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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thanks for this informative link, Ivan_99.

    The reviewer seems to have more of a bone to pick with Lexus as a brand than actually contributing anything meaningful about the 2007 LS itself. Sounds like he had this review written before he even approached the vehicle.

    He writes "The brand still ranks near zero Kelvin on the prestige thermometer" and "Compared to luxury brands like Mercedes Benz, Cadillac(!), BMW and Audi, Lexus has the emotional appeal of a public golf course."

    If you're going to review a car, tell us about the car and don't use a review as a thinly disguised personal vendetta against Lexus.

    Given this reviewer's pre-conceived distaste for Lexus, the vehicle didn't stand a chance.

    Let's hope that we can soon read some unbiased comprehensive reviews of the 2007 LS. We don't need biased hatchet jobs.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    We don't need biased hatchet jobs.

    Well at least we have these forums as a respite from such extremes.

  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Heh heh! Good one, designman!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The big difference here is I am free to express my opinion on Edmunds.
    I'm a BMW person so what I say is colored by that point of view. It's expected.

    I am not being paid by a newspaper to give a supposedly unbiased review which turns out to be nothing more than a personal vendetta against Lexus.

    I came away with absolutely nothing from that review except that the reviewer is biased against Lexus as a company.

    The LA Times should not have printed it.
    It is a disservice to their readers who are about to shop this vehicle.

    There is a higher principle at stake here. It's called journalistic integrity.

    I may personally dislike the LS, but I will surely defend the right of someone who wants to shop this car to be able to read a comprehensive, unbiased review that will help him in his decision-making.

    If I am running a newspaper and one of my music critics hates Verdi, why would I send him to review Aida?
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,862
    Bravo, HP. I said essentially the same thing about the terrible Q7 review. I don't particularly like the looks of the Q7 but I hate vendetta style hatchet jobs.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    The LA Times should not have printed it.

    I would be perfectly happy if newspapers didn't have auto reviews. Most of them register zero on my Richter scale.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Better things will come when Car and Driver and Road & Track finally review the vehicle.
    Perhaps AutoWeek will review it in October. If I see a date, I will post it.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I'm marking this day on my calendar.

    headline news: hpowders stands up for OBJECTIVITY!


  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    From BMW Magazine:

    "Strategic Vision's Total Quality Index is a measure of new vehicle owner satisfaction. It asks buyers to rate all aspects of the ownership experience, from buying and owning to driving."

    "For the second year in a row, BMW's 7 Series topped the Luxury Car segment of SVTQ Awards. BMW repeated as the highest scoring brand, its seventh time to do so in eight years."

    Always good to read, although I have never heard of SVTQ.

    Has anyone heard of these guys?

    Probably 4 BMW middle-management guys sitting at a table.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I know you get my point and are just having a little fun with me.

    I can't believe the editor allowed the Lexus hate-speech to be published under the guise of a "review."
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,862
    Well....maybe now!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I know you get my point.

    Yes. And you know I agree with it . . . to a point. Journalists do have a little subjective latitude, as it goes with the territory. But a blatent biased misuse of that latitude is shameful, IMO.

    Even the car rags are sometimes guilty, and I have to wonder why.

    As I've said before . . . stay with the truth and the facts please.

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    As I've said before . . . stay with the truth and the facts please

    Unfortunately that is never ever going to happen here or in the auto rags. Truth and facts can only prevail when passion is not involved. Unfortunately in the case of autos most auto reviewers (professional or unprofessional) view cars quite passionately and their opinions will be tainted by their biases.

    Show me any auto reviewer that does not have any bias whatsoever and I will show you a reviewer who views cars with complete indifference. Such an indifferent and rational reviewer will end up working for Consumers Report and it is those kind of reviews that I tend to avoid.
  • greasykid1greasykid1 Posts: 336
    My reference to high maintenance and increased price refer ONLY the Bluetec emmission systems. Present data states that the urea system will have to be serviced regularly.Present intervals mentioned are 10,000 mi.

    Also the implimentation of urea etc.will increase vehicle costs. This info was covered in detail in a recent copy of the MBA club "STAR" magazine.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    No poster on this forum (myself included) is truly unbiased, so how can we expect journalists to be any different?

    Of course some are more biased than others.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Maybe I'm misunderstood. As I said, there is going to be some latitude. This is due to the bias and passion you speak of. I expect it.

    What I don't like is false statements or twisted data.

    That's different, unacceptable, and THAT is what I was referring to.

    Yes, I agree that the unemotional reviewers belong at Consumer Reports, but I'd swear, IMO, even those guys are biased, too!

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Yes I understand.

    With this kind of negative bias from LA Times is it any wonder why GM threated to pull ads from their publications?

    Although I dont think Toyota is going to make the same threat to LA Times.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I have never seen such blatant prejudice against an auto company in a vehicle review as this guy expressed in the LA Times against Lexus.

    (Sorry Dewey-most of this is not directed at you.)

    Whether we as posters or whether professional auto reviewers are biased or not completely misses the point.

    Whether I agree with the reviewer's comments about Lexus, the company, also misses the point.

    This guy was using the guise of a review as an excuse to spew vitriol against Lexus the company, when he should have been telling us about the brakes, steering and handling of the 2007 Lexus LS460 to the best of his ability, biases or not.

    Anyway, enough said. Time to move on.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I'm sorry, but while I agree that Dan Neil went out on a biased limb, I don't see the review as the horror story you are portraying it as. Bad journalism? YES! Horror Story? NO!

    I do think these kinds of reviews are more common than you are suggesting, and we will continue to see more of these biased views, some for the positive as well as the negative. Collectively they paint a more colorful picture, IMO.

    Heck, some of these reviews in the past have been so overly positive that they have made me wonder if the author is on the auto manufacturer's payroll. And others have been nothing more than a re-print of the manufacturer's press release.

    When the dust settles, and many more reviews are in, the Lexus LS460 will be much better understood, and we will all realize that the vehicle has legs to stand on. Ultimately we will all test drive it, and then we will truly know for ourselves what the LS460 really is.

    In the meantime, I'm not about to freak out over a few overly biased reviews (positive or negative). It's nothing new as far as I'm concerned. And, YES, it is time to move on.

  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    The good thing about the Bluetec is that MB will roll-out a CDI-exclusive scheduled and unscheduled maintenance program for the emissions system ONLY. The rest of the car will have scehduled maintenance free.
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