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  • You figure the AMGs have been run a little hard? I was afraid of that. I did find a 2002 S430 with only 11,000 miles on it for a reasonable amount, above my budget but who can beat a car that has basically been garaged for 5 years.
  • anthonypanthonyp Posts: 1,857
    Get it checked out---then that sounds like a good operatunity....I noticed you had a suv....so this could just be the special car for special events...Of course I bet the clients you get or have really want you for your knowledge--so enjoy the car, as you will speak for yourself :) Tony
  • I would definitely avoid the E55 AMG. First of all you don't need that kind of performance for your intended use (unless you want to scare your clients in signing with you, LOL!). Plus the repairs and maintainence on that will likely be big bucks.

    I noticed that neither a Lexus LS430 nor an Infiniti Q45 are not on your list. For your intended use I think these would be perfect. They are luxury cars, low maintainence, and least likely to breakdown with your clients in the car!

    Let us know what you settle on.
  • I sell M-B's for a living. I would say avoid the '01-'02 S-Class. It has been a dog of a vehicle, as well as the '00-'03 E-Class. The new cars are MUCH better in the reliability and performance departments. The new S-class is a dream car! The '07 E-Class is a wonderful car that will be reliable for years to come. M-B has done a lot to combat the "not reliable" reputation of the brand. As a used car, the only Lexus I would even consider is the LS430. It is a quiet car with lots of space and would be great for carrying clients or going on trips. The ES and GS are rebadged Toyotas. Lexus makes a good car, quiet and comfortable and affordable. However, the new S-class STOMPS the new LS460L. Lexus is very good at loading their cars with features to combat other car makers, but the drive of a Lexus cannot compare to the drive of a M-B.

    I would not even consider an Infiniti. We get them in all the time as preowned cars and I think they are cheap and plasticky, and the interiors wear down faster than other cars. There is no reason to consider the M35 unless you just want a luxury badge. The Nissan Maxima is the same car.

    Anyway, if you want a good pre-owned car for your needs, I would say Lexus LS430. If you are willing to step up a little go for the newer M-B's, they are great cars.
  • I sold and managed at a Toyota store for over twenty years, things changed at the old place and I now sell Lexus. Only because I am very familiar with both lines I got to respond to your post and take issue with you.

    Your comments ---

    "As a used car, the only Lexus I would even consider is the LS430. It is a quiet car with lots of space and would be great for carrying clients or going on trips. The ES and GS are rebadged Toyotas. Lexus makes a good car, quiet and comfortable and affordable. However, the new S-class STOMPS the new LS460L. Lexus is very good at loading their cars with features to combat other car makers, but the drive of a Lexus cannot compare to the drive of a M-B."

    are very misleading, you either have been sniffing the tailpipes for too long around the dealership or believe all the horse hockey that the Mercedes Corporate Propaganda Machine has been feeding you.

    While there are many similarities between the Camry V6 XLE and the Lexus ES in terms of platform, performance and features the cars are not "rebadged" Toyotas.

    The majority of Camry's are built in the United States, all Lexus except for the RX which is assembled in Canada are built in Japan. The fit and finish of the Lexus meets a higher standard, the overall noise, vibration and harshness of ride is less, the warranties are longer, servicing is called for at much less frequent intervals, Lexus retains a greater portion of it's value at resale and a Lexus demo is provided free of charge for all service.

    There is no car in the Toyota selection that shares the Lexus GS all wheel drive performance or available V8 engine. It can hardly be called a rebadged Toyota.

    Obviously you've been standing outside in the sun for too long without a hat and are beginning to see things if you really believe that the new S class stomps the LS 460L or LS 460

    The new LS series has an 8 speed transmission - MB only 7, the car retails for $15K less, produces 380 HP from a 4.6L engine as opposed to 382 HP from a 5.5L, has more interior space and more trunk space, I believe in many respects that the Lexus is a superior car, I hardly think that the S class stomps the LS.

    Even the 12 cylinder S600 takes second place to the LS 600h, the hybrid motor smokes the S600, has a faster 0 to 60, offers more interior space, has a longer warranty and retails for about $25K less.

