that will not be exceeded. It's gotta end somewhere. Will be interesting to watch. I find those auctions entertaining even though garage queens are not my thing.

    There may only be 8 left now.

    Saleen is near completing an S7R that supposedly is going to trounce the Veyron's numbers. But Bugatti is working on a 272MPH Veyron. Fifteen years from now, someone will have released a 300MPH street car! :surprise: That's Top Fuel dragster territory, albeit not nearly attaining that speed as quickly! :blush:

    I'm with ya on the garage queens, though. I have much more respect for the guys that DRIVE their classics. Jay Leno is my hero! :)
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    ... I never cared for Cage as an actor.

    Raising Arizona was one of his best works. A hilarious movie, IMO. :D
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,894
    Yes, the vents seem entirely out of place and they completely overwhelm the rest of the dash. Maybe if they were't so bright? I like the GT.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    Saw one today, unfortunately parked next to my car, with the top down--It was white with ,I think, light maple, and a cream interior....Words just can`t describe how good looking it is....Truly I wouldn`t want one as I`m just not there as I would be worried about a dent, but I sure think it is an elegant car....Tony
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Yeah, Tony, you are right... the Bentley and its interior are really gorgeous in person. Pics don't do it justice.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    On the pic of the CL that I posted, please notice the buttons below those obvious center vents. Those buttons are more pronounced and 3-dimensional in person and balance out the center vents somewhat. I agree, however that the vents are a bit too much of a focal point, but in person there is so much else going on, they become less significant.

    Overall, IMO, the vents are not a deal killer and the interior is still sleek and contemporary... and, fortunately, the interior goes with a truly beautiful car!

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Coming off its thirteenth year
    of consecutive sales increases, Mercedes-Benz USA (MBUSA) today reported
    sales of 17,069 new vehicles for January 2007, up 36.9 percent from last
    January making this the best January sales in the company's history.
    In 2006, Mercedes-Benz significantly enhanced its competitive presence
    in the luxury light truck market with the launch of the full-sized luxury
    SUV: the GL-Class, which sold 1,815 units in January. The popularity of the
    M-Class model line continued to build with a 19.8 percent increase compared
    to last January (2,351 vs. 1,962). As a group, sales for Mercedes-Benz
    vehicles in the luxury light truck segment continue to gain momentum with
    an 82.8 percent increase over January 2006.
    Other highlights for MBUSA sales in January include a 24 percent
    increase in its portfolio of passenger cars (12,058 vs. 9,728). Volume for
    the month was led by the C-Class with 3,928 units sold, a 26.8 percent
    increase over last January's 3,098 units. Sales for the E-Class family of
    sedans and wagons, including those with the new clean diesel technology
    called BlueTec, grew by 36.9 percent
    with 3,375 models sold.
    As a group, model lines at the high-end of the Mercedes-Benz portfolio
    -- S-, SL-, and CL-Classes -- rose 78.1 percent (2,705 vs. 1,519 units) in
    January. Contributing to this was the popularity of the top-of-the-line CL
    coupe which was introduced in December (up 279.4 percent) and the continued
    demand for the ninth generation S-Class (up 125.1 percent)
    .


    Here's the actual press release which has further info and model beakdowns:

    link title

    Congratulations to Mercedes Benz!!

    So, where is the "doom" for Mercedes that we heard some speak of? ;)

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Interesting.

    link title

    TagMan
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    But this is much more interesting:

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=119408?tid=edmund- - - - - s.il.home.photopanel..1.*

    Sounded like someone was mighty impressed. ;)

    They all but said "This car is bad-a$$!". I think I know where to file my C&D subscription. :blush:

    DrFill
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Raising Arizona was one of his best works. A hilarious movie, IMO.

    That was like 15 years ago. Is this guy the new John Travolta?

    DrFill
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    And this underwhelming post of Edmunds giving the uninspiring LS yet another chance is supposed to be superior to Tag's post?

    I think Louie buying a car company is of more interest.
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    Oh, I think the CL interior is sumptuous. I don't really remember what louvers you're speaking of, however.

    What do you think of the LS460 interior? I think it's a mess of buttons and plastic. Lexus should've done more to differentiate its interior from lesser sedans. Get a navi in an IS and you just have a minimized version.

    On the other hand, A8, S-Class and 7 Series all look much better than their less-expensive cousins on the inside.

    '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Why is a reasonably decent write-up on a Lexus LS such a huge deal to you? I would think you would have expected a mostly positive review with the same old complaints about grabby brakes and a horrendous 136 ft stopping distance.

    What's the big deal?

    TagMan
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Tara Conner, 21, reigning Miss USA

    "I didn't think I had an issue -- but I was willing to do anything to save my job. ... I've realized that I suffer from the disease of alcoholism and addiction,"

    Now, She's itching to return to her Miss USA duties.

    Alcohol, though, was her biggest vice.

    "I'm an alcoholic.

    "Cocaine was one of the drugs that I did use," she says.

    Her mother, Brenda Johnson, tells the magazine that Conner once showed up to school drunk when she was 14.

    Oops! Those are not offical Miss USA "activies".

    Now, She's itching to return to her Miss USA duties.

    "I just can't wait to get back to work -- 'I'm Miss USA, my name is Tara Conner, and I'm happy to meet you,' you know? Life is good."

