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Honda Civic vs. Hyundai Elantra

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  • mjoshimjoshi Posts: 34
    okay today I had chance to test drive Civic & Elantra one after other and last back to my Mazda 3 Hatchback. To be honest neither Elantra nor Civic came anywhere close to Mazda 3. I was planning to trade-in Mazda 3 (call me confused) for Elantra or Civic but after test drive probably I'll have to think twice. My Mazda 3 gives me 25-26mpg during winter time city driving in upstate NY. Well between Elantra and Civic, Civic seemed to be better in terms of layout but road noise is more pronounced on Civic compared to Elantra. On other hand engine noise is more on Elantra compared to Civic so after driving both cars I'm now more confused. Seems probably try and drive Corolla next.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Make sure you have coffee and plenty of sleep before driving the Corolla. :shades:

    May I ask why you are considering ditching the 3? I've always liked them, except for the tire noise and vibration in the cabin (my experience is with a 2004 3s and a 2007 3i - the 3i is seemingly better than the s).
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    I don't know why you'd want to trade in the Mazda3s hatch, but neither the Civic nor Elantra sedan is anywhere close to it. Nor is the Corolla, as you'll find out. The Matrix XRS, maybe now you are getting a little closer. Or if you can wait until this fall, the Elantra Touring will be out, which will give you the hatch/wagon configuration, sport-tuned suspension and steering, short-throw B&M shifter, and 17" alloys option (16s standard). So, much closer to your 3 hatch than the Civic or Elantra sedans, but with more interior and cargo room than you have now.

    Or just hold onto the 3 hatch for awhile and wait about 18 months for the next-gen 3?
  • mjoshimjoshi Posts: 34
    I've 04 Mazda 3 S and I personally am happy with the car. The problem is it is stick shift and my wife dont know how to drive stick. She drives Honda Odyssey which is almost 5 years old and with gas prices heading north we were thinking it is not worth hauling it around town. We were looking for something more fuel efficient. Mine is first gen 3 (04 model) and I probably can stick around longer with it.
    One more thing I was offered $15300 yesterday at dealer on Elantra SE with mudguard and floor mats. Honda Civic LX seems to be coming down to $16984. So there is price difference of $1600. But on other hand when you compare that to depreciation TCO as per Edmunds it depreciates $8,840 over 5 years period whereas Elantra depriciates $12,546 at end of 5 years. So in that terms do you think Civic is better value ?
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,722
    She drives Honda Odyssey which is almost 5 years old and with gas prices heading north we were thinking it is not worth hauling it around town.

    If its 5 years old then most likely its either paid off or nearly paid off. If thats the case if the Odyssey is still running good then you should keep it. The gas savings in switching to a newer more fuel efficient vehicle will not offset the costs in getting a new car.

    But on other hand when you compare that to depreciation TCO as per Edmunds it depreciates $8,840 over 5 years period whereas Elantra depreciates $12,546 at end of 5 years. So in that terms do you think Civic is better value ?

    Somehow that doesn't sound right, percentage wise my Elantra didn't depreciate that much in the fist five years,

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    I drive the Civic and the better half drives the Mazda...keep your Mazda and minivan. The amount in savings won't be worth it when all is said and done so just be patient for awhile and revisit your plan after the summer driving season ends.

    I've come to the conclusion here that we all have our preferences when it comes to the Civic, Elantra, 3 and Corolla and none of us are going to change our minds from what I can see. Each vehicle has +'s and -'s and there isn't one car overall that has what we all want or need. But I think within a few years, that one vehicle may emerge...and I for one can't wait.

    What is Toyota thinking? Saw a brand new Corolla LE yesterday with the nice alloy wheels but the B pillars made it look like last years CE...what gives? Is the LE now the base CE model?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    Take those depreciation numbers with a grain of salt. For example, four years ago I bought a loaded (as loaded as you could get then) Elantra GT for $13,200 + T&L. Right now Edmunds.com estimates that I could get about $8000 for that car in a private-party sale, about $7000 for a trade-in. So the car has depreciated either $5200 or $6200 in four years, depending on whether you would trade the car in or sell it yourself (I sell my cars myself). Do I think that in the next year, my car will depreciate another $6000-7000 or so? I don't think so. If Edmunds.com's predicted depreciation for the 2008 Elantra SE were to come true for you, it would be worth less than $3000 after five years. I think that is utterly ridiculous, unless you plan on trashing the car and driving it into the ground in the next five years.

