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High End Luxury Cars

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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Thanks, houdini.
    My wife's everyday use seems a bit more complicated somehow. Don't ask me why, but she needs to put those extra seats up and then down quite often . . . too often for those flip-flop seats, I'm afraid. This is why she ruled out the GX or LX. I've posted this before.

    The previous GMC Denali XL was so darned big, she could leave the third row up and still have the enormous room she needed. Easy enough. Problem was, the vehicle had reached the end of its usable life, and we weren't going down the "giant" suv road again. Darned thing only got 12 mpg and was near impossible for her to park in certain situations. Also, the repairs were really major at times.

    So, our goal was a reliable SUV, reasonable on gas, reasonable size, with a functional 3rd-row. Lexus was first (surprised?) on the list until those rear seats blew the deal.

    So, she selected an Acura MDX, in the beginning of this year, loaded with everything possible, and it has been fine for her. Not even one service issue. When the GL came out I thought I had the chance to offer her an upgrade, but then I figured I might as well wait for the diesel.

    In the meantime, I've recently wanted an SUV of my own, because there are times when I've got my son and and his friends and I take him to his different sports with all the gear, etc., but I don't need a 7-passenger like my wife does. That's why I was checking out the Range Rover Sport. If I'm going to have an additional SUV, it might as well be a really cool one, IMO. I'll check out the Cayenne and X5 as well.

    So, the Lexus is out for her, but for me, I dont want a "mainstream" SUV. So, I won't get one. As you must already know by now, my vehicle needs don't always make a lot of sense. I just want to enjoy my vehicles as much as possible. That's why the Lotus and Jag, and the upcoming Porsche Targa (to replace the Lotus).

    Anyway, I know that the Lexus SUV's are nice. If my wife would have been good with the third-row seats, we'd have one in the garage right now. Now, as far as the rest of the Lexus vehicles go, I doubt I would ever own one . . . because in all honesty, even though they are very well made, and I know that they are, they never seem to interest me enough. When I look at them, I don't feel anything at all. But as I said, I know they are darned good vehicles, and I don't want Lexus fans to misunderstand me. I just don't like the way they look or drive for some unknown reason.

    TagMan
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Syswei your risk aversion ceases to amaze me.

    Your obsession with reliability will deprieve you of wonderful driving experiences.

    In my case I will choose a higher level of unreliability for the sake of improved driveability. When buying a car I willl intentionally pay extra for low profile performance tires. With such a choice my tires, wheels and suspension parts will be more suseptible to road hazards and damage.

    Do I care? Ofcourse I do. But the extra costs and risks involved do not even come cloes to the pleasures I will gain with such tires.

    If I wanted to pursue risklessness I would take the subway home instead of driving my car. I would forgo eating the foie gras at restaurants in order to avoid artery clogging issues. . I would forgo everything I desire in life.

    IMO reliability and risklessness is far too over-rated!
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,863
    Well, as long as they keep chasing each other it is good for us, right? It is absolutely scary just how good most of these cars have become in the last few years. Just change the oil on a regular basis and drive the things a couple of hundred thousand miles. What in the world would someone who had never known anything but a Model T think if they sat in and drove one of these luxury cars that we all take for granted?

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Your obsession with reliability will deprive you of wonderful driving experiences.

    Words of wisdom. I agree.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Lexus will edge closer and closer and BMW will keep moving the sport bar higher and higher. Likewise don't be surprised if one day if BMWs start to top the reliability surveys.

    If they are working towards each other (Lexus getting more sporty, BMW getting more reliable - neither of which I know of as true), then surely the car market can satisfy most people!

    On a different topic:

    I live in AL, and am dissappointed at the quality (or lack thereof) of vehicles coming from the Mercedes' coming from the Vance plant. On the contrary, the Honda plant in Talledega is on its fifth year of producing reliable products (Pilot, Odyssey). It had its 5th anniversary Monday if I remember correctly.

    Either way, Alabamians are happy about the vehicle assembly plants coming our way (we also have Hyundai building Sonatas and Santa Fes near Montgomery, supposedly some of the best quality vehicles Hyundai has produced, ever).
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Your obsession with reliability will deprive you of wonderful driving experiences.

    Words of wisdom. I agree.


    My father once left his practical side to get a "fun" car; a convertible that from a car company not known for being reliable. It was a fun car for the 5 months he drove it (he owned it 8 months, but spent the better part of 3 months in the shop). He went back to finding a more reliable "fun" car after that.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Hey, don't worry, no one was saying that MB's Alabama plant had issues because of the Alabama workforce.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Welcome, grad! :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Oh, I know it, but it's actually what I was thinking in my head. It looks bad for us! Nobody was being derogatory towards Alabama, (though they have been on another board).

    I don't drive a luxury car, but I enjoy reading this board and may start posting every now and then. Thanks for the welcome!

    I frequent the Honda boards, so come say hi on my end of the site some time!
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    My father once left his practical side to get a "fun" car; a convertible that from a car company not known for being reliable. It was a fun car for the 5 months he drove it (he owned it 8 months, but spent the better part of 3 months in the shop). He went back to finding a more reliable "fun" car after that.

