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Audi A4 2004 and earlier

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  • jdbtensaijdbtensai Posts: 122
    or at least a varied set of cars. a passat or a highlander, an audi or a landrover, or maybe a saab 9-5? :)
    good decision.
  • jagboyxkrjagboyxkr Posts: 53
    Has anyone else seen the new A4 convertible? It resembles the style of the new A4 sedan, but there are noticeable differences in the body panels besides having no fixed roof. Even the interior is different. I was wondering if Audi is planning to replace the style of the new A4 sedans built in the next few years with body panels that are closer to those of the convertible, or if they want to keep the designs and styles separate. The cost of production would be higher to have the cars not share components, and most other companies have their sedan and the convertible based off of it share many body panels to cut costs. The A4 sedan and convertible don't even share bumper panels or paint! Even the headlights and taillights are different units on each design. Also, is Audi planning a coupe version of the new A4? And, will the new S4 be based off of the new A4 sedan or the coupe/convertible? I'd hate to buy a brand new 2002 A4 sedan and find out that Audi is replacing the body panels of the 2003 or 2004 A4 sedan with ones that are the same as the new convertible's.
  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    I would doubt if Audi would replace body panels on the 2003 or 2004 sedan that soon. The older A4 bodystyle lasted from 96 to 01 here in US.

    I think the most expensive car component is the chassis. I believe the convertible shares that with the sedan. Bodypanels are just cosmetic fixes and they are not that expensive. Just like the Accord coupe and sedan which look different on the outside but are actually sharing the same chassis. The new S4 definitely bases itself on the sedan. I would think Audi will do the same thing as the 00 to 02 S4, which means they will drop a more powerful powerplant (currently most likely a 4.2L NA V8, but all of us would like to see a 2.9L twin-turbo V6), and put some more aggressive body panels and wheels and maybe a lip spoiler on it. It better beats the new M3's 333hp.....and would it be nice if the convertible can have the new S4 engine.....an S4 convertible.....mmmmmm is AoA listening????

    Billy
  • bburton1bburton1 Posts: 395
    Heard a rumor Audi is introducing a Constantly Variable Transmission in one of their vehicles. Anybody know any specifics about this. It is an old idea but to date no one has been able to design one that will work with a relatively powerful engine. Lots of potential advantages-essentially a direct drive automatic-really cool if it works. Hats to Audi/VW or whomever if they have pulled this one off.
  • gooniesgoonies Posts: 24
    how much lower does the sports equipped a4 sit compared to the non sports? does quattro make a difference? thanks
  • visordocvisordoc Posts: 48
    bburton: CVT is already here. It is available as the auto transmission for the Front-Trak (ie. fwd) new Audi A4's and A6's. Audi's next move is to integrate CVT with its Quattro.

    goonies: answers: 3/4 inch; yes, big difference. Sales stats show that over 90% of A4's in North America are sold with Quattro. Quattro itself defines Audi.
  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    I think you want to know if vehicles with Quattro has a lowered suspension vs non Quattro. No it makes no difference in height, at least not the published figures, if you ignore the additional weight of Quattro exert on the suspension. I know BMW 3 series equipped with AWD xi rides higher than the RWD siblings.

    Billy
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,069
    I picked up the new European Car magazine today -- the issue is chock full of Audi and VW information.

    Including this:

    There is a 265HP Audi 4 cylinder engine that will be put into the new (2003) TT. Also there was a mention of a new 300 HP V6 that will be in the upcoming "S4" and will soon be made available for the TT. British CAR magazine says new S4 will have available a 340 HP V8, presumablly the same one that is in the S6 Avant here in the US.

    When I see the word available, I get excited, 'cause as much as I am lusting for more HP and torque, I think a 300HP V6 in a new A4 body with appropriate suspension bits would be better balanced and, I assume, would have the same early-on torque as the current 2.7T. The 4.2 IMHO is Audi's most versitile engine, but only when it is twin turbo'd. In the US, an up-powered V6 (2.9T) in an A4 would be my choice if there are options available between the V6 and V8 -- as I said, I would love an S4 and an S4+ with the differentiation being the # of cylinders.

    And, wouldn't it be just dandy if the 225HP 1.8T or the purported 2.0T makes its way into the A4?

    The new direction I read about in both the newest CAR and European Car magazine for Audi is incredible.

    Even the possible (short term) VW's with the W8 engine are at the very least "interesting" as Mr. Spock used to say.

