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Honda Civic vs. Hyundai Elantra

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  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    thanks sand. hes just in denial. :P
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    zero times? Really? you've never tested your cars 0-60 times? I find that hard to believe.

    Backy i'm 22 years old. I've run it PLENTY of times. How could you expect me not too! Not that being young has anything to do with it; geez my gramps even runs to redline for kicks! Anyway, Thats the fun of a honda engine, its what they are made for and where they excel at. Granted not ALL honda engines are torque less and require one to do this, but even the 2.4's in the tsx and accord are fun to do this with!

    If you rarely hit 4000k? Oh goodness backy you are one of those 'slow mergers' aren't you? YOU ARE! :blush: You must be if you rarely' reach 4000k! What kind of car are you driving now? If its anything with a 4 speed auto i cant imagine you not EVER reaching 4000k.

    Backy, don't be so sensitive. When it all comes down to it i'm just words on a screen and nothing more. Thats what everyone here is! I was having a civil discussion and wanted to poke a little fun at you, thinking you yourself would realize that you have a tendency to want the last word,(as even sandman has pointed out), but apparently that is too close to home for you to admit. Sorry you took a joke to heart.

    I know alot of how you feel about me probably has to do with my rants awhile back in the fit vs accent forum and that was uncalled for. I didn't have all my fact straight, but just because i didn't say some of them in the nicest way, didn't mean that some of them weren't valid.

    Anyway back to the civic vs. the elantra.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Let's drop ALL these personal comments and talk about the cars instead of each other.

    And I'll take the last word on that, thankyewverymuch. :)
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,558
    If you rarely hit 4000k? Oh goodness backy you are one of those 'slow mergers' aren't you? YOU ARE! You must be if you rarely' reach 4000k! What kind of car are you driving now? If its anything with a 4 speed auto i cant imagine you not EVER reaching 4000k.

    I drive a 4 speed auto Elantra wagon and I always try to keep it under 3K RPM's and I always keep up with traffic coming off of stop lights (unless there is only one car in front of me and they take off like a bat out of hell). Heck many times when I am first in line and keep it under 3K the cars next to me don't pass me. Most of the entrance ramps around here allow me the luxury of entering the highway an normal speeds keeping the RPM's well under 4K.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    Oh, I don't know that I would "bet the farm" AND 20 years salary on that little "fact". The truth of the matter as I know it is that the very earliest 2006 Civics were built in Japan in order to allow the Ohio plant to ramp-up production on the new style. Then there was a period where you could expect to see both on dealers lots as the Ohio plant started to produce. Then, and finally, the Japanese produced cars ceased to be imported as Ohio production came totally on line. Some early Ohio produced cars had Japanese built engines and that quickly ceased also and now all 1.8 engines are built in Ohio. As far as I know the automatic transmissions are still built in Japan. The Si sedan and coupe MAY be produced in Japan (don't know) but I am very sure the run of the mill Civic,both coupe and sedan,are made in the U.S. of A. and Canada.
    You may be correct US built problems MAY disappear eventually, however that will be far too late for me since I will not buy another.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    I meant the competition doesn't have an "H"... well at least an upright one (Hyundai H slants). The one designating HONDA to the world.
    Hyundai ALWAYS had more features than Honda for far less. And as far as why I bought Honda verses Hyundai, well I explained that too a couple of times when accused, as you accuse me,of "not shopping around" and not knowing what is out there. I knew very well what was available but in a nut-shell and one more time...in the fall of 2005 gas hit an all time high (over $3.00 per gal)I had an SUV that I was otherwise happy with ( a Santa Fe) gas price uncertainty prompted a switch to a smaller car (read fuel efficient). I knew a redesign was in the works for the Elantra and couldn't wait for it to be released and didn't want an "old" design in a new car. Couldn't get a Corolla with any safety features I wanted e.g. ABS/traction control/side airbags etc. because none of those features were available in my region...too bad for Toyota. Didn't want a Mazda 3,didn't want a Ford Focus,certainly didn't want a Cobalt/Cavalier/or any of the GM variants.I seriously considered a Sonata but desided to go smaller yet. Saw the styling of the 2006 Civic, loved it, felt good at the time about buying a Honda, bought it and the rest is history.
    While the Civic isn't a premium car by definition it is by size class verses price asked. Come on, over $20K sticker puts it squarely into larger car territory e.g. Sonata..Optima...Fusion..Malibu (I'm not real sure about Honda's own Accord these days)and maybe a Camry.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    maybe your ramps are different. Then there are the differences in speed limits (ours are 70 and most people are doing well around 85.)
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    size wise its a premium car? Looks pretty compact to me, fairly roomy but i don't understand whats 'premium' about the size or room. (maybe the awesome flat floor.

    Thats fine if you didn't want those other cars, i'm just saying if thats your best reason for not going for a better equipped car for less, its still your thing and no one can help that.

    around 20k for a compact seems pretty much the standard these days despite what hyundai offers. You can get the malibu and fusion, but the resale on them is probably awful. (not to mention their 20k price tags are for bare bones four cylinders.)

    The civic (except the si) does not have traction conrol either.

    Sorry about your woes target.

