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Audi A4 2004 and earlier

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  • I got the letter too (2001 A4 1.8T )

    Have a new problem with my A4 though. In temps below about 40, my air bag light comes on and will flicker as the car warms up. Only happens in cold weather. Any ideas?

    Also, any DC metro area people have experience with dealer service? I've been going to HBL in Tyson's, but hate them. They hate me too. Worst service ever. How is Rockville? Alexandria?
  • I purchased a 03 A4 5Speed with Sport Package after reading that the coil issue was finally put to rest this past April. Well...I also had the shaking engine upon starting with the Check Engine Light flashing. I turned off the car and restarted and all was fine. The dealership said one of the coils went bad and have replaced all 4 and everything seems fine and the dealership couldn't have been more helpful.

    Does anyone else not have a high idle (1200rpm) when it's below freezing ? When it's warmer than freezing I get the high idle and it will slowly lower as the car warms up but when it's extremely cold I get the normal 750-800rmp idle and it takes forever for the car to warm up. Has anyone else experienced this ? My dealer says it's normal and even the loaner car I had while the coils were being replaced did the same.
  • You may have had one of the earlier built 2003 models that were still subject to faulty ignition coils, but I'm glad that the dealer was able to quickly replace all of them for you.

    For the idle, mine is the same way. No big deal, you can drive it to warm it up faster (higher RPMs).
  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    Davking, I think the warranty extension on the MAF means that they have a settlement with EPA. Like if they show good will that they'll make sure the MAF works and that the EPA won't go after AoA. Typical trick the industry likes to do, instead of recalling all cars and change out the MAF.

    Talonsma, yeah here in Chicago we're experiencing 20F mornings. The idle speed was below 1,000rpm at around 800rpm, whereas during warm weather it was 1,200rpm and come back down to around 800rpm after the car's been driving around for a while. Like cyberpmg said, just drive the car around and avoid extended warm-ups. The manual says the same. I usually just warm it up 15-30 seconds and start driving (not aggressively).

    Billy
  • I hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but can anyone tell me how many front seat cup holders the A4 has? Based on pictures I have seen there looks like there is a "pop-out" cut holder in the console, but that looks like it. Is that the only cup holder and is it sturdy?

    Thanks.

    Tony
  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    For my B5 (96-01) A4, there are two in between the seats, plus the one that you said that pops out from the center console. It's fairly sturdy, although I have to admit the Germans might have over-engineered that piece. There are comments that there had been episodes of coffee spills down the center console and get trapped in between the buttons.

    I think the B6 (02-) A4's have the same number of cup holders and same locations.

    Billy
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,602
    There's no flip out cupholder in the dash of my '98 B5 2.8Q Avant, nor was there one in the '98 sedan I had. Perhaps later B5s had them.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • In the B6 there are two in the armrest between the seats in addition to the one on th dash. They're in a bad location if you have an MT, right at your elbow. So all three aren't very useful IMHO. Only thing i dislike about the car though.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,602
    A4s are for driving not for sipping :^)

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    I am very close to purchasing a 2004 A4 w 1.8T that has California emissions controls. Do these
    "controls" have any significant impact on performance, gas mileage, maintaince or reliablity.
  • "In the B6 there are two in the armrest between the seats in addition to the one on the dash."

    Thanks for the response. The closer I look at the pictures, I figured that must be where the cupholders are located.

    Thanks.
  • Agreed! But a cappucino tastes so much better in my A4 ;)

    Seriously, the interior is nearly flawless, the gauges are very easy to read and the red lighting looks great at night :)
  • 204meca-- It is my understanding that they're all "50 State" cars. The 1.8t is now rated ULEV so it easily meets Northeast and California emission qualifications. According to this thread over at AudiWorld, only the emissions "paperwork" is different in California.

     http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/340172.phtml

    Therefore, there is no impact at all on performance, gas mileage, maintaince or reliablity.

    --'rocco
  • I'm not sure 2004 A4s are "50 state" cars, because my '04 A4 has the CA and Northeast emission package -- for an extra $150. I'd be a little upset if it turns out I paid $150 for just paperwork, and not an emissions system that actually reduces the bad stuff that comes out of the twin exhaust.

    It's not clear to me whether the A4 is "50 state" simply because the extra emissions package can be ordered in any state. If both engines are certified ULEV to begin with, then why are CA and NE buyers forced to pay more?
  • David-- Wow! I didn't realize that there was a $150 charge. From what I was reading over at AudiWorld, it seemed that it was a no-cost "option" so you're absolutely right, there's got to be more than just "paperwork" involved. We should ask that question over there at AudiWorld. I'm curious about that now.