    Welcome to the board!

    I don't think dewey's original post, as re-posted below:

    Your obsession with reliability will deprive you of wonderful driving experiences.

    was ever meant to suggest that we should completely trash the idea of reliability. As I understood it, and he and I and others have shared this opinion here on this forum . . . is that it is better to be balanced about our views of reliability.

    It is of questionable value to be obsessed with reliability, as the consequences are obvious . . . dramatically reduced fun experiences and less choices that could otherwise broaden our horizons.

    On the other hand, as your dad learned and taught you very well I imagine, there can be consequences to completely ignoring the genuine virtues of reliability.

    The key is balance and moderation, IMO. But ultimately, people are wired differently, and our needs and tolerances can be dramatically different. There is no right or wrong here. But I do believe that there is something to be said for not being too obsessive at either end of the spectrum.

    I look forward to more of your posts, and I appreciated your perspective on the assembly plants by different manufacturers. It clarifies that the good folks from Alabama (and elsewhere) are well-qualified to build reliable vehicles, if just given well-engineered parts, the right tools, a good working environment, and quality-focused procedures.

    BTW, what was the first unreliable fun car that your dad purchased? And then the second more reliable fun car? Just curious, of course.

    TagMan
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    BTW, what was the first unreliable fun car that your dad purchased? And then the second more reliable fun car? Just curious, of course.

    The unreliable fun car was a 1997 Chrysler Sebring Convertible (beautiful car though). He replaced it with a Civic Si.

    Now, we have three Accords in our house! (Practical to the extreme, right?) One of them is my old H.S. car, a 1996. My new one is a 2006 sedan EX(I wanted a Civic Si myself, but I'm 6'4"!). His daily driver is a 2005 Accord EX sedan now.

    (we aren't in the wealthy realm, comfortably in the middle class, so we don't really shop in the realm of cars in this thread).
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    we don't really shop in the realm of cars in this thread

    But, you can post here and share your opinions, views, and knowledge about these HELCs anytime you want, even if you don't own any car at all. BTW, I've always had a soft spot for Hondas! At 6'4", access may be limited. ;)

    TagMan
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    The GL is still in it's early stages.

    True, it's platformate ML has suffered some minor woes, but this doesn't seem to be inherit of the R-Class, altho there are far to few to tell.

    IMHO, I think that GL will do just fine. Judging from people that have had them since the spring, they appear very pleased with it.

    This is not to say it will be without problems, particularly a first year model for any make.

    But the quality woes that plagued MB at the turn of the century seem to have faded away, particularly on all of the new product.

    There are people with 10-20k miles on new S-Classes that are reporting 0 probs after 10 months of use. This time in 2000, MB was backlogged with S430's and S500's that had Airmatic and COMAND problems.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    I see you're going al fresca with the Targa? Nice choice. Selling the Lotus?

    I would love to have a new 911 Turbo Cab but (1) I value my marriage too much to buy another car for this year, and (2) There is no room anyway.

    I hear Porsche opened and closed a Targa top on a new 997 1 million times without the roof failing. Now that's engineering for ya!

    The same with the convertibles. The run them through a torture test before leaving the factory. And if it leaks, it doesn't leave, unlike many carmakers.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I see you're going al fresca with the Targa? Nice choice. Selling the Lotus?

    Yes, the Lotus will be history, but I don't regret the short time with it. It will have been a genuine kick. If everything goes as expected, I'll be in the Porsche sometime next week.

    I hear Porsche opened and closed a Targa top on a new 997 1 million times without the roof failing.

    Who gets THAT car? ;)

    TagMan
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    If I recall, you only had the Lotus for a matter of months? What led to the change of heart?
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    If I recall, you only had the Lotus for a matter of months? What led to the change of heart?

    No change of heart at all. My post 20991 explains.

    TagMan
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Hope nothing happens to worsen your injury, because, heaven forbid, you might end up in a Lexus! ;)

    Congrats on the Porsche.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Didn't you say that getting in and out of the Lotus was pretty much a challenge? That didn't cause your injury, did it? I'm very sorry to hear about that.
  • blkhemiblkhemi Posts: 1,717
    "Who gets THAT car?"

    Hopefully it stayed in Germany with all of the other test mules, like the Cayman S that circled "the Ring" for 6 months without a break, or breaking for that matter.

    And that is how Porsche will remain the primal threat to all in it's class for some time to come. May also be the reason that the cars are so reliable, tops in German brands hands down. However, when the time does arouse for maintenance, it will bury you alive if the preventive hasn't been completed, like the mandatory 15k mile interval that "deep cleans" the engine and fuel systems.

    One thing that I've come to learn about the 911's are that the tires don't last no more than 20k miles, no matter the brand or how you drive the car to get to that 20k miles.

    But to be fair, I've replaced my Z06's tires all around @ 25k miles, so it's to be expected, but oddly, the rears on the 911's go before the fronts do, no doubt related to the rear mounted engine.
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