    Mercedes enjoyed a reputation for years as building the best large luxury sedans in the market, with the introduction of the new LS series Lexus has climbed on top of the pedestal, you just can't beat the Japanese for innovation and quality.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    There is no reason to consider the M35 unless you just want a luxury badge. The Nissan Maxima is the same car.

    Actually, having driven every single one of the mid-lux cars currently on sale, I can say that the Infiniti M easily ranks among the best. It thoroughly trounces the RL and the GS, and it beats the rapidly aging E-class, both in performance and technology. It takes a BMW 5 to outperform the M.

    The "they are a rebadged Toyota\Nissan" is a tired, stale and cheap argument from the entrenched trying to defend their turf. It's no different than saying the E-class is a rebadged Chrysler 300.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,262
    ". . .no reason to consider the M35 unless you just want a luxury badge. The Nissan Maxima is the same car."

    Well, so long as you pay no attention to which pair of wheels drives the car, or what the fore/aft weight distribution on said wheels is, or any of a number of other things, you're exactly 100% correct.

    If you do, you're not. Say after me: "RWD is different from FWD."

    I knew you could.
  • I have become smitten with the XJ as I find it an interesting departure from my current LS430.
    I've narrowed the field down to the Jag, the 7 series or if I want to go sport, the BMW 535.
    I'm am a little unsure of the Jag, never having owned one before. I drive about 15K per year for work and do need reliable comfortable transportation so it won't be a garage queen.
    Any experience with it?
    By the way, I recently tested the LS460 and the MB S 550 back to back for about 20-30 minutes each. The MB is a heavier car with a very smooth ride. The LS feels lighter in every way but is also smooth and quiet. I know that MB had some quality issues with the last S Class but I prefer the way it drove over the new one. This one felt a bit ponderous to me but it does exude class and quality. The interior is of a very high quality but in a "serious" almost austere way. I'm sure it will last forever. The LS460 is a half notch up in all departments from my LS 430 but to me it is very much the "same" car from a driving perspective. The salesman must have said ten times that "it's a completely different car in every way than the LS 430". They must be trained in that "mantra". Maybe because the average guy who has been used to leasing LS's for 800-900 per month for the last 10 years is suddenly faced with a 1250-1300 per month car.
    Yikes! And guys, it really feels very similar, not that it's a bad thing.
  • Word.

    You forgot to mention the Maxima is also the most singularly fugly car on the road today. I had an '02 6-speed, but they lost me on buying a new one when they came out with the new styling and CVT.

    I love the Infiniti M-series... M45 in particular.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    You forgot to mention the Maxima is also the most singularly fugly car on the road today. I had an '02 6-speed, but they lost me on buying a new one when they came out with the new styling and CVT.

    I agree, although the Maxima really lost its way years earlier when they went to a beam axle for the sake of rear seat room. So much for the "four door sports car".
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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    In CR's latest reliability ratings Mercedes Benz has plummeted to the bottom.

    The only Mercedes with an above average rating is the lowly C class. That means their luxury cars are really, really unreliable. As a result their sales have suffered. I am surprised that they sell anything above the C class.

    This is unacceptable and inexcusable for an auto maker that was once known for good build quality and reliability.

    My take is that they are desperately trying to hold onto their profit margins by scrimping on quality. In their frantic efforts to compete with Lexus they have, indeed, thrown the baby out with the bath water!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • I don't have a dog in this fight, since Mercedes doesn't really appeal to me anyway, but I would take what CR says with a grain of salt. Their testing and rating methods have come into question in the past. Their ratings are based on the responses to member surveys, not necessarily a stringent quantitative methodology.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    I see your point and agree with it somewhat. I have owned more than one Mercedes in the past and they have been OK. But when CR and Wards both put them near the bottom there has to be some truth there.

    The problem I have with CR is how do they know their respondents are being truthful? For instance, the Prius was rated #1 in reliability but I have heard of many, many problems with that particular car. I have a tough time with that one.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,262
    ". . .the Prius was rated #1 in reliability. . ."

    Oh, ye of little faith.

    You have to remember that a hybrid is a "lifestyle statement" and that CR is pimping big time for those who will make one.

    Their highly-regarded (by the brain-dead) reliability studies come from a self-selected cohort. The self-righteous among them who have had trouble with their hybrid vehicles would rather spend time with Rush Limbaugh (in person) than report trouble. They're silent, and CR continues to pimp the green agenda. Oh boy.

