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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    True. I have no problem with the way the Lexus dealer priced this truck, I was just extremely surprised. A supreme compliment for the LX.

    Apparently Lexus only plans to sell around 10,000 of these a year so they are in very short supply and there is no intent to increase production.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    ... Ask Ferrari or Aston Martin if gas prices are hurting sales. I don't think so.

    Well, considering that those cars only see about 5 or 10 tanks of gas per owner before being sold (10 being a stretch), why would they? You should see how many M5s are coming back to BMW lots now. Read the forums. The guys/gals love the car, but they are just sick of filling it up all the time. And with gas prices headed the direction they are, it quickly becomes a fiscal nightmare to drive such cars. Rich people didn't get rich by throwing away money just because they can...
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    It certainly is an impressive vehicle. Not my kind of thing, but its a great execution by Lexus.

    That was my reaction to it when I saw it at the car show. Most mpressive SUV from Toyota to date... yet a pathetically thirsty gas hog.

    Toyota is smart to keep the supply very limited... not too many folks would actually want one. By keeping it in short supply, it doesn't appear to be the sales loser it otherwise would be. And I do say "loser" from a sales perspective, not from a quality perspective, as it is a quality vehicle... just way too thirsty and expensive to sell in ANY large numbers, with SUV sales in the toilet the way they are.

    But overall, not my thing either.

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    they are just sick of filling it up all the time. And with gas prices headed the direction they are, it quickly becomes a fiscal nightmare to drive such cars. Rich people didn't get rich by throwing away money just because they can...

    Bingo!

    TM
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    just way too thirsty and expensive to sell in ANY large numbers, with SUV sales in the toilet the way they are.

    Well, the LX has never been a big seller, and after the GX, you really had to want one to justify the price. Obviously they want to protect dealer margins on these things. They can't have them stacking up on lots like Acura RLs. :)
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    Rich people didn't get rich by throwing away money just because they can...

    Correct, but many people who are extravagant enough to own "track cars" are so rich that if they want something they buy it. They have so much money that the value is meaningless to them. It is the "ordinary" rich, people who earned what they have, that don't foolishly waste money.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    In chatting with the Lexus salesman I found out that there is a really hot market in exporting slightly used LX 570's. A U.S. Lexus dealer is prohibited from selling new vehicles over seas, mainly because of the difference in currencies, etc. but this does not apply to used vehicles.

    With the dollar so low in relation to many other currencies a $90,000. used LX 570 is quite a bargain in many parts of the world.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I am sure that a "track car" owner has earned his money just as much as a non track car owner has earned his.

    And what is considered wasteful spending is quite subjective. Speaking personally, I've worked since I was a small child, mowing lawns and delivering newspapers. As soon as legally old enough I got my first of many legitimate jobs, some of which were back-breaking.

    I've worked and earned my way my entire life. I am considered very successful by most measurements, I admit, but I do not like to be too wasteful, yet I generally tend to go through cars like sneakers... It is one of my real weaknesses... I just love cars... But I do not like all of them, of course... As you know and sometimes find objectionable.

    TM
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    What we need to do here is stick to the cars and skip the generalized assumptions about those who own them.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    Sorry Tag, I was just speaking in generalities. Certainly no offense intended. People with the kind of wealth I was speaking of would probably not be posting here. :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Ya' never really know who might be posting here. ;)

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Is anyone here considering purchasing a lux car or SUV that is a gas hog?

    TM
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,645
    Possiblemente... Lexusguy (I think you still have the XK...), what's the real-world mpg for your XK? Any XF owner's here that can comment on mpg?

    I don't care how much money I have (or don't). I won't buy a guzzler. Of course, I'll have to define guzzler for myself...

    Not an SUV guy. Evil Wife's RX300 is getting 19+ mpg in local commuting driving post O2 sensor replacement. Not spectacular, but not too guzzling. And, given the utility it presents, that's okey-dokey. I consistently get 23mpg in mixed-commute driving in my TL slushbox.

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The fuel economy is important to me, too... regardless of price and ability to pay. My Carrera S has been guzzling gas lately... it may be a service issue... but, if not, I'm done with it. Went from 18 to 13.7 mpg, without any known reason, and that's just not OK with me anymore.

    TM
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,645
    I'm a driving child of the '70s, so gas lines, purchase limits and odd/even buying days have never left my memory. Although prices are increasing exponentially daily, at least gas seems to be available. Today, at least...

    And, as a child of the '60s, I"ve always been somewhat "green." Global warming, natural or man-induced matters not. It can't hurt to treat our tiny planet with just a bit of respect. I've always owned cars that returned decent MPG, my TL is a ULEV.

    Wow, that's a distressing drop in mpg for Das Porshce! Maybe a bad sensor or injector? Not getting the right fuel mix? I'm no mechanic... Hopefully it can be rectified as I'm sure you'd hate to part with one of Ferry's children. Fun and economical!

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Possiblemente... Lexusguy (I think you still have the XK...), what's the real-world mpg for your XK?

    Yep, I'll be keeping the XK for awhile. It does pretty well for a V8 powered luxury convertible. Much like the XJ, the aluminum structure means it weighs hundreds of pounds less than its porky German rivals, so the fuel economy is pretty decent, despite the AJ-V8 being rather outdated. I probably average around 20mpg, but it can go as high as 28mpg on the highway. Opting for the supercharger of course takes away the efficiency.