    "And in conclusion, all I can say is I'm Miss USA, and you're not! And I might've done anything so that Donald, I mean "Big Daddy", would let me keep my job...":P

    That last part might not be a direct quote....put that last one on my tab....

    DrFill
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    "The same old complaints." LOL!!
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Nothing of note was mentioned:

    Faster than the S550 and 750i.

    Beautifully damped ride motions.

    Feels sportier at higher speeds.

    Better slalom, SWB and LWB, than 750i.

    Suitably rich interior.

    Expect just as much performance as coddling.

    Might get better braking with Touring Pkg.

    Get the Parking Assist! Worth the $700.


    Same old stuff indeed! Sweet! ;)

    I love the taste of "Vindication Pie". Delicious! I'd offer you some, but....uh....no! You can't get none!

    I'd rather ramble, than stumble, my friend. :P

    DrFill
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    gladly give up most of that superficial fluff stuff in exchange for the priceless peace of mind in having excellent brakes, such as the extraordinary stopping power one finds in the BMW 7 and Audi A8, for example. :)
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Yes. Objective issues matter.

    Quicker to 60 than the S550 is an objective and legitimate feather in the LS cap, if it is true by the final concensus of reviews. I would give you that without any spin.

    The rest is subjective material.

    The brakes, well they are objective material, and they ain't no good.

    TagMan
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    It should brake better.

    Solution: Make it as slow as the Mercedes, then you wouldn't need so much braking force.

    And bring the handling down to BMW-levels, while you're at it (just don't get the Touring Pkg. if you want to do either). ;)

    We wouldn't want it to do everything better. That would be overkill. :(

    DrFill
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Nope. That would be a superb vehicle. :P
  • Rather than get into semantics, let's just accept Edmunds' criteria and try to not over-analyze it. The MSRP plus "real-life" typical add-ons is the point.

    $59k is allowed in for the simple reason that mfrs and retailers love those $99.99 price points. Base MSRP at $53k and $55k however are a far cry from $60k. What you consider "real-life typical add-ons" may not be either real-life or typical for others. That's why Edmunds made it explicitly clear that just because a car can be optioned up to over $60k, it does not belong to HELC if the base MSRP is substantially below $60k.

    GL's claim to top SUV offering is also iffy. It shares platform with M and R. MB's top offering used to be the "G Wagon" It's stopped for this year, so M/R/GL platform triplets is the only MB SUV here. If Lexus paused the LX for a year, are we to automaticly include GX in HELC? Likewise if LS/S/7 skipped a model year, should GS/E/5 come in?
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Yes.

    That would be an LS460L with Touring Pkg.

    I agree with you. ;)

    DrFill
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    we should probably agree to disagree. Two immovable objects.

    And that's perfectly okay! Your point of view is needed here. I will always defend your right to say whatever it is you are attempting to say.

    Fair and balanced. :shades:
  • So, where is the "doom" for Mercedes that we heard some speak of?

    What per centage of that 17,069 "sales" booked in January were actual sales? How many of them will have to come back in 24-36 months on MB's dough? When a vendor embarks on a campaign of vendor financing, it will have to constantly increase sales volume. It's a treadmill that he can not afford to get off.
  • Brightness, I'm no fan of MB (actually, I like the cars but don't think much of the typical MB owner) but the data that Tagman presented are impressive. Moreover, I see as a huge plus not a negative that some of MB "sales" are actually leases wherein the customer has to come back in 24 to 36 months. Yes, there is as you say a treadmill. But for the driver, not the manufacturer. The manufacturer designed it this way and it benefits them. Now if the leases are hugely factory subsidized ( you didn't give us any proof) putting customers in leases isn't an unalloyed blessing but it is a good step to getting them back in the door in 24 months.

    Let's not forget that the goal of a successful business is to have repeat customers, not necessarily happy or even satisfied customers. Razors and razor blades, construction equipment and replacement parts, and the illegal drug business are all good examples of the benefits that accrue to the business when the customer is forced to return time and time again. Incidentally, the lack of repeat sales is in a nutshell is why airlines are broke and consumer electronics chains come and go.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    It should brake better.

    Solution: Make it as slow as the Mercedes, then you wouldn't need so much braking force.


    C,mon Doc. You're throwing out sarcasm when you have no need. You've got yourself an overall decent review, with respectable 0-60 times, but pitiful braking. OK... it is what it is.

    Now, all of a sudden the Mercedes is slow?

    The solution is better brakes for the LS, it's that simple.

    TagMan
  • I absolutely agree with you that creating repeating customer is a great way to success, assuming the cost of acquiring such customers is negligible. There is really no magic in convincing customers to lease instead of buying: the manufacturer has to offer better deals than what an honest bank in the business of making money is willing to offer. In other words, the "sale" becomes diluted by financial subsidies. A couple years ago, GM and Ford were experiencing dramatic sales increases when they offered enormous financial subsidies. Look at where they are now. IMHO, therein lies the danger with financial engineering goosing sales numbers in the short term. The consumer is not the only way stepping onto the treadmill when the mfr engages in financial engineering: in order to close the book 24-36 months from today, the price gap between actual auction value of returned vehicles and "residual" will have to be written down, and that affects the company bottom line. In order to absorb that hit, more "sales" will have to be written up at that time.
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