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Honda Civic vs. Hyundai Elantra

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  • I have been considering a Civic and have been comparing to other makes.
    I am frustrated that Honda provides fewer standard features then the competition. Honda expects people to buy a moonroof in order to get other features found standard on the competition.

    For example: The 2007 Hyundai Elantra SE has four-wheel disc brakes, premium wheels, and 6 audio speakers, all for a thousand less than the 2007 Civic LX which uses rear-drums, hubcaps, and only has four speakers. I don't want the wasteful expense of the Civic EX's moonroof in order to get 4-wheel discs, nice wheels, and 6 speakers.

    Besides the added expense, a moonroof is practically useless to us here in the Midwest, and it also cuts down on precious headroom.

    I hope Honda adds more standard features for 2008.
    I would also love a Civic Si Sedan with an automatic tranny and NO MOONROOF!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    It's actually a difference of $2295 between the Civic LX MT and Elantra SE MT, since there's a $1000 general rebate on the Elantra now--take off another $500 if you already own a Hyundai. And in addition to the alloys, 4-wheel disc brakes, and 6 speaker stereo, the Elantra has fog lamps, variable intermittant wipers, audio controls on the wheel, fold-down rear armrest with beverage holders, 2 power outlets, 60/40 fold-down rear seat, trip computer with mpg meter, dual lighted vanity mirrors, auto on/off headlights, leather covered wheel and shifter, and available PZEV emissions. Newer Elantras have standard XM radio. All for $2000 less than a Civic LX, before any dealer discounting or loyalty rebate. And a moonroof is available on the SE (and even the GLS) if you want one--for a lot less money than the Civic EX.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    as it is now I doubt that either the civic si coupe or sedan will have automatic. one of the good things about them is they only have 6 speed manual transmission. I wish hyundai would come out with a 4-door model that has 6 speed.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    Having bought the LX and wanting everything on the EX except the moonroof, it's too bad my timing wasn't better. I've had to upgrade the audio system and as of next Monday, the alloys. But I didn't like the last generation Elantra at all and didn't want to keep my old Sentra once the warranty ran out. And the only other choice would've been the Corolla, but after having renting one this past summer, so glad I didn't go Toyota this time around. Definitely would've considered the new Elantra had it been out.

    As I've always said, timing is everything in life. Probably just should've spent the extra $ and gotten the EX in hindsight. Live and learn!

    The Sandman :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Well, the good news is you got a fine car in the Civic, with excellent safety features and fuel economy, and that high Honda resale value, so you made a good choice. If we always waited around for "the next best thing", we wouldn't have anything to drive! I am a little lucky in that I can afford to wait for awhile and see how the Elantra does on the IIHS side and rear tests, what the new Corolla is like, what Honda does with the Fit, etc. etc.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    Saw what I think was a Limited on the way home tonight and it looked pretty sharp. It was a darker color, not black and with the cool alloys was a real looker. Seeing pictures of the dash already have me thinking that the Civic/Corolla cars have got some real competition now. From the 3/4 back view, the Elantra reminded me a little of the Lexus I350, which isn't such a bad thing.
    Once the Corolla debuts, there will be many great choices in this segment. Buyers will ahve some tough decisions to make about what to buy and I'm betting that Hyundai will do quite well!

    The Sandman :)

    (Never would I have ever thought that I'd like the Elantra and Sonata so much!)
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    why is a moonroof useless in the midwest? You have no sky to look at? ;)

    I actually really like the new elantra alot but i still prefer the civic. IT does have the civic trumped over some standard features (curse honda for not including a leather wrapped steering wheel and shifter!) After all thats where hyundai excels: theire packaging and standard features.
    I still think the interior fabric of the civic is nicer than the elantra, the fabric on the se looks a bit outdated and cheesy; probably its only weak point.

    If i had to choose one it would definitely be a limited.

    Auto on an si sedan? No no no. This is where the nature of an engine really does come into play. Trust me i'm a big auto fan, but honda's high revving k series engines long for a manual. Adequate for around town, but the real power comes on after 6000 rpms. Not to great for an auto.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,805
    why is a moonroof useless in the midwest? You have no sky to look at?