    Also consider that you are not comparing apples to apples in comparing the price of an Elantra SE to a Civic LX. The SE has much more equipment than the LX. A closer comparison would be the Elantra GLS with preferred package to the LX, or the SE plus moonroof to the Civic EX.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    Well, if I wanted an exciting ride I'd have a Corvette (and I do want one) but a small sedan for daily use and occasional longer road trips I like quiet and smooth. The Civic is OK but just OK and if you compare it to the current generation Elantra in those categories alone it is no contest. The Elantra handles well enough that it won't fall on its side on curves and again that is good enough. I could speak in a normal voice while conversing in the 2007 Elantra we rented last fall but have to speak over the interior/wind/tire noise in our Civic. I guess I just want peace and quiet now. When I was younger the louder the exhaust and intake noise (cowl induction) was on my SS-454 Chevelle (1970) the better.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The Civic appeals to people who want some excitement; remember not everyone can AFFORD a Corvette, or can fit their kids in a Corvette, or can pay the gas bill of a Corvette, or insure....etc. So they compromise... and get what they can afford, or fit into, etc... It doesn't make one better than the other, only different.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    Sorry, I just don't see the Civic as an "exciting" car. The Si maybe, with its 200 hp engine. But a Civic LX? Nope. "Quirky" is I think more apt, with the bi-level gauges. Otherwise it's ho-hum, small-carsville--very well done, but nothing to raise my pulse. Now, if I could have found the quantum torpedo controls on the control panel of the Civic LX I rented a few weeks ago, then that could have been exciting! :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Comparing a Civic to an Elantra, I'd call the Civic exciting.

    Comparing a Civic to a Corvette, not so much! :shades:
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,722
    The Civic appeals to people who want some excitement;

    :confuse:

    Excuse me but if a Civic puts some excitement in your life you must live in a monestary,

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    What is it exactly that makes a Civic LX more exciting to you than an Elantra SE?

    * The extra 2 hp (but less torque)?
    * The spiffy plastic wheel covers (vs. the five-spoke alloys on the Elantra)?
    * The extra noise in the cabin smacking your eardrums?
    * The firmer ride (where each bump = excitement... uh, no, we won't go there)?
    * The tighter cabin (so you can be closer to those you love, especially in the back seat, with not even a center armrest to keep you apart)?
    * The thought that if you go around a curve too fast, you don't have the "electronic nanny" ESC to help keep you on the road? (I guess that could get the heart a thumpin' and the corpuscles a-jumpin')?
    * The realization that you'll be on your own as far as paying for any problems anywhere from 2-5 years sooner than with the Elantra?
    * The sudden realization that the big blue digital readout in front of you is NOT the outside temperature, the big round gauge in front of you is NOT the speedometer, and now you know why those flashing red lights are coming up behind you?

    Or maybe something else?
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    It's that certain intangible feeling that one gets in a Honda or a Toyota...something that just can't be put into words. That's what puts these two car makers at the top...the benchmark so to speak. It's like class...either you have it or don't. Hard to explain...but it was in every Toyota that we've owned and now with our Honda.

    The Sandman :)
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,722
    Or maybe something else?

    It is something else. Its putting on that huge exhaust that makes the car very loud (and slower), and a stupid looking spoiler that looks like it was made in a high school metal shop, as well as stupid looking lighting effects. So that they can go down the street looking like big wigs in a fast car that in reality will lose to a 3 year old with a big wheel.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    Yes. With the Hondaness plus $2.00 I can get a small beverage at Starbucks.

    :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The "more excitement" (in my world) comes from more poise in corners, less body-roll, a zingy engine, the exceptional steering, the "no-eyes-off-the-road-time speedo".

    As you know I'm not anti-Hyundai (I try to stay pretty level-headed). Extra noise doesn't bother me (one of my vehicles is a 12 year old Honda! :)), and space, warranties, and styling don't have anything to do with how exciting a car is to drive, so I fail to see your point about those attributes.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I'm happy this forum is awake again. :)
  • mjoshimjoshi Posts: 34
    wow that is one heck of explaination LOL.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    Excitement is where you find it. Some folks buy Mustangs with V6s. Some folks get excited by big digital readouts. Me, I get pretty excited by having a car that's compact on the outside, big and comfy on the inside, takes me smoothly over frost-heaved roads, entertains me with a nice sound system with XM radio, caresses my hands in soft leather, cuts through ice and snow better than anything shy of AWD, and keeps me and mine safe.

    If I wanted great cornering, a zingy engine, and exceptional steering at a reasonable price there would probably be a numeral in the car's name. Maybe even the word "speed" (hints at excitement, doesn't it?).
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    If I wanted great cornering, a zingy engine, and exceptional steering at a reasonable price there would probably be a numeral in the car's name. Maybe even the word "speed" (hints at excitement, doesn't it?).

    (You thinking 328i? :) I am!)

    But if you wanted a new car, and didn't want to spend more than $20k, those things are out of budget with the exception of Mazda's 3. The Mazda 3s is a good buy, and shares similar characteristics with the Civic (although the 3's road noise and tire vibration are much more HEAVILY pronounced in the examples I've been in). The Civic meets the two in the middle, although it leans more towards the Mazda than the Elantra.

