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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    Maybe, just maybe, if they had tested the vehicles the way you did, they'd have seen things differently

    Uh, I believe that was my line to you earlier!

    You remind me of the old joke about the guy who said he was not a doctor, but he played one on tv. In this case you could say, well I didn't really drive the LS but I read a review or two and might have even sat in one.;)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I agree! Goes that way for all technology. Can't keep up with the innovations! With that mindset, none of us would have a computer. We'd all be waiting!

    This is the reason why I will not sign on for longer than a 2 year lease! Wish I could do one year. That would be terrific!

    I hope my next vehicle has the twin-turbo/diesel combo! It has to be here by summer of 2008! I'll be watching! :shades:
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    houdini,
    There is ZERO indication that the LS provides driving dynamics that seriously connect the driver to the road, and there is 100% indication that the LS isolates the driver from the road and his environment, providing a rolling sanctuary of peace and quiet. That's fine if you want that.

    Do you somehow believe that when I finally do drive it, I will say something different than practically everyone in the world has already said?

    Yes, I agree with you that I would get more exposure to the genuine nature of the drive, but I have not commented on those subtleties, because to do so I would have to drive it. So, I have not made any comments that are beyond what I already know about the vehicle... including my opinion, which is that I don't like the way it looks inside or out!

    When I do finally drive it, i'll let you know the result... I'm sure you will be shocked at the answer.

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I remember driving in Montana many years ago and I was impressed by the lack of speed limits on their highways(if there were speed limits I was not aware of them) . My enjoyment immediately disappeared as I passed the Canadian border and was on the lookout for patrol cars.

    The story of Montana's no speed limits is as follows:

    "From December 8, 1995 to May 28, 1999 Montana's daytime automobile speed limits were "reasonable and prudent", according to interpretation by Highway Patrol officers. Fines were increased and motorists were advised to drive carefully according to existing weather and road conditions. American speed enthusiasts were delighted and the state's Interstate highways got a reputation as the Montanabahn. Congress was not amused, and neither were many Montana residents. With a little help in potential Federal funding restrictions, speed limits were restored. Montana's maximum speed limit is now 75 MPH on the Interstates"
  • Just to clarify, at least according to Edmunds, the LS 460 has better acceleration than S550 and BMW 750i.

    I don't know which MBZ dealer you went to, but MBZ dealers have the worst reputation for bait and switch. My boss, who does have a S550, was treated the bait and switch. Another co-worker of mine, who has a SL 550, was treated a bait and switch. Myself, I have an E350, was treated bait and switch. When they told me they gave me the rate of a C230, I told them to give my #@(* check back. They of course went back for 5 minutes and honored the first deal....

    I do have to say, I never did experience the legendary customer service from Lexus. As a matter of fact, Lexus reps were so arrogant, and told me that I pretty much have to take whatever they have... that's after waiting for about 30 minutes to get anyone to talk to me.

    There are some myths about MBZ, and some myths about Lexus, they're not always true.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    Tagman, please don't take me too seriously. I do this mostly for fun. I know. I need to get a life but it is just too cold and snowy here to play golf, so....sometimes I have some fun with you. I have not driven the new S either (but I have looked at a lot of pictures) so I understand your point of view.

    I like and respect most of your opinions, and the views and opinions of others here as well, but sometimes I just have to give a little jab here and there. I will try to behave.

    What we all have in common is our love of fine automobiles and of driving fine automobiles. Thank goodness we don't all like the same ones because that fact has given me hours and hours of entertainment here.

    Now, have a great week-end and go out and drive that LS!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Whenever I visit BMW, they toss me the keys of any new BMW that I want to drive. I expect to get first hand knowledge of the new diesels that way. As soon as they come off the boat, I'm there!

    I love BMWs but I hate their services with a passion. Most obnoxious sales reps, most obnoxious services and most obnoxious clientele . There is nothing at all that I like about my BMW dealership except the coffee and their variety of morning newspapers. After warranty I look forward to returning to an independent shop that services only BMWs.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    From December 8, 1995 to May 28, 1999 Montana's daytime automobile speed limits were "reasonable and prudent",

    That sounds right! I was there during Apri 1999. Good timing on my part.
  • I receive pretty good treatment every where I go.

    The worst I've gotten has come from domestic dealers, and cheap Japanese [Subaru]

    Bmw has always been very kind, even though we aren't current owners.[X5 will probably be the wife's next ride.]

    I've posted before that our Infiniti service has been an 11 out of 10 stars.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Good post. :)

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Expect to see re-generative braking in the next generation BMW 7 series. It will be available in the 5 series during March. Regenerative braking will reduce fuel consumption by three percent. In addition I read elsewhere that BMW active steering reduces fuel consumption by another three percent(since it is primarily electrically powered versus being mechanically powered). Both features add up to about 6 percent in terms of fuel savings.

    But at what cost? Who likes active steering anyways and what will this new regenerative braking feel like on the roads?

    link title

    BMW has introduced a regenerative braking system on the latest version of its 5-Series executive saloon, the first time the technology has appeared on a car other than a hybrid. The system works by harnessing the energy lost through braking to re-charge the battery via an intelligent alternator, cutting CO2 emissions and fuel consumption by around three per cent. Brake Energy Regeneration, as BMW calls it, is part of the company's wider Efficient Dynamics programme that aims to reduce vehicle weight, lower fuel consumption and improve efficiency in other areas such as aerodynamics, all with the aim of lowering CO2 emissions fuel consumption.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
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    SOURCE: link title

    The publication was apparently able to cajole BMW into building the ‘Air Camper’ seen above. Tied into the launch of BMW’s 1-series a couple of years ago, this is the first time we’d seen the inflatable domicile, so we thought we’d pass it on.