    --'rocco
  • I wouldn't be so quick to call the interior flawless. Those 6 buttons on the radio (radio presets when listening to the radio, CD player controls when listening to a CD) are absolutely terrible. They lack the feel of all the other buttons in the interior, and give the impression of very low quality.

    Of course, those are the 6 buttons I use most often, which probably makes it seem worse than it really is.
  • I'm not here to start a debate, but I think there are many ways in which the A4's interior is flawless, and (sometimes seriously) flawed.

    Flawless:

      -seating position
      -placement of controls
      -lighting, lighting, lighting
      -nicely camouflaged airbags (esp. on pass. side)
      -material quality on most surfaces (not crazy about feel of control stalks on steering wheel, but it is an improvement over ones I've test driven in the past)
    Flawed:

      -sun visors (almost useless, especially when the sun is on your side)
      -cup holders (the one on the dash is for decoration only. the one in the center console is just in the way)
      -that %*$&# aluminum strip on the dash. I will never buy another car that has ANYTHING this shiny in the interior. I get blinded by the extra-shiny "quattro" logo as I drive home each morning. I don't know how to solve that other than put masking tape over the blasted thing, and we all know that's not an acceptable solution.

    I'm also not a fan of the stereo and climate control buttons. There are too many of them, and they look and feel too much alike. Luckily, the auto climate control is so good, I can set it when I start the car, and forget it. As for the stereo, I just hope the preset buttons don't pop out on me. I've read this has happened to other A4'ers.

    After 4,000 miles, I really don't have much to complain about. Just two unscheduled visits to the dealer -- one to fix a wiring mixup with the XM radio, and another to reset a check engine light that came on for no reason the service department could find. I've built up enough confidence in this car to go ahead and sell the Civic which I had been keeping as a spare.
  • Hi all. This is my first post. I am considering leasing an A4 quattro 1.8t w/manual tranny. My other top choice is a BMW 325xi. I have driven both, and my initial impression is that the BMW is much more fun to drive, though the Audi certainly felt competent. My dilemma is this: I would prefer to save some money, and the Audi will come with many more options and cost me about $100.00 less a month. I could use some feedback from Audi owners who really love to "drive" their 1.8t's. I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I was unable to find a decent dialogue on the subject. Thanks for any and all help!
  • sanman2,
    I was considering the exact cars you are when I finally pulled the trigger on a 2003 a4 1.8t w/all options this summer. I could not be happier with the car-the only thing I regret is not getting a 2004-I really want xm radio and the all-season tires, not to mention the 6spd...bmws are great cars, but you just can't beat the audi for value-I got an incredible deal on mine up here in mass. (wagner in boylston) and couldn't be happier. A similar BMW with the options I have (sport, premium, xenon, bose, etc) would cost well over 35K. After 6 months with this car I have no hesitation recommending it to anybody, and 2 friends of mine have recently made the switch from 3 series to a4s. It handles on rails and with snow tires the traction is better than on my g/f's suv. I considered the tsx as well as I had always had good luck with hondas/acura but it just didn't have the styling I was looking for. Same with the saab 9-3-great car, very quick, but it just felt cheap inside compared with the audi (you can't beat that red lighting at night). I also hear that the quattro is a far superior awd system than bmw's, and for me the 1.8, while a tad underpowered, is more than enough, especially once I chip it in a few months...good luck with your decision, you really can't go wrong with either car. Audiworld.com is also a great site for a4 info if you need any more convincing!
  • I read the post about the BMW vs the Audi wondering how to respond then the writer said the Audi would be both higher content and $100 less per month.

    Gee, this is hardly a reasonable comparison other than the obvious way "if price did not factor in."

    So, if the answer to the question, which one would you buy "if they were the same price. . .I would get the BMW," well you have answered the question yourself, since the differences are not "diminimus."

    I too test drove the Audi, the Passat GLX w/4Motion and the BMW 3 series "X" version. The monthly payment differences could only be mitigated by decontenting the BMW and the VW was the most expensive on the lease.

    The Audi A4 1.8T with all options, 6spd and if you desire, "Ultimate Sport" package (ask about it) will be higher in content and lower in price than the BMW. The Audi at 170HP, will, however, not be as strong (in the HP and torque department) as the BMW.

    The BMW therefore MAY be worth more if you place any value on the accelerative differences, for example, between the two cars. However, the Audi should have "higher" content for lower bucks and "comparable" performance.

    Did the Audi A4 1.8T you tried have the sport package?
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    Yes, tis true that the CA emissions costs $150. I posted this question in the thread at Audiworld, though the thread is pretty old. Hopefully will get a response soon.
  • Daniel-- Just in case you don't read my response over there in the other thread, I'll do a quick cross-post here:

    *heh* here all this time I thought you were in CA. Roger Jobs is my dealer and it's an excellent dealership. They have a good reputation and I'm sure you'll be pleased with the service there.