    You guys are taking my "excitement" comment way too far. I never claimed the Civic to be a Bimmer alternative, or a poor-man's Porsche; just a more fun alternative to the Elantra. The Elantra has plenty of wonderful attributes (space, ride comfort, Stability Control), but it isn't something I'd ever consider to be "fun." Sort of like a small Camry; practical, but boring.
  • mjoshimjoshi Posts: 34
    Apart from your excitement comment and dont want to pick on you (and that is seriously not my intention) but I drive Mazda 3 every day. And I test drove Civic LX other day and I'll tell you there is not difference in terms of road noise between two. And Civic has more pronounced wind noise than Mazda 3. Actually I was expecting similar thing from Civic as we owe Odyssey and we were ripping our hair initially with Ody's road noise & wind noise, so nothing ground breaking there from Honda.
    On other hand Elantra had higher engine noise especially when you rev it up.

    Also one more thing I dont get how Edmunds and CR rates Civic higher than Mazda 3. Reason being the number of features Mazda 3 offers is more than Civic. It handles better than Civic and it costs less than Civic. It has better warranty than Civic, It holds it value same as Civic. I bought mine 04 Mazda 3 Hatch with everything except leather seat for like $17500 in 2004. If I wanted to get same featureset from Civic it would have costed me more than that (and some of things like Stability control is not even available on Civic). I'd say I loved the console layout of Civic more than my 3 or Elantra. Probably I would wait for year or two to see what comes out next.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    Here we go again with etheral feelings...things that cannot be explained. I tell you I own a 2006 Civic and I don't hear any supernatural whispering in my ear when I drive mine. Sarcastic? sure but I want to throw up my hands in exasperation when I read of those "feelings" that subliminally say......"brother, you bought the best". OK, the Civic is a good car but no better than others within the class, and in many ways worse. Just me though. :)
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    How is it some in here think "they know it all" and use sarcasm as a way to answer others opinions that they don't agree with...whatever. Since you are having so many problems with your car...dump it already and move on. This forum is just like the Mazda 3 one about four years ago. There was one particular poster who had some problems with his 3 and went on...and on...and on...until it got tedious to read the forum. Many of us just left because of the constant negativity. Luckily when I came back about a year later, it was a much nicer atmosphere in there.
    On a side note here, there are five Civic owners from this generation at my installation and none have had all the problems some keep talking about in here. Only two of us had the lug bug problem taken care of and besides that...nothing. Two were assembled in Japan, two in the U S and the last in Canada. A pretty fair random sample and nada...just five happy owners. That fact alone tells me volumes about the quality of the Civic.
    Still love my Civic and the wife still loves her Mazda. Hopefully in the fall my kid will get her Elantra and then I'll be able to come back and post some real life opinions about all three cars. Enjoy your cars and if not...move on to something else. Life's way to short.

    Outta here.......The Sandman :)
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    If you are referring to me I freely admit that I certainly don't "know it all". I only know about that with which I have had nearly three (3) years first hand experience (that would be our 2006 Civic EX sedan). It seems when someone disses the Civic they are whiners dragging down the happy Honda family. Why should only the "great car..no problem...best car ever" comments be seen? Sarcasm, by the way, is an accepted form of addressing others although you may not like it it has its place.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    There was one particular poster who had some problems with his 3 and went on...and on...and on...until it got tedious to read the forum.

    I remember him...one of the reasons why I left for a while. He had the A/C problems, yeah?
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    crickets chirping

    This is very surprising to notice how dead it is in here. Especially with the Civic probably getting ESC in 09...but the Elantra getting a hatchback/touring/whatever type deal.

    I'm considering these two in the fall, with the spiky gas prices. I like having a hatch...but I'd also like to get nav (in dash please, no goofy add-ons with wires all over the place). I drive 100 miles to work and back per day, so MPGs are important....but so is a long warranty. My my what a quandry, hmm?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    Since you drive 100 miles a day, you might also consider the 2009 Sonata Limited I4. Its highway fuel economy isn't much different from the Elantra's, it has a 5AT, it has a factory nav option, it's a quiet and comfy highway cruiser, and historically has had much bigger incentives than the Elantra, so price-wise it won't be much different than a loaded Elantra Touring and would probably cost less than the Civic EX-L with nav (once the 2008 Sonatas are cleared out that is).
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Maybe so, but the MPGs are going to be a rather significant step down on the Sonata. Even with the new 5 speed auto, it's only rated at 31 highway.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    2 MPG highway isn't that significant when you're talking about that much extra power, space, and comfort. The Elantra gets 33 hwy, per EPA.

    Besides, if the Elantra and Sonata are anything like my dad's Civic and my Accord, the Sonata's torquier engine will help it go over and above the EPA estimates on the highway, where the Elantra's 2.0 will have to work harder, and no exceed the numbers so well, especially in hilly or higher-speed (70+) sections. I routinely get 37+ on my Accord, and he gets about that as well, going the same speed. The difference is that I have 32 more lb-ft of torque and a lot more passing power, room, and comfort.

    Around town, his car would outperform mine mileage-wise though, due to his car being lighter and having 75% the displacement of my car.
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