    Not this weekend.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • So you still would prefer a Civic over an Elantra? I am telling you you shouldn't. Why? I own a 2006 Civic EX sedan and it has has had (and continues to have) issue after issue. Among them is that interior fabric you prefer on the Civic. It is wearing extremely prematurely on mine. The weave pattern is wearing away on the driver seat bolster, additionally the fabric is wrinkling or bunching up on the bolster also. The car has 6700 miles!!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    That is amazing. On my '88 Civic LX, a great little car for its time that oozed quality, the fabric felt as if it belonged in a much more expensive car and would last forever. When I traded it in on a minivan after 3 years, the fabric looked brand-new--except for an indentation in the back where the child seat always sat. Maybe that is representative of the general de-contenting of cars over the past 20 years to cut costs.

    The fabric on my '01 Elantra GLS looked brand-new when I sold it last spring. The color was odd I thought--puke brown I called it--but it felt good and proved very durable. I wonder how the fabric on the new Elantra will hold up.
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    In our current '02 Elantra with 90K miles, the seats still look brand new. The biggest complaint I have with it is the carpet. In my opinion, the carpet is pretty thin (not as plush as my other cars), and the original mats wore out pretty quickly. On the other hand, the carpet is pretty easy to vacuum clean, with it not being as thick (It doesn't seem to trap dirt down in it). I vacuum our cars out weekly, and have since they were new, so the Elantra still looks new on the inside - I have put new mats in it also. The rest of the interior has held up well.

    We previously had a Civic ('96 model), and the seats and carpet in it were very nice. The biggest problem I had with it was some of the plastic interior parts/covers coming undone. I believe the headliner had also come undone at one point, and we had to get it put back in place. We kept the Civic until it hit 97K miles.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Interesting. My father's 2007 with 7k miles so far has been absolutely flawless, and I don't use that term loosely. No problems whatsoever.

    I won't be seeing much of that car anymore though, the folks just moved to Oklahoma in it, leaving me in Alabama!
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    I'll tell you that you have no right to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't like; you can only state why YOU like something more than any other something.

    I used to own a 06 civic and the only problem i had was the visors that the dealer replaced for free.

    My car had 21000! And i neverhad a problem with the seat fabric. Not to say you didn't get a dud because every car is prone to them; yes even hondas; but your particular case shouldn't be the reason no one buys a civic. You really think they would sell that well if it was such an issue, or an issue that EVERYONE had?
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    i'm sorry your atmosphere has dissapeared. :P
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,805
    Nope its still here, just full of nasty little white stuff.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    The fabric on my seats are holding up beautifully and now that the Lug Bug problem has been resolved, it's probably the best car I've ever owned! It just does everything right...I couldn't ask for more. I think that I could stay with Honda for a very long time.
    WhooHoo!!!

    The Sandman :)
  • OK we can get into semantics over this I guess. I didn't go to anybodys house and under gunpoint TELL them not to buy a Civic...you are correct, more or less. I only state why I am totally sorry I bought one. I also notice you "used" to own a 2006 Civic. What happened to a relatively new car so that you no longer have it? Do I think I got a dud? NOPE,this site is full of 2006 owners with the exact complaints I have experienced right down to prematurely wearing fabric on the seats. They sell well because of one thing...the name HONDA which in my opinion is now carrying sales to some degree. The cars, at least the 2006 Civic, no longer have the quality to back that up.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    Yes this site; which probably represents a tiny little fraction of the immense population that owns the new civic. And in all honesty, there are many posters here that simply join to be flamers, leave a few negative posts and never come back. Not to say that anyone who has posted with problems about their civic isn't being legitimate, but i'm pretty sure its not to far fetched to say that some people hate honda enough to do things like that.

    And remember we only have words on a screen to go by.

    And maybe sometimes pictures.

    If you would have read my other post, the reason we didn't get another civic is because the dealer we went to had no models any of the colors we were considering. There was absolutely nothing wrong with my car and i'd still be driving it if we could have had things our way. The dealer had no bare bones ex models; only a few lx's in atomic blue (which my wife thinks looks less than stellar on the new civic) and a decked out to the gills ex that was out of our price range.

    My wifes car had negative equity and being newlyweds there was no way we were going to be able to counteract that and the easiest way our would have been trading in both of our cars since we wanted to car pool anyway.

