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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    How were the steering and the brakes in the GS450h?
    That adaptive steering and the sensitive brakes in the GS430 were deal-breakers for me.

    Well to me on such a short handling course they felt normal, I'd have to drive the GS back to back with a 5-Series or something to be able to tell an immediate difference. I didn't use the brakes much if you know what I mean. ;) I didn't notice any grabbiness or an overly sensitve pedal though.

    They didn't have any competitor cars there this year for the IS and GS test drive, only the 7/S for the LS.

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Okay. In the short amount of time given to you, which vehicle impressed you more, the GS450h or the LS460?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well of course the big event was driving the LS460L since I'd driven the GS before and the hybrid didn't really "feel" any different from the regular GS models.

    So I'd have to say the LS460L made the best impression. I'm not a fan of the GS' look regardless of how slick in operation it is.

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Okay. Thanks for the interview! :)
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484

    Did you spend any time working the features of the cars? Is the COMAND better than Lexus' console set-up?

    Check the rear seat comfort of the 2 cars?

    You're difinitive statement on the LS' torque curve/tranny, please.

    Which car is quieter?

    Were there any features/idiosyncracies that made you pause when entering/starting the cars?

    The LS had the standard suspension, yes?

    As per my invitation, I am expecting to see an S550, 3-series, 5-series, and 750 when I roll next month. That will make or break the event for me, as that is what I was told to expect, and it will indicate the level of confidence I expect from Lexus.

    Greatness many times is defined by one's expectations. ;)

  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    I need to decide whether to bring the whole family, or just go myself. Last time I went to a Lexus event, they had arcade games and other kid stuff....did you notice anything like that at Chicago?
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,862
    Europhiles seem to be obsessed with the new LS 460. It has its own board you know. If that car is all you are going to discuss, why not do it over there.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • Yeah weird, My wife has an FX so when going for service I've had G35 keys thrown to me on two different occasions. Now taking in to consideration that it was a very short autocross track, and my first time through [of 2] I had a little to much steering input which will bind up a chassis a little [getting used to the track of course :P ] but instead of tail out, it was a fair amount of nose dive.
    I think it was a tire issue but I forgot to check. I wish I would have as my conspiracy theory tail is standing strait up.

    On another note, if we were discussing poor Audi commercials on this thread? I just saw a BMW one, same as Audi. X5 on mountain road--DTM race car--flower blooming--X5 on mountain road--DTM race car--flower blooming. Rinse, repeat.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Speaking of the X5, here is a funny video. Well, maybe not so funny for the guy who had to get out of the way.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    What's the difference where it's discussed? And it's not a question of Europhiles being "obsessed" with anything. The LS is new, and if anything, we're all interested in what's NEW.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Well at least many of us "Europhiles" are making a commitment to drive the new LS.
    I don't see any Lexus folks doing the same with MB, BMW or Audi vehicles.
    Sounds like we "Europhiles" are a lot more flexible than you give us credit for.

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Talk about "body lean." :surprise:
  • The positive posts on here regarding the new LS make me even more excited, and determined to go to the "taste" with an open mind. I don't think any Euro car fan here has ever had any trouble calling a car out on what it does do, and does not do best. Insults have been thrown around on both sides, I've done it, and have it done back, no big deal. We are all grown men here. [hopefully] Let's discuss our passion and not "pick up our toys and go home" when we here something we don't like.
    Once again, sorry to anyone that I've been insulting to on this board or any other. But, it goes both ways.
    The new LS raises the bar, apparently, here's to Audi raising the bar with the next set of platform mods. [sound of glass raising]
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Thanks Tagman,

    Good C & D article. Despite the sedan being 22 pounds heavier than the coupe it still manages to be one tenth of a second faster (4.8 sec. 0 to 60mph)? Not bad IMO.

    I may have to lose some weight myself in order to achieve C & D's performance.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    here's to Audi raising the bar with the next set of platform mods. [sound of glass raising]

    CLINK! And cheers.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Gee, that's funny, Porsche is German, and seems to do just great in JDP surveys.

    I dont really follow JDP surveys as closely as I should. But based on what I remember the latest JDP stats indicates that Porsche was top in Quality surveys for the first 90 days of ownership. Based on three years of ownership Porsche ranks below average.

    Not impressive IMO, unless someone intends to buy/lease a new Porsche for only 90 days.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Yes and no. For 2006, Porsche was below average in the VDS...a function, I think, of the Cayenne. But in 2005, they were number 2. The Cayenne issues have I think been resolved, so eventually they should move back up in the VDS.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    How were the steering and the brakes in the GS450h?
    That adaptive steering and the sensitive brakes in the GS430 were deal-breakers for me.

    The GS350 carries all of the 300's equipment over. No VDIM means no VGRS steering. I'm not sure if the GS V6 has an electric or hydraulic rack, but it definitely is better than the V8's. Electric steering hasn't been perfected yet, and any sort of variable ratio system just seems to amplify the problems of electric steering exponentially. Even the steering feel masters BMW fall into this trap. I don't remember having any problems with the brakes when I drove the GS300.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I was referring to the GS430.

    I had no problem with the GS300-its steering and brakes were fine-actually had more of a low-torque jolt than the 545 when just giving it a little gas. If the 545 deal fell through, I may have leased a GS300. I found the GS300 to be an entertaining car.

    The difference (and it's a big one) with the adaptive steering is on the BMW it's optional (thank heavens) and on the GS430 it wasn't. I would not have leased a 545 if it came with adaptive steering.
    I wanted to know if the GS450h mimicked the GS430 with its artificial adaptive steering and overly sensitive brakes.

    Lexus ruined what should have been a most entertaining vehicle (GS430) with electronic meddling overload.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I think future M3s will become a problematical issue for BMW.

    BMW has to make sure their "bread and butter" 3 series cars are able to compete with beefier G35s and IS350s. And at the same time it is not in BMWs interest to make the basic 3 series too potent or else they may cannibalize M series sales.

    The soon to be V8 M3 will be one powerful car. But the differences between the V8 M3 and the 335i will not be even close to the significant differences between the e30 M3s and 325is of the 1980s or even the differences between the more current e46 models.

    BMWs recent performance boost for their plain vanilla 3 series will make the M3 a harder sell in the future than they were in the past. IMO the performance gaps between future M and basic BMW models wills only shrink further. To the point where justifying the extra price of a M series will become a bigger issue for buyers.
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