    The unique item attaches to the back end of the car, allowing campers to make use of the inside of the car, and is inflated is by a low-voltage fan hooked up to the car’s cigarette lighter. All-in, the Air Camper can accommodate two people.

    Us? We think this pneumatic Stay-Puft thing is pretty neat… certainly cooler than the camping attachment that Pontiac offered for the Aztek (the black-only tent failed miserably in what could’ve been its biggest potential contribution– covering up the car’s hideous form altogether).
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I agree. They can be arrogant.
    But when I drive there in my current BMW and ask for the salesguy who I dealt with last lease and I tell them I want to take a drive, they throw me the keys and say "have fun!" for as many vehicles as I have time for. No salesman along for the ride. Priceless! :)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I'll take a pass on that one! :surprise:
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Most reviewers have panned BMW's active steering with a passion.
    I have driven other manufacturers' vehicles with the equivalent steering mechanism and I totally hate it.
    I hope it will always be optional on BMW vehicles.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    What better way to hide a Bangle Butt?
    It's a great solution for Bangle Butt hating BMW owners . :D
  • I get that to at Infiniti.

    One time it came in the form of an 03 M5. I had it for about a half hour. WEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    That BMW can probably be cured by a good oncologist. :)

    LOL re: covering up the Bangle butt!! ;)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yeah! There's nothing like the experience of being treated like a repeat customer.
    I always mention my salesman's name and that I leased my current BMW from him.
    They let you do a lot when they know you are serious and have a 545i to leave as "collateral."

    Disappointed they didn't have a twin-turbo demo 2 weeks ago.
    I'll try again in March. Very eager to drive one!
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    It's a great solution for Bangle Butt hating BMW owners .

    My ears are ringing. ;-)
  • esfesf Posts: 1,020
    You own a Carrera S Cabriolet, if I remember-- don't you think you're doing well enough to get a CL550? It's a beauty, inside and out, and oh, that engine...

    '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    You own a Carrera S Cabriolet, if I remember-- don't you think you're doing well enough to get a CL550? It's a beauty, inside and out, and oh, that engine...

    Ha! Yeah, your right, but man, there is a limit to how much $$ goes into cars. Besides, I've got the bug for that upcoming 335i convertible to share with the wife, if I can get her to part with her Jag.

    Beyond that, she's mentioned the X5 as an MDX replacement, and once the 335i convertible is released this spring, we might suddenly find ourselves buying two new Bimmers at the same time, who knows? (Will that get us a better deal? LOL)

    Now if she doesn't like that X5, then I will immediately steer her to look at the GL, and if she likes it, wait for the diesel version.

    So as nice as it is, I don't see a CL550 in the picture.

    TagMan
  • I just read somewhere that a diesel X5 is supposed to hit sometime in the fall.

    Will your wife consider the Q7 3.0 TDI when it arrives?
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I just read somewhere that a diesel X5 is supposed to hit sometime in the fall.

    A diesel X5!! Now you're talking.

    Will your wife consider the Q7 3.0 TDI when it arrives?

    She doesn't like the Q7's style for some reason, but she thinks the X5 is hot.

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    The blurb below from the NY Times describes in essence what we've been arguing about these past few years:

    But I’m reminded of James Joyce’s short story “The Dead.” In it, a man’s wife reveals that as a teenager, she had a boyfriend named Michael Furey who died of pneumonia after trying to visit her during a terrible storm. The husband dejectedly realizes that compared with this crazy dead guy, he hasn’t brought much to the table in the way of passion. He’s just going through the motions.

    I wonder if a Lexus owner wouldn’t eventually have a similar epiphany. Maybe he or she would be driving along one day and suddenly remember a ride from the past, some rascal of a sports car that was fast and exciting but blew its final head gasket long before its time. Maybe that car instilled in them the idea that fun precludes reliability, that luxury and excitement are mutually exclusive
    .

    SOURCE: NY Times
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    Brings to mind my very first car. A used 1953 Nash Rambler. It was 1959 and I was 16. Sort of a washed out burgundy color. Three speed manual with overdrive for 4th gear.

    I can still remember its very best feature: Both front seat backs would fully recline!! :blush: :) ;)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Brings to mind my very first car. A used 1953 Nash Rambler. It was 1959 and I was 16. Sort of a washed out burgundy color. Three speed manual with overdrive for 4th gear.

    I can still remember its very best feature: Both front seat backs would fully recline!!


    Houdini,

    Here's your car, buddy!!

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    Don't say I never did anything for ya'! ;)

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I can still remember my first car when I was a teenager. A used rusty silver 78 Ford Granada with a red vinyl roof. Both front seats were unable to recline no matter what the situation was. :(

    And no the picture of the Vitalis hair sprayed guy below was not me as a teenager.

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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I started with a Falcon a bit like this one:

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    Thanks. I am shocked that even a picture has survived for that long! I don't recall mine looking that "sporty" but that is pretty close. Maybe because mine was pretty much worn out by the time I got it. I loved it though.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

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