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  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Have you seen the GM TV ad currently running that says 90% of their cars get at least 30 mpg highway?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Yes!

    And I dont think we will ever see a GM Ad boasting about their Truck/SUV MPG figures for city driving.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    This from a man who heads up the same company that depends on suvs and large pickups for their survival! This is said as GM gets ready to roll out their most important vehicles of all, full-size pickups! What am I missing here?

    The answer to your question could be the Sequel. The gas-alternative route seems to be GM's new Crusade. I just hope GM will live up to its hype.

    SOURCE: FORTUNE Sept. 20th, 2006

    The Sequel, GM (Charts) immodestly proposes, is the greatest leap forward since Karl Benz rolled out his gasoline-powered three-wheel bicycle in 1886. "GM has reinvented the automobile," brags Larry Burns, vice president of R&D.

    The Sequel is a genuinely bold and innovative engineering achievement. DaimlerChrysler (Charts) and Toyota (Charts) have put a few fuel-cell buses in service, and Honda (Charts) has leased one fuel-cell-powered car, but GM has gone farther than any of its rivals to develop a car that burns no gas, produces no harmful emissions--and that normal people wouldn't mind driving.

    It has already invested $1 billion in the program and might spend another billion before it gets a fuel-cell car into mass production. After losing $10.6 billion in 2005, it is a wonder that the company can afford it. But GM vice chairman Bob Lutz is so enthusiastic that he is willing to delay conventional new models to get a fuel-cell car into production. "It's a game changer," Lutz says

    Honda and BMW are both experimenting with liquid hydrogen as a fuel for conventional engines; BMW announced it is putting 100 hydrogen-fueled cars on the road next year. GM's is a fundamentally different bet, leapfrogging past traditional engines altogether.


    No wonder Lutz wants the government to impose hefty gas taxes. He is very worried that by the time Sequel is introduced gas prices will drop to about $1.20 a gallon and GM will have to pull the plug on the Sequel.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Uh...Lutz, GM doesn't have enough small cars or enough that people would even want to buy in order to offset the sales losses if the Feds did what you're asking! Hello earth to Yutz? You're calling for buyers to revert to the vehicles with the slimmest profit margins at a time when GM is dying?

    Quite. They would be handing whatever marketshare they have left to Japan and Korea. Their Daewoos aren't competitive in the ultra compact space.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    This from a man who heads up the same company that depends on suvs and large pickups for their survival! This is said as GM gets ready to roll out their most important vehicles of all, full-size pickups! What am I missing here?

    What are you missing?

    Well, with all due respect to you, one of our great posters, let me just say that I see this as nothing more than PR, pure and simple.

    It's the same as the tobacco companies' ads which suggest that smokers should stop smoking.

    Do you believe them? And you know it's PR?

    Don't believe Lutz, either.

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    This has to be the worst 48 hours I have ever experienced in terms of HELM news. I cant find any news from media/web sites worth posting here.

    Oh well at least there is always tomorrow or after-tomorrow.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Have you seen the GM TV ad currently running that says 90% of their cars get at least 30 mpg highway? +

    No I can't say that I remember seeing that one. Interesting though. Lutz still doesn't realize what he is talking about though because most small GM cars are crap next to the competition and when people thing MPG they run to Honda and Toyota small cars, not GM's.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well, with all due respect to you, one of our great posters, let me just say that I see this as nothing more than PR, pure and simple.

    Do you believe them? And you know it's PR?

    Of course Tag, I'm just shocked by it! Especially when GM has so much riding on their new pickups this fall. Maybe he should keep quiet for a while. Dewey's post on this is very interesting though!

    M
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Of course Tag, I'm just shocked by it! Especially when GM has so much riding on their new pickups this fall. Maybe he should keep quiet for a while. Dewey's post on this is very interesting though!

    Yes, I like Dewey's post. . . and regarding the Sequel, just maybe Lutz is actually a visionary, and instead of jumping all over him, we'll all be praising him down the road. Who knows? Either way, he's got a tough job ahead.

    TagMan
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,770
    I guess Mr. Lutz should get out of the car biz and get into politics!! ;)

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460

  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    I'm sorry for neglecting my fellow brethern, but I've just got done doing a 100-mile blast in the new S8.

    First things first: THIS CAR IS A AWESOME. Very few cars nowadays can make me say that, but this is one of the few.

    The shorter by 5" wheelbase really makes this hi-po car what it is. Like I've related before, it's not as edgy as an M or RS car, and not as punchy as the higher-echelon AMG 55 and 65's, but it will flat out roll with the best of them, all the while not sending you to the chiropractor in the process.

