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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    A recall, while sometimes major, is often voluntary and preventative on the part of the manufacturer to make sure that a discovered potential problem or defect is fixed BEFORE it poses a danger or becomes significantly worse.

    When a vehicle problem is already known, but the manufacturer waits until a statistically significant number of people are killed before deciding to (or being forced to) recall vehicles . . . well this is dead wrong (excuse the pun) and borders criminal, IMO.

    However, early discovery and recall of a potential problem deserves positive recognition and praise, IMO.

    Regardless, and independent of recalls, the reliability of Toyota is still unsurpassed, certainly well above Ford and many others.

    Toyota proves that even with recalls, if handled correctly, a manufacturer can still build reliable vehicles.

    TagMan
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    Tag, I didn't mean "top dog" in terms of sales. None of the domestics are overacheivers. But in terms of all out luxury, the SRX is what Caddy should've been all this time. You won't mistake it for an RX or Range Rover, but it is better in some respects than many of it's competitors.

    I still can't believe that it makes C&D's Top 5 trucks all the time.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    What this only proves is that, yes, even the quality king has problems. Did anyone ever expect Dell to be in the shape it's in, the all-out king of computers? No.

    Toyota has problems. Just like the General. Just like Ford. Even like it's homeland competitor Mitsu.

    May it be corruption, scandal, or plain lack of useability/attention of the brand, they all have their problems.

    But Toyota's problem is unique in that it can have an X amount of recalls but their sales never waver. Sure it makes headline news, particularly here in the States. But is it a deal breaker for someone looking at that sporty Camry SE V-6? Absolutely not.

    OTOH, when it comes to "world domination", it's easier said than done. It's pure economic sense. GM has stables in 6 continents and 96 countries. Toyota is really a start up company in East Europe and next-door-neighbor, China. Almost obsolete in the Land Down Under. So it's gonna take more than "we're Toyota" to have the king's crown. It can be done, but not this decade.....
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    OTOH, when it comes to "world domination", it's easier said than done.

    I just wanted to make it clear, given the way the posts were going, that there is a distinct difference between recalls and reliability.

    "World domination" doesn't happen overnight. But, Toyota certainly is on a track that could get them there.

    There are other factors at play here, as well. Particularly regarding the energy scenario. GM has recently patented some of its hydrogen fuel engineering, and while I don't think it will necessarily hurt Toyota, I do think that it represents that the automobile industry is in such a massive and unprecedented transition, and that there will be major rewards for innovation when the dust settles . . . and GM certainly has the potential to be innovative.

    TagMan
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,779
    Yep, looks like our love affair is over. The California Attorney General filed suit today against the top 6 auto makers alledging billions of dollars of damage to the CA environment because of green house gas emissions.

    Extorting billions from tobacco wasn't enough for these crooks. Their quest for deep pockets continues. Gimme a break!

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • Regarding: What this only proves is that, yes, even the quality king has problems. Did anyone ever expect Dell to be in the shape it's in, the all-out king of computers? No.
    Toyota has problems. Just like the General. Just like Ford. Even like it's homeland competitor Mitsu.


    Having more recalls is not the same as having poor quality.

    As of now, the JD-Power and Consumer Report's evaluation of Toyota cars are still top-notch. We can start the doomsaying for Toyota, after CR finds any significant change.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    You may want to re-read your JDP report. No Toyota is not at the top, it's that brand that only a short 10 years ago was the laughing stock in the auto world, and that brand is Hyundai.

    BTW: CR is for losers....
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    As usual, very well put. Understood and agreed.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Where on earth are you getting those figures?
    Do these figures include the Ford Pinto, Torino and Mercury Capri?


    The figures are very real. From Detroit news:

    The Dearborn automaker has recalled 6.7 million vehicles worldwide since January 2005 that are equipped with a Texas Instruments speed control deactivation switch that has been linked to dozens of engine fires and has sparked numerous lawsuits.

    If the combined total of 6.7 million vehicles called back -- including 5.8 million in the United States -- were a single recall, it would be the fourth-largest ever, behind a 1996 Ford recall of 7.9 million vehicles for ignition switches and two by General Motors Corp., according to NHTSA data.

    Full link here

    Toyota has a long way to go before they can match the domestics for "recall all-stars".
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    You may want to re-read your JDP report. No Toyota is not at the top, it's that brand that only a short 10 years ago was the laughing stock in the auto world, and that brand is Hyundai.

    Well, I've predicted before that lexicans would be defending their favorite brand from koreancarfans in 10 years or so.

    On the other hand, as regards JDP, most people consider the VDS more important than IQS.

    VDS rankings 2006

    IQS rankings 2006
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,653
    As of now, the JD-Power and Consumer Report's evaluation of Toyota cars are still top-notch. We can start the doomsaying for Toyota, after CR finds any significant change.

    Wouldn't that be a notch below Buick and Cadillac?

    Luckily the individuals that designed and manufactured my “old” 99 A6 didn't read any of these publications; my A6 was more reliable than my subsequent Honda.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Well, I've predicted before that lexicans would be defending their favorite brand from koreancarfans in 10 years or so.

    It will be interesting to see how Hyundai does in the 2009 VDS report. Their quality has improved quite a bit since '03.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Yes, they should move up, we'll have to see by how much.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Ok Lexusguy and KillerBunny,

    I stand corrected.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Our local dealer's row (BMW, Lexus, Audi, Mercedes, Chevy, Toyota, Land Rover, Mini and Chrysler) has pulled together to fund/build a test track in which customers can put their potential purchases though some tight turns and a bumpy road section. There is also a hill-climb section for Land Rover buyers. It isn't anything huge, but it is the first one I've seen.

    Oh, went to see the VW Eos yesterday and couldn't take it on a test drive due to their only being one sales personal on duty for the first 6 hours everyday! This is a large VW dealer twinned with a Buick dealer, but the VW side has only 2 salespeople. There is a lot wrong with this picture!

    M
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Someone posted a few days back that Toyota was looking to boost global production by some outlandishly high number (40%?) by 2008. Looks like the real plan is more like 11%:

    Toyota forecast global vehicle sales would grow to 9.8 million units in 2008 from an expected 8.85 million units this year, supported by the planned addition of 1.13 million units in output capacity worldwide between 2006 and 2008. reuters story
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Oh, went to see the VW Eos yesterday and couldn't take it on a test drive due to their only being one sales personal on duty for the first 6 hours everyday! This is a large VW dealer twinned with a Buick dealer, but the VW side has only 2 salespeople. There is a lot wrong with this picture!

    Despite a lack of sales people, I think the Eos is going to make life very tough (tougher?) for Volvo and their C70. The VW will cost less, but offer more power and of course the DSG, which is light years ahead of any Volvo tip-autobox.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Recalls to me, are not an indicator of reliability issues. They are almost all safety related in one way or another, and it is a signal more of a consience than bad product. Regardless of who it is, a recall doesn't damage their reputation with me. As with Mitsubishi - they denied problems for years that Toyota would have recalled and dealt with.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Oh, went to see the VW Eos yesterday...

    Which one? . . . since there will be the standard version and the more powerful/featured model.

    This is a large VW dealer twinned with a Buick dealer, but the VW side has only 2 salespeople. There is a lot wrong with this picture!

    Now that the Eos has arrived, maybe they'll take a giant step up to 3 sales people. ;)

    What did you think of the Eos so far, from what you were able to see without test driving?

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Here's the link:

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    TagMan
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