    And BTW if you are looking for what's up with the Audi and VW product line, effective March 2002, check out the British magazine CAR (March 2002).
  • gooniesgoonies Posts: 24
    thanks for the replies visordoc n lauk0dg. lauk got what i meant on my question, though. the a4 is a great ride. i will be joining you guys soon. im waiting to see if all the speculation of new engines or upgrades plus painted lowers ect, ect. will be available next year.
  • nicksdnicksd Posts: 2
    Hey everyone,

    Lately I've been thinking of buying a 2002 Audi A4 1.8T. I have a few questions though, that I was hoping some of you might be able to help with. Here they are:

    1.) I want to get the sports suspension, but I'm worried about the tires. I live in Southern California so 99% of the time I won't be in snow but there will be times I'll want to drive in the mountains and it is possible I'll be in the snow. Is it possible to get the sport package with all-weather tires or is that not recommended?

    2.) I like the fact that the base stereo comes with an in-dash 6-CD changer. I like good quality audio, however, and was wondering if the Bose is worth the extra $600. How is the stock stereo? If I upgrade to the Bose, will it still have the 6-CD changer?

    3.) When will information on the 2003 A4's come out? Does anyone think there will be any substantial differences in the 2003 A4 that would be worth waiting for rather than buying a 2002 this summer?

    4.) I live in San Diego, CA. Anyone have experience with Audi dealers around here? If so, please let me know any suggestions.

    Thanks!
  • lucas7lucas7 Posts: 6
    Hi everyone,

    I am in the market for a A4 3.0 since my lease is up. I am having difficulties deciding on wheather to get the the 3.0 quattro manual vs. 3.0 CVT (continous variable? transmission). I have heard both pro and cons for either choice. Btw, I am not interested in the tiptronic due to the higher cost, higher fuel consumption and slower acceleration.

    If I get the 3.0 with the CVT, the resale value may be lower, since it does not have quattro.

    If I get the 3.0 with quattro and 6-speed manual it may be hard to sell, since the majority of drivers these days prefer automatic, plus manual may get old if one gets stuck in traffic often.

    I am also wondering if the CVT is as much fun to drive as the quattro 6-speed?

    Thanks for your responses and opinions,
    Luca7
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,407
    nicksd...get the sport suspension. If you really think you'll need tires for when you go skiing, then wait the 20,000 miles for the and buy high performance all season tires (some consider this an oxymoron, but they are made). I can't make a statement on the bose vs. base stereo, but a friend of mine has the Bose and it is great! Wait for 2003? The A4 as it is was just introduced in October of this year as a brand new model. changes for 2003 will be minimal if any (I'm sure markincinncinati will correct me if I'm wrong).

    lucas...Buy the car for yourself, not someone else 5 years down the road. If you're concerned with resale values, then lease. No matter which car you get, you'll never get what you think its worth when it is time to sell it (unless it is an M car or AMG car). I highly recommend the 3.0 with Quattro and a 6 speed. From the few times I've driven my friend's car configured like that it has been quite enjoyable. The stick is easy to drive, the car with Quattro makes it easy to launch.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • nicksdnicksd Posts: 2
    Thanks for the response. Does your friends Bose still have the in-dash 6-CD changer? Also, with the tires that come with the sport package is it possible to use them in snow conditions at all?
  • jagboyxkrjagboyxkr Posts: 53
    Is Audi going to discontinue the 1.8T engine and replace it with a 2.0T?
  • LanceL99LanceL99 Posts: 39
    I have a 2001 A4 1.8T with the 5-speed manual transmission (26.8K miles). I have been experiencing a worsening problem with second gear and have now taken it to the dealer for repair. It balks going into gear, and sometimes grinds ever so slightly. Additionally, the gear shifter vibrates excessively in second gear and none in the other gears. Lastly, and more curiously, it frequently pops out of second gear when I'm depressing the clutch to shift to third. What's causing this? I've had lots of problems with the car thus far and I'm worried that I'll get fed some B.S. answer.

    Also, does anyone have a problem with rough idiling? They had to take the engine apart to replace the camshaft adjuster in October, and since then it is ocassionally rough at idle. The dealer "decarbonized" the engine, which seemed to help some. I've been using fuel injector cleaner which helps some, too.

    On a positive note, my stereo finally came after a six month wait... Has anyone else had to get a new stereo because it blanks out, etc.?

    Oh, and NITPICKER, one of the loaner A4's I was given had a creaky steering column. I don't know what caused it, but it was creaky and actually felt different than my car. Maybe that's because I have the sport pkg and that car didn't; I'm not sure.

    Anyway, beyond those reliability problems (and others not listed) I like the car. It's just too bad mine is such a piece of junk.

    Thanks!
  • bluetranebluetrane Posts: 67
    OK, all, I will be taking delivery on my Avant in just 2 months now. I will be leasing the car, and I am second guessing myself on how long to make the lease.