    Give Tony a call or e-mail him on your question about how much the CA emissions will hurt performance ...if it does at all. He's the service manager and if he doesn't know, I'm sure he'll find out.

    Sounds like you made an excellent deal. It's difficult to get a "steal" on a new Audi here in the PNW. I talked about this on these Edmunds boards several years ago, ad nauseam. It was frustrating to me how folks in other parts of the country could make these fantastic deals and here in the PNW, we had almost "take it or leave it" pricing. I think it is somewhat better now that the economy has slowed but still, here in this region, we still seem to pay more for our Audis than anywhere else.

    I hope you'll have good luck and tremendously enjoy your new A4 when it arrives.


    Btw, Tony is also the Porsche service manager there at RJM so I'm pretty sure he'll know performance issues.

    I'll try to find your post over there at AudiWorld and follow it because I'm curious just what that $150 is buying.

    --'rocco
  • All, I have been an avid reader of this board for over two years, at which during that time I was researching vehicles that I was very interested in. I had my research narrowed down to the BMW 330xi and the A4 3.0 Quattro. I decided on a black/black A4, 3.0 quattro maxed out except for nav. system and sport package (ride is to stiff for my liking). I decided on this car mostly because of the quattro system. However, styling, cost, and just plain overall appeal also had a lot to do with my decision. I've had my car for nine months and have 19,000 miles on it already (this car is really hard not to drive), with the only problem being a faulty fuel pump which was replaced under warranty. I have to tell you all, I'm in the military stationed in Europe and have been the last 10 of 13 years. I have a total understanding of European traffic laws, which in some ways are more liberal than the U.S., but also safe at the same time. With that being said, I have driven this car to it's governed limits for miles on end traveling between Belgium and Germany, and on some of the smoothest and twistiest roads you'll ever want to drive on in your life!!!! For me personally, I think the true measure of the car is how it handles at it's max speed. I have done that with this car and it is absolutely a tremendous driving experience at speed!!! I have driven my 95 BMW over some of the same routes several times, and I have found virtually no difference in the drivability of both cars. For those that are shopping and comparing between the two, I would say it's a matter of personal taste and preference, but will also say the A4 is right there with BMW, no question about it. Keep in mind this strictly my opinion, so which ever car you choose drive safe and have fun with it!!

    PS..I'm going to regret the day I have to return to the U.S. and drive in the Chicagoland area!! OULALA!!
  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    Glad to hear that the B6 A4 is up there with the BMW at the European circuits. I've always wondered how the BMW compares to the A4 in a combination of high speed and twisty roads.

    Well hey, it will take you some time to get back to the Chicagoland driving habits, i.e. no rules at all. I would say the most important thing is to meditate and not to swear when you see bad driving habits exhibited by some mindless drivers.

    Billy
  • well I know it's going to be an adjustment. I have found that to be true each time I have come home on leave. I have gotten so used to being in the left lane, and while doing so I'm passing people!! Here in Europe if your in the left lane you will be passing period!! Not on a cell phone, reading a paper, putting on makeup or any of those things that we as Americans like to do while driving except driving!! Driving here is a serious business and it's very frustrating for me each time I come back to the States!! However, I know I will adjust. It makes me wonder though, if we charged as much as they do here in Europe to get a license, would we take driving more seriously?? For the mean time, I'm enjoying my A4 here while I have the opportunity!!
  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    You going to import the A4 back to the States after you are done with your rotation in Germany? It'd be something to check out a German spec A4!

    Billy
  • I'm considering a used 2.8. This would be my first Audi. I'm a bit nervous about reliability. The car is Silver, has 38,770 miles, and all options - including dual power seats, heated, rear side air bags, cd changer, etc. It looks like I could get it for 23k with the certification program. Does that sound fair? It has one small trim piece in the trunk broken and a rock scratch on the hood about 3/4" long - otherwise looks great. Thanks!
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    For that much money I would consider going the rest of the way to a 2002
  • I was told by a local dealer that 2004 A4 3.0s without the Premium package are hard to come by. I checked their inventory online as well as that of a competing dealer and it appears to be the case.

    I'm looking to get a base 3.0 with the Cold weather package but have been told that this is nearly impossible. Is this true?
  • . . .if you order it.

    Of the over 25 Audis my wife and I have owned, we have ordered over 20. The experience of ordering the car and having it come exactly as you want it is very satisfying.

    If you want an A4 with Cold Package and nothing else, order it. They will build it then will sell it and you will, presumably, be happy.

    You don't have to take what is in inventory.
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