    Had honda had a royal blue lx coupe or ex coupe or sedan (with limited add on's i.e. no dvd nav) we would be driving that right now.

    We stopped at the vw dealer as an afterthought and the rabbit was the right price, my wife liked it, and if i ever do trade it in, it will still be within its warranty. (Though i hope to run her up past 100k.)

    We like our rabbit very much, and are glad that we see ourselves in a car that we see hardly any other people in. But we both know if he had the civic we really wouldn't care all that much.

    In either case, my civic (with over 20k miles in less than a year mind you) still ate a nice chunk of her negative equity despite the fact that it was not even a year old yet, which says a lot about the resale value on the car( perhaps its hondas vehicles and not their name that sells cars huh? :blush: ).

    We are happy with our rabbit but may consider a civic again when we can both afford newer cars.

    And no i didn't need to re write that entire post, but i decided to do so just so that it would be clear.

    Lets say you know about 30 other members who have civic seat fabric issues. How big of a percentage do you think that is when compared to all who own new civics? Its microscopic. I feel for your troubles, and theirs, but in the end, to say you got a dud makes a lot more sense than saying the new civic sucks. That isn't opinion; its common sense.

    Did it ever occur to you that because the amount of civics honda sells, you probably will find more problems posted, just because of the sheer amount of people who have them. I know this is a bit of an afterthought, but still, common sense.

    Again i'm sorry for your problem. You should ask all the other premature fabric posters what kind of pants they wear and if they are the same as yours. It may be possible that you all in a turn of fate, wear the exact pant that is NOT compatible with honda's fabrics. :P

    Just kidding by the way.

    At any rate, your whole "don't buy a civic" attitude is very off putting and you gotta realize that its hard to swallow a comment like that when you are basing yourself on a personal problem that very well could be something specific to the batch of civics yours was included in. It sucks, but still no reason to come off like that man.
  • OK lets look at things this way then...you say there are a large amount of Civics sold, and there are no doubt. Of the huge amount of 2006/07 Civic owners how many DO have similar problems to mine and the other 30 (your random number) owners who post here? Because by far MOST owners do not even know about sites like these or if they do don't bother to post for one reason or another so the over all number of those with problems may not be as microscopic as you would like us to believe..just not represented here.
    I bought this 2006 Civic (my first Honda product of any kind) because I loved the styling, still do by the way, and was pretty much sure given all the hype and glowing print used by professional auto testers over the years that I was safe in doing so. On the drive home from the dealer (7 miles showing) I heard rear suspension noise over some bumps, oh oh. Time went on and it turned out that both rear shocks leaked and the right side was dry. In July last year with about 3K miles both rear shocks replaced ( a common problem with 06 and prior years). Somewhere along there the "lug-bug" noise showed up...waited a year for the TSB to acknowledge and fix that. Concurrently the "glove-box" noise became evident after the shock replacement quieted the interior down enough to hear that one. TSB outstanding for a fix which I haven't had the time to get to yet (motor mount needs replaced). I feel fortunate that I haven't had some of the other problems haunting other 2006 Civic owners e.g. oil leaks that require a fair amount of engine disassembly (another TSB issued for that one)...power steering leak (yet another TSB)requiring some elbow piping replacement. Some software upgrades to eliminate a "check engine" lamp (TSB issued for that). Engine immobilizer problems (cannot start car and another TSB). There are some other TSB issued for problems I forgot. I have printed those in case I experience some problem down the road a bit. Additionally, there appear to be paint, glass, and rust issues on relatively new Civics. Oh, lets not forget the cheap and very easily scratched interior plastics (especially the waffle pattern on the doors) and finally the upholstry on our 1995 Dodge Stratus looks much beter @ 180K miles (I wear ALL types of pants) than that on the 6.5K mile Civic. There is absolutely NO reason for the pattern to be wearing on these seats nor any reason for the fabric to be "bunching" up in one place. So, am I disgruntled that this Honda has been way less than expected..you bet! And the price ( EX automatic $19,680 sticker, no discount, last fall..$20K or over now). Even the deluxe EX model lacks many features found on competetors models found for much less...oh yeah they don't have that Honda "H". I will give you this however, resale is great and I intend to take advantage of it soon.
    Please do not tell me how to "come off" regarding this car. I spent a premium buck for a less than premium car so the least I expect is something I don't have to take in for repairs..TSB's installed etc. on a semi-regular basis. If I had wanted to spend my life in a customer service lounge...use charged leave time from work...travel to and from the dealer (about a 50 mi round trip) and general agravation I would have kept my Ford.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    Lug Bug problem has been it with my car. Runs great and love the torquey engine. My 1st Honda also and it's awesome. :)
    Just want to keep the discussion fair and balanced guys.

