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  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    I really like the looks of the 2001 C320. Looks just like the S on the outside, but the interior look nicer to me. I would go with the C320 over the M3 or 530i myself. Newer, fresher look.
  • skuldorskuldor Posts: 1
    I'm sure this sentiment has been aired before, but let me vent: the new S class has none of the panache or "Mercedes-ness" of the old. My lease is up on my 1996 S320 and I am FORCED to look at a new 740iL or Jag....But perhaps I will opt for a 98 or 99 S320 or 420 with low miles. The only problem is that so many other Merc owners who are disenchanted with the Mitsubishi-[non-permissible content removed] Toyota-[non-permissible content removed] Mazda styling of the new "S" are also on the prowl for the old body style. There is a now a shortage of "old" S's!! Who'd a thunk it?
    Ah well, we'll have to wait a couple of years for headquarters to figure it out and bring back the Mercedes we all love to be intimidated by.
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    My wife told me to tell you that you're her new friend. She ready dislike the new S too. I bought her a S320 a few years back. She went from their to the 740il and now drive the Jaguar Vanden Plas. So, I know a little about all these cars. The 740il is the best around luxury car made to me, but ours had a lot of electrical problems. The Jaguar Vanden Plas is something special. We call it our "Baby Rolls", and as far as reliability is concerned, we had more problem out of the 740il than we do with the Jag. No really many problems with the Jag at all to tell the true.

    We look at the new S, and just can't do it. We are fairly young too, but the retro on the big Benz does quite work. It remind me more of the 740il. The old problem you have in my mind is that the BMW and Jag are both going to change styles in the new year or two.

    Anyway, happy hunting.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I can see this view point on the new S-Class. It is shapely and dazzling where as the old car was stodgy, upright and intimidating. I still want the old car too. I'm hoping that the S55 and S600 will add some of that old goodness to the S-Class line. For me a 1996 S420 (before the new 1997 wheels) would be perfect, or maybe a 1994 S500.
    The new one just lost that imposing, larger than life aura of the old car, but the new S is gorgeous though!

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I have narrowed it down to the C320, 530i (will have to see what the facelift will look like) and the M3. The M3 will be a stretch because of insurance (for my age) and price. 45K is my limit, and the M3 is supposed to start at 45K. If my company's stock doesn't improve I'll be looking at a C240 or 328Ci.

    M
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    Talk to manager at a Benz dealership that I've know for years. He is talking about getting a C320 for himself.

    Do you mean BMW 528i, and didn't they just get a facelift a couple of years ago?

    If it is the 528i vs C320, that a hard choice actually. I think I would go with the C320 though. Newer design, more room than old C, and you save $10k
  • hello26hello26 Posts: 62
    I thought I was the only one who wasn't impressed with the design of the new Mercedes flagship.

    I don't like the interior. LS400 laser light- show-[non-permissible content removed] Ford F150- [non-permissible content removed] Spaceship Mercedes.


    The exterior is very modern. In this case I don't find that to be good.
  • hello26hello26 Posts: 62
    While I'm at it let me say I think the LS430 is ugly. Fake new S front combined with Toyota Avalon.

    I think the problem is there is nothing original anymore. It seems probable that styling relates to material. When cars were metal design had to do with the characteristics of metal work. In this plastic world everything looks melted.
  • mcgowan1mcgowan1 Posts: 16
    Perrmit an older, wiser, and somewhat pragmatic auto critic to make an observation.
    As I read this topic it occurred to me that there are two kinds of people who buy these kinds of cars.
    Type 1. Those who seek status because they can afford to indulge.
    Type 2.Those who seek status and really can't afford to, but somehow manage to find the wherewithal to create the impression.
    I honestly believe that we hear most from the latter in this topic.
    Sincerely hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes.
  • monterreymonterrey Posts: 4
    Any thoughts on the difference in snow handling between the A8 and the 740iL or S420 (all with stability control programs?) I want both a luxury and performance car for my 75 mile commute. Love the A8 but at $70k, it is missing a few of the luxury features I want. Also, Audi just put their stability program on, so am stuck buying a new A8 and paying the big bucks as I want this feature. Am considering looking at used '99 740iL or S420's (with stability option) instead. Certainly cheaper, but how much will handling be impacted -- it's really about AWD vs. rear wheel drive. I'd also do snow tires on the RWD.
  • Compared the A8(not L) to the 740il. Actually preferred it over teir own. They my have a web site in which the article is written.
  • gordonb1gordonb1 Posts: 1
    I have owned 2 740iL and been pleased with them. For a change I am considering a A8L anyone have any comments, opinions, insights, experiences etc?
  • hello26hello26 Posts: 62
    Only two? And they're both status seekers? Neither is a car enthusiast? My dad said I can't play with you anymore. Oh, he also said my car is better than your car.
  • Other than the one C&D performed, which a short review available in their curent magazine. I believe it's also on their website.
  • bmwaaronbmwaaron Posts: 16
    I've read many disputes on the LS 400 / 430 and how wonderful (and terrible) they are.