    My first impulse was to go 48 months and take full advantage of slightly lower monthlies plus the full scope of the warranty and free maintenance. However, over the last few weeks, I'm wondering if a shorter term might be better. My thinking is 1) assuming I stay with Audi, there are some neat things like CVT with quattro and spunkier powerplants on the way, 2) I may need something larger than the A4 as my kids get bigger, and 3) part of the reason I lease is that I seem to get bored with cars easily, although neither of my last two rides (an ML320 and a first-generation Altima) have done much to stir the soul.

    So, what does this learned group think? I will not be putting any money down, and the payment will be manageable either way.

    Rick
  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    No matter if you opt for Bose or non Bose, the in-dash 6CD changer is standard (sooo jealous). I'd say go with the sports pkg. However, those high performance tires are not for snow conditions. The particles literally freeze up and you won't get enough traction. I'd get dedicated snow tires on 15" steel wheels just for the few trips you go up to the mountains. I know what you are saying though.....I live in Chicago and I'm RIGHT NOW in LA for business and dang, why do I live in Chicago? Here I can have 18" rims with high perf tires running around with no problems......

    Lancel99, I got 16.7k miles on my 2001.5 A4 1.8T. The infamous 2nd gear grind had been giving me some scary gear grinding for 3 or 4 times, but now as long as I give it some patience it's not that difficult to put it in 2nd gear. It's nothing like Honda smooth, but it's doable. Good luck with yours!

    Mark, dang, 265hp on the TT??? That thing will FLY!!!!

    Billy
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,407
    as laukOdg stated, the 6 disc in dash changer is standard on the 3.0. As for the Sport Package Tires, they're worthless not only in snow, but also in any conditions lower than 40 degrees. There's a short piece on Summer Tires in this month's MOTOR TREND. Like I said before, you can either switch to High perfromance all season tires from the get go, switch to the high performance all seasons when your stock rubber wears out, or for the XX days a year you go skiing/snowboarding, get one of your friends to drive or rent an SUV for the day!

    lauOdg...I don't think he'd need a dedicated set of 15" wheels and winter tires in Southern California.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • dej0dej0 Posts: 36
    nicksd - I live in NC, and have the sports package with summer sports on them year round. We get maybe one snowfall a year here, including 10 inches in January. Of course, since they do not plow, it hangs around for a week or so. When there is snow on the ground, I simply slow down. I know that without snow tires I cannot expect nearly the same performance, so I don't even try. I putz along the road, keep big spaces in front of me, don't run high rpms and keep shifting to only places where I am going in a straight line. If you take it easy, you will likely be fine.

    lucas - Definately go with the 3.0 quattro with the 6 speed. I ordered one to replace my 1.8T in january. The dealer cannot keep these things on the lot, I doubt you will experience any trouble reselling it. I bet you will enjoy it much more. Have you driven them? I also agree with nyccarguy, get what you want.

    Ned
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,069
    I have been reading and reporting and wondering what is up with the new Audi's under the hood.

    The car magazines, most notably European Car and the British Car magazine have been writing about what's up at the VW group now that Piech is no longer the top executive.

    Much has been written, and the only article that I believe (mostly) is the one that contains the actual interview with the new top executive, who is called (affectionately, I presume) BP.

    BP claims that the market is having trouble differentiating Audi from VW and that as part of a master plan this will stop -- the first tap on the brakes will actually happen so says BP in calendar 2003 (which will cover model years 2003 and 2004 from both divisions).

    Audi will move up market in sportiness and price -- and over time away from VW.

    VW will move up market in "Classic Cars" and price -- and over time away from Audi.

    The first such moves, IMO, do just the opposite, at least in the US -- and that is the production of the Passat W8, which competes in price with the A4 3.0 quattro and in size with the A6.

    The second move is even more perplexing to me in that the VW Phaeton will come out just about 12 months from now at $71,000+ -- right in the neighborhood of the Audi A8.

    Both the top class cars will use W12 engines.

    Meanwhile, Audi will -- so says BP -- create a stronger sporting identity with more powerful engines, many based on the 4.2, most "cranked" up via turboing.

    For 2003, in the A4, in the US, I think it is safe to say that the base HP rating of the 1.8T if it survives into the 2003 model year will be stated at 180HP -- just like the TT and some of the VW's already state.

    Moveover, it is not beyond the pale that the RUMORED 2.0T engine will become the Audi (US) base engine and that it will have a broad application and a broad tune -- such is the 1.8T today which can be stated as 150HP 170HP 180HP and 225HP -- the 2.0T can with ease, go to 265HP so says EC magazine. And they predict that the TT will soon have the 300 HP version of the 2.9T put under its hood.

    Who knows.

    I would only leave it at the minimum, IMO, for Audi to bump the 1.8T up or out, add an S4 and figure out what to do with what could be the most anemic engine -- the 3.0 V6. I mean who amongst us would take a 220 HP V6 when a 245HP 2.0T will out gun it?

    What do you think?
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