    Calming down a bit, it's important to remember that the CR reliability stuff comes from only those who choose to respond to a tedious survey form that takes quite awhile to complete. Unless you have a message to send, I'm guessing you're going to blow it off.

    Go figure.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    Lol. Just what I was trying to say but you said it much better than I could!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    In the category, "Sports/Sporty cars" there were 12 entries.
    The "sporty" Volkswagen GTI came in dead last, number 12! Right behind the Hyundai Tiburon! Amazing, but not really surprising I guess.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • eliaselias Posts: 1,913
    1/4-ton-dude, you say the Maxima and the M35 are the same car and that makes me wonder if you are engaging in posterior speech egress.
    Isn't it true that M35 is RWD and Maxima is FWD? so right off the bat don't we see that they are very different cars, not the same at all? thank you.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    Lol! Infiniti used to have the I30 but it has been dropped. It was pretty much a re-badged Maxima... but nothing like the M35.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • Why would you choose a Mercedes instead of a BMW as your luxury car of choice? I own a Mercedes CLS500 and chose it over a BMW but am interested in why others may have made a similar decision.
  • The level of comfort in a Mercedes for me, surpasses that of the BMW. I have a Mercedes 420sel that I've had the past three years and not once at high speeds was i uncomfortable it handles well and i have very little reason to think of buying a new car. But if i had to think of a reason to buy a new car it would be because of how hard it is to find small parts replacement badging etc. And yes i looked at BMW as well before i bought my mercedes and i just couldn't see my self driving a BMW as old as my Mercedes and keeping it as long as i have my Mercedes. Be sure to open your Mercedes up to at least 120mph other wise it would have been a complete waist to have made that purchase! :)
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,903
    I have owned a couple of MBs and a BMW in the past and I much prefer the MB simply because I felt they were built better, looked better, drove better, and were more reliable.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • I agree. The design of MB vehicles are timeless, not to mention after the last of a model rolls off the assembly line they instantly begin to increase in value and its given the designation of being a classic, trust me on this my benz is 21 going on 22 years old. I paid $700 for it a few years ago when it was worth $3000 and i can sell right now for $10K. :shades:
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    seems to me every1 is favoring the mb.

    But i am sure many will surely have hesitations buying a mb after reading these messages,

    My dad had owned a couple of mbs in the past he says its the best cars through could never found out the reliability because of accidents :sick:

    He still says its the best luxury cars,

    But no offend guys i am seriously a bmw fan, specially the x5. ;)
  • Yeah, you know what I found in doing my research? That there's an ageist component to the demographics of MBZ afficionados, which is really weird to me. According to some of those surveyed, they thought MBZ "was for old people." I responded, "well maybe it's because they last so long!" I plan to keep my 2006 CLS500 for over 120,000 miles, a) because I drive ALOT and the trade in value will probably be negligible after 5 years; b) it is a GREAT, SEXY car. Thanks for your responses! I got a great review on my speech and your feedback was motiviating :blush: .
  • moxiemoxie Posts: 33
    Lexusguy, what do you mean by "beam axle" ? The Nissan website lists the Maxima as having "independent strut-type" front suspension and "multi-link independent" rear suspension.

    Regards.
  • MB is not always for the older people, i'm 19 and have owned my benz for years. And dont bother selling your CLS500 thats a modelthat MB no longer makes and in 15-16 years it will be worth far more than you think. Oh, I did NOT by my MB as a status symbol either.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Lexusguy, what do you mean by "beam axle" ? The Nissan website lists the Maxima as having "independent strut-type" front suspension and "multi-link independent" rear suspension.

    Thats for the current model. The Maxima started out life having an IRS. They changed it to a live axle in order to increase rear seat room I think two generations ago ('97?). The current car switched back to an independent setup.
  • I am interested in getting some perspectives on a lease for a 2008 MB S550 4Matic. The MSRP of the car is $98, 950, and has the premium III package. The lease specifics are: 39 month lease with 15K per year, with a MF of 3.00, and a $5k down payment. The residual is $49, 801. The monthly payment works out to be $1,695 per month. Is this a good deal? Thanks for the help!
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