    For 100 large, this definetely the bargin of the big cars, particularly now that all AMG's push north of 100k , whereas last year you could get an S55 for 90+k.

    I did have reservations about the ultra-low 35 series tires, but the 4-position air-suspension has the perfect settings. And with my W12 boasting 20" wheels with the Sport-pkg, so the ride harshness is nil.

    The interior is the usual Audi pace-setting standard, with no detail overlooked.

    On one note: This the first German car I've had since my 911 that actually "barks" upon cold start-up. Exhilarating to say the least.

    Also, when I came to pick up the car, I asked could I get a matching R8, and the owner said how long do I have? I replied how long is long? He said well you can be put on the wait list in 3 years, so figure 5 for the car....
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    GM, the car company with the worst CAFE standards in the industry, doesn't have room to talk about raising the cost of gas, particularly since that owner that wasn't worried much about the cost of fuel that bought that new '00 Surburban wants a new '07 only to find out that it'll cost him more in fuel than what the car payment is.

    Or the fact that the Northstar-powered Caddy DTS and Buick Lucerne is in fact slower to 60, clumisier, and less reliable and sporty than a comparable Avalon 3.5L V6, yet the Avalon acheives 31 hwy. MPG, whilr offering 6 sec. flat 0-60 and a 270hp motor.

    Or the fact that the Pontiac Solstice, as small as it is, got a lowsy 16mpg in the city in 3 different publication's tests.

    Or the fact that it's old-as-dinosaurs minivans get worst mileage than the ancient but reigning champ Chrysler twins, but they all are behind the most powerful Honda

    Fuel and GM in the same sentence? Get oudahere.

    Once, I was behind the GM renaissance with the rebirth of the Camaro, the all-RWD Pontiacs, the RWD Impala's, and the total re-emergence of Caddy(again). And replete with an awesome truck line, fuel should've been the last thing that came out of that dinosaur's mouth..........
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    just because GM says they sell so many cars that get x amount of fuel economy doesn't mean they do. Let's give credit where credit is due. This guy is the head of the company that is answering the questions that only guys like Rockylee is asking. My wife [a doctor] says that there are kinds of tumors that when pressed against a specific part of the brain will force that individual to say anything on their mind with no common sense, or socially acceptable filter. Clutz errrr Lutz has a career as a comedian.
    Now, on to more important subjects. Blkhemi, pictures please, and then more pictures. Your posting my favorite kind of car porn, the kind with four rings :blush:
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Lutz is a klutz

    Well who knows? BTW, congratulations on your new ride!

    So sad, that GM's in the ruts.
    Hey, let's all just blame Mister Lutz.
    And tell the world he's only a klutz.
    While with GM he will tinker and futz,
    Sell more gas-guzzlers? He's gotta be nuts!
    A loser, this Lutz?, Some say he's a putz!
    Is it time for less benefits and time for job cuts?
    Think the Sequel and fuel-cells can solve all, Mister Lutz?
    Well of this I am certain . . .right now to be Lutz, and get GM out of the ruts,
    Means our dear Mister Lutz will have to have guts.
    'Cause Toyota is lurking ... No if's, and's, or but's!

    Sorry guys, I'm not the best poet, but I couldn't resist!

    :D

    TagMan
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You've noticed that too huh.

    M
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    with a certain someone on the monthly car mag rag?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    What surprises me Merc is that the Fortune article actually stirred me to feel a pulse. No GM article has ever done that before.

    I think I am the sole forum member here who finds Lutz's fuel cell bet as admirable. Four years hence we are going to find out if Lutz will become the greatest automotive visionary in the 21st century or the greatest buffoon in the 21st century.

    GM history is riddled with timidity ( see the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car") And now Lutz is willing to bet the bank on a very disruptive and a uncertain technology. At least we can say that Lutz is not timid.

    Here is a link to that Fortune article:

    GM SEQUEL
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Sorry guys, I'm not the best poet, but I couldn't resist!

    But you certainly are reputed to be among the best automobile poets in this HELM forum. I think your lyrics could be used for an upcoming musical about GM. ;)
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I think I am the sole forum member here who finds Lutz's fuel cell bet as admirable. Four years hence we are going to find out if Lutz will become the greatest automotive visionary in the 21st century or the greatest buffoon in the 21st century.

    sole forum member? . . . read my earlier post 19444. ;)

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Oops!

    OK let me make a correction. At least there are only two members on this planet who respects Lutz's fuel cell vision ;)
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