    Unfortunately the XF isn't aluminum, it actually weighs 200lbs. more than a Super V8 Portfolio, so fuel economy isn't that spectacular.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    I am actually toying with the idea of upgrading our 2000 LX to a 2006 or 2007 certified LX. My wife has driven our current LX for 5 years and continues to love it. Since she only drives about 8,000 miles per year gas would hurt some but not too much. And there are really some bargains out there!! Maybe low forties and I have someone who wants to buy mine for $20,000.

    Toying with the idea but not committed. I just hate the idea of 14 mpg. At $4. per gal we would have an annual fuel cost of around $2200.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • bob204bob204 Posts: 7
    I am looking at a used big body Lexus either 2001-2003 models. I have read wonderful praise and quite good mpg, surprising actually just how good. But, must one use only premium gasoline and if not will the lesser grades harm the engine..
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    Hey, Where have you been long time no post???

    Did you purchase a new car?
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    Yes, just last week we traded our 2000 LX on a CPO 2007 LX with 26,000 miles. It is gorgeous and we are very pleased with it. We traded for a difference of $36,000. I thought it was a good deal.

    We looked at the 2008 but my wife actually liked the 2007 better. I think because she was more used to it. We also drove a new 2008 Landcruiser. I liked it but it was a little too plain for my wife.

    What have you been doing lately?

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    With today's modern computer managed engines most will run just fine on regular gas. You will probably give up a little on hp but nothing significant. The LS 430 should do just fine.

    Warning......If you drive one you will fall in love. :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    Hello,

    Congratulations You don't post in LL anymore?

    Well I always trust Japanese engineering electronics and reliability better, but the problem is I like Germans as well especially suvs, As you would know I've been interested in suvs more.

    To me suvs from Japan and Germans are completely different and I think you are the 1 who told me about it.

    Yes the LX is a great car but
    1st its very expensive
    2nd If I wanted I would get the new 1 .
    3rd Its just too big for me I wont me using the second row of seat so what would I do with full size suv.
    4th I don't go offroad.

    I've been to 3 dealers 2 days ago...

    Infiniti. Went to check out the fx and ex I felt strange sitting inside and I said to myself now I know why soo many people buy the rx.

    IMO the RX is a lot more comfortable inside.

    2nd Went to Mercedes wasn't really interested just went to check it out.

    ML not worth it RX is better. E and C class nope. CLS nice but the interior not so sure about it, but these is enough head room in the back for a 6ft plus guy. CL65 oh my very very expensive but what a car. S class was the best car they got IMO comfortable safe solid great driving position.

    3rd Porsche Cayenne is nice good size but the interior and way over priced not so sure about it and the options are endless

    Well thats the things that...

    Are you also going to trade your ls400?
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    Hi BM,

    Yes, I understand your feelings about the LX. It is certainly not for everyone. My wife mainly drives it and I want her to be safe and comfortable. Plus for trips it is a superb freeway cruiser.

    No I do not visit the LL any more. It just seemed to devolve into a BMW forum. I have owned BMWs in the past and just found them to be OK but very much lacking in reliability and refinement. Performance is good but a waste for me as 100% of my driving is in urban areas with speed limits of under 45 mph or freeway driving at 70+ and in a straight line.

    Here is an idea for you to check out. Times are changing. If I was a young man like you I would test drive the Hyundai Sante Fe, preferably the V6 limited. If you do, let me know what you think. Obviously it is not considered a luxury suv but it sure has a lot of nice features, I think it looks great and the price is right.

    I do not currently own an LS I have an Acura RL. I will probably trade it some time after the first of the year when some of the new diesels start arriving. I am very interested in them. But I will probably end up with an LS 430.

    You should also check out the Stories from the Sales Frontline forum. Some very interesting characters there in the car sales biz. They have a lot of fun and are very helpful. Stay in touch.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • fusillifusilli Posts: 24
    yeah, it does look like a hearse! I took an R350 for a test drive the other day, and OMG, after looking at the Lexus ES350 and the GS350 and then the C Benz, I was blown away by the R350. Never in a million years did I think I'd like the car. It is prettier inside than it is out, so that is all I care about. The panoramic roof is really cool. I read somewhere on Edmunds that someone chose the GMC Acadia over the Benz, well, I gotta tell ya, my boyfriend has an Acadia (pays close to $800 a month for a lease...ripoff), and I have had almost every brand of SUV out there, including two Benzes, Jeeps, Explorers, you name it. I was very, very impressed with the R350.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    I would think you could get a great deal on the R class right now. I bet it is a great freeway cruiser. f u silli. Catchy name. :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,278
    I once asked a poster ("bigal") if it was bi gal or big al.

    Different, for sure.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,921
    :)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,890
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  • I own a 2004 Audi A8L and I am trying to find a way to upgrade the OnStar system in my car. I have called Audi customer service and I have also talked to Chevy Service department and no one knows how I can upgrade my analog system to the newer digital system so that I can get a subscription to OnStar to update my maps in the navigation system and for the hands free phone use. If nothing else I would love to just find something to upgrade the car to do handsfree phone communication with my verizon phone. If anyone has any ideas or suggestions I would appreciate any info. Thank you.
    Mike
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    If I recall, Audi stopped using OnStar two or three model years back, so you're definitely not going to get any help from them on an upgrade. A trip to the Chevy dealership, as you've found, is a waste of time. They aren't going to touch another manufacturers system; especially not a luxury marque.

    I believe there are lots of aftermarket hands-free setups you could have installed. Of course, it's not going to be integrated with any of your car's other systems. You could go to a reputable audio install shop in your area and have an aftermarket audio/nav system installed that will also have Bluetooth capabilities, but unless you pay big bucks, it's not going to be integrated into any of your cars other systems (climate control, steering wheel buttons, etc.), either.
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