    A lexus is a Toyota, with better leather, that costs 20,000 more.

    My cousin was looking at a lexus and when we looked at the glass, it said "TOYOTA" on it, not even Lexus. That's an example of how cheap a car company can be. It's the little things that count.
    Almost got him into a BMW 540i, but instead he took the Porshe Boxter.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    Who cares who made the glass? What if it said ACME Glass Co.? Does it make the glass better if it says BMW or LExus?
  • hello26hello26 Posts: 62
    If you find "Toyota" it is supposed to be proof of the car's guilt somehow.

    Some think about the 1966 Corona and think this is the status of Toyota. If you look at industry global platform sharing, engine families, and parts sharing you can put the name in some more perspective.

    As to the fixation on "Toyota," I've been saying that the Celsior (LS400) is Toyota's flagship.
    It isn't.

    ES300 topic:

    #104 of 105: Crown (jrct9454) Mon 29 May '00 (06:50 AM)

    The Crown has always been their flagship car,
    intended for the corporate mucka-mucks who are
    driven in the back seat. Styling in the past couple of decades clearly is designed to appeal to the local market, and the car has rarely been sold in any significant numbers outside Asia. Think S-Class by way of Maybach...with doilies on the headrests and a bodyguard in the front seat...


    Toyota is one of a handful of companies that have the ability to make V-12 cars from the ground up.
    LS400 is the highest build quality of any car being sold in the US. You'd better research the glass, the specifications to which it was made, who made it, and where else it might be used instead of jumping on the fact it says Toyota.
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    isn't that big of a deal, but if they want to differentiate the luxury line, they should put Lexus on or take Toyota off the glass. It does turn some protential buyers off. No matter, a Lexus is a Lexus. A high quality, reliable, plainly designed, copy of a Mercedes. It is an excellent auto,and if reliablity is what you seek in a luxury car, the Lexus is the best. On the other hand, if you want some style or/and prestige to go with your luxury, along with pretty good reliability, look at Jag,Mercedes, or BMW. No matter which one you choice, you'll be making a good choice. They all hold something unique to themselves.
  • bmwaaronbmwaaron Posts: 16
    All I meant by the glass comment was that if they are such great cars, and status symbols, they could at least make glass that has the same name as the car. Even Acura and Infiniti have glass named after the car, not the parent company that made it.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    Wanna bet? My 2000 Infiniti I30 says NISSAN on the glass. Not Infiniti. And I still bought it.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    I'll bet Acura cars have Honda on their glass, too.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    So you saw the "special" Infiniti. I see.
  • automophileautomophile Posts: 780
    It says "Toyota" because the Lexus is a Toyota in Japan where it is made and in most of the rest of the world. It is only a Lexus in the USA to escape import restrictions, the same as Infiniti and Acura. Also - Toyota is probably the maker of the glass.

    Some auto glass says "PPG" (Pittsburgh Plate Glass)or "LOF" (Libbey-Owens-Ford) - 2 of the largest suppliers to the auto industry. Does this mean that the the cars that use it are cheaper or less good in some way? I don't think so.

    Sounds like Lexus-bashing to me!
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    Its not really Lexus-bashing(which I have good reason to do because of my Lexus experience), it just may make some folks think, "why should I pay and extra $20k for a car that says Toyota just like their Camry". Regardless, Lexus has done and will do well in sells. They are here to say and are a needed segment of the car market. I think they are for the most part excellent cars. Wish my experience would have been better. I doubt I'd ever buy another one.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Response from earlier post. The 528i will become the 530i this fall with the 225 hp engine from the X5 3.0i, 330i and 330Ci models. I also expect the 5-Series to get a facelift too, being that it will be in its 5th model year. So it will most likely be between the 530i, M3 or C320.

    M
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    They usually do facelifts ever 7 years like Jaguar. Mercedes usually 7-10. It would be nice to see some clues early as to how the really new 7-series will look.

    Don't know man, that a hard choice. A 5-series is very nice, but the new C-class look very interesting to me. Personally, I would rule out the M3. Good luck on choicing this one.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    While I do understand your POV, I personally don't think it is a big deal at all. It's not the glass that makes a Lexus better than Toyota or Infiniti better than Nissan. If someone is just looking for the name plastered all over, they should buy something else. For those of us who bought because we love the way the car looks and drives, it is a non-issue.
  • kappamankappaman Posts: 47
    And you are right...for you. Some would see it differently. Lexus is a great car for the most part, but for some potential buyers Toyota one the window can be a turnoff. Anyway, good luck with your Lex.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Posts: 861
    But it's an I30, not a Lex...
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