    The Sandman :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Torquey compared to what? Oh, right--the Elantra:

    Civic: 128
    Elantra: 136

    :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    He didn't say it was more torquey than the Elantra, just "torquey."

    Personally, the Civic didn't feel that torquey to me, but after accelerating from a stop to about 65MPH down a straight, ampty, four-lane road once and only once in my dad's 2007, shifing manually at 6,800 RPM, I loved the major top-end rush the car had! What a hoot!
    My 1996 Accord has more low-end, but lacks the high-rpm thrust of the Civic.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    No, he didn't say more than the Elantra. But this is a discussion dedicated to comparing the Civic and Elantra, so why not compare?

    Civics never felt torquey to me, either. They do have that high-rpm thrust, though. I just don't tend to wind up my cars to that degree--hurts fuel economy. Low-end grunt is more important to me than the rush at 6800 rpm.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Depends on the style of driver I guess. I'm pretty conservative (and thus get good mileage usually). When I need to GO! though, I put my foot down, and send the car revving. To me, that's when having the power matters... wherever the tach ends up when I punch it, there better be power there over anywhere else.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    Backy lets not forget that the amount of torque the elantra has over the civic is not buy much and probably doesn't help much since even the engine of the elantra weighs more than the civic, so its a wash.

    The civic is awesome for top end power.

    And honestly its all about feel. My rabbit FEELS faster than my old civic, simply because of the torque. in reality though, it is only a tiny bit faster, and for having 17lbs of torque its suprising how 'not much faster' it is.

    So in theory, you like the 'feeling'. But your not really going that much faster.

    If you really wanna compare; lets talk about how the civic manages 140 horsies out of an engine .2 liters smaller than the elantra. (what does the elantra get? 138.)

    And yes i know i have a 2.5 that gets 30mpg on the highway and only makes 150. But i got plenty of torque, and this is the elantra vs civic. (i felt i had to say it because someone else would have! :blush: )
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    gracias gradutate. Totally agree.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Yes, the 140 hp out of the 1.8L Civic engine is pretty good, better than the 138 out of the old Hyundai Beta engine. Not as good however as the hp from the 1.8L Hyundai/DC/Mitsubishi engine, which may wind up in the Elantra in the not-too-distant future. So it appears Honda is a little behind in hp, comparing the latest engines.

    But the new 1.8L motor isn't in the Elantra yet (I felt I had to say that because someone else would have). ;)
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    (I wear ALL types of pants)

    A-Ha! That was great. I do too!

    What do you mean they don't have that 'honda "H"'? Mine had it on the steering wheel, the front and the back. Triple H.
    (isn't that a wrestler?)

    I feel for your probs target. I really do! I'd be unhappy as well. But i never EVER, EVER had any of those problems with my civic. Just the driver side window noise thing (which was barely audible even when it was doing it) and the visors. I got mine in november of 2005 so i dunno what the dillio was with yours. I can't explain it and never said i could, but to say you DIDN"T get a dud now may be far from the truth!

    Are there other cars for cheaper that have more standard features? Yes. And alot of them are like that now, probably directly related to counter civic sales and the fact that people are eating them up.

    If the lack of features upset you, why did you buy the car? Why not shop around, read these websites? Sorry bro but that is your fault not hondas.

    Never considered a civic (even as nice as they are now) a true 'premium' car.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    Actually wether it exists or not is more my concern. What does that engine get 142? And how many auto makers collaborated on that one to get it together? :blush:

    Honda did their's on their own. ;)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Hyundai designed it. The DCX variant gets 148 hp. We'll have to see how much hp it has if and when it shows up in the Elantra.
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