    No one is disputing that hyundai offers more for less. They have to have some appeal you know. ;)
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    Why is this so difficult to understand? The Civic falls into a class of cars that is populated by Elantra..Focus...Corolla...Mazda 3...Sentra..Kia Spectra...Cobalt and others. And no it isn't a premium car size wise but it is a premium price for a car in this class...in other words you end up paying MORE for say a Civic EX sedan automatic than most of these others. Yeah, one could buy a Civic DX but without even a radio or AC standard who would want to? Even that stripper is over $15K.
    What? you are now second guessing my reasons for the Honda..you think I should offer a better one for not buying another brand? I trusted Honda would give me a better car than I received. Yeah, my bad..trick me once!!
    For $20K you can get a whole lot more car than the Civic resale value not withstanding.
    And traction control isn't the only thing missing on the Civic. A 2007 Elantra SE has the following standard:
    Fog lights (optional on the Civic)
    Heated side mirrors on all Elantras (not available on Civic)
    4 wheel disc brakes standard on even the cheapest Elantra (available standard only on the EX or most expensive Civic)
    multi-function trip computer (not available on any Civic)
    XM radio (last I looked an $800.00 dealer installed option on other than GPS navigation system equipped Civics a nearly $2000.00 option)
    heated front seats (an option on the SE) not available on the Civic.
    A bigger passenger and luggage volume on the Elantra
    The Elantra does not have traction control..neither does the Civic.
    Oh and lets not forget the warranty. And don't tell me you will constantly need it on the Hyundai.
    Take it from me pricing isn't the only area Hyundai has appeal...
    You can be as sorry as can be but that doesn't change the fact myself and more than a few others do not view Honda as the best there is. Obviously there are those who refuse to believe this can be true..keep dreaming.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Considering the prices a much bigger and quite efficient (for its size) Accords are going for ($18k-$19k for LX and SEs), I'm surprised more peoople aren't just going for them. My Accord felt like "more car" than my dad's Civic, and now the 4-cylinder Accords are similar in price to the Civic. (My dad paid less than $17,500 for his Civic EX Sedan and got blue-book trade-in value for "Excellent" for his 2-year old Accord w/69k miles).
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,558
    Well some ramps I take ar quite long some not so long and some quite short. Speed limits around here are 55 but most people do what they feel like. There have been many times when I am just keeping up with traffic and I look down and see that I am doing 90. Other times you are lucky to occasionally get past 35.

    A constant 3,000 RPMs will keep me going a little over 75 MPH and with 132K on the odometer I rarely go past that. I can easily do well around 85 at 3500 RPMs.

    But most of my driving is on regular streets and I rarely hit 3k RPMs unless for some odd reason I need a quick burst of speed (say an emergency maneuver or passing on a country road).

    Starting out behind some cars at a stop light if I get it up to 4K RPMs I would rear end the guy in front of me the vast majority of the time.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,278
    Just got the wife a new Civic the other day, and yes, it is assembled in Japan, and yes, the engine and transmission are both from Japan (40% Japanese parts, the rest is US and Canadian). I'm very happy that my VIN # starts with a J. Some of the Civics on the lot still have a VIN that starts with a 1, which means it was assembled in the US, and furthermore, that your more likely to have rattle problems.
  • nthenthe Posts: 414
    "around 20k for a compact seems pretty much the standard these days "

    honda is the most expensive compact sold. mazda 3, corolla, focus, cobalt (and all gm models of it), spectra, lancer, sentra, and forenza all start fairly far below in price than the civic. so no, 20K for a compact is NOT the standard these days.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    Actually the Civic and Mazda3 are pretty comparable in price and available features (e.g. both offer navigation, a rarity in this class). Cobalt can get pricey for the SS model. Jetta is perhaps the priciest in the class, excepting the luxury brands.

    For sure (and on topic), there is a large price disparity between the Civic and Elantra now, especially looking at out-the-door prices. Is Civic worth the extra money? That is the question...
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    I wouldn't pay $2000 +/- for navigation in a car. If I needed it, I'd buy one of the many quality, portable models available at a cost of $350 to $500 from various brand names.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    Hudson's Street Atlas costs about $12. And MapQuest is free. :)
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,558
    And MapQuest is free.

    yeah but that cable for the internet connection has to be very long. :blush:

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    Scout motto: "Be prepared." :)

    Or get a wireless card e.g. Sprint for the ol' laptop.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    As I previously stated I was under the impression that Japaneese built Civics were discontinued for U.S. sales soon after the introduction of the "new" style for 2006 in the fall of 2005. Is this car a new 2007 DX..LX..or EX sedan or coupe? The plant in Ohio and the one in Canada should have the capacity to fill the needs for North America/Canada so unless you bought an Si sedan or coupe I am suprised a garden variety Civic would be made in Japan and imported for sale in the U.S. of A. As far as I know there is no quality difference in where they are made..ask Honda. All their plants have the very best quality control known to man..ask Honda.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    After re-reading my post,above,I feel the need to clarify the statement that Japan built Civics were discontinued soon after the introduction of the 2006 style. Yeah I know that Civics have been built in the US for some time. What I actually meant is that Japanese built 2006 "new" style Civics were imported for a fairly short period to allow the Ohio plant to ramp up their production. Once this was accomplished they were (I am fairly sure)discontinued. Both the Japan built and the earliest Ohio built 2006 Civics had Japanese built engines and automatic transmissions. By the time I bought mine (at the end of Oct 2005)it had an Ohio built engine as did all subsuquent U.S.A. models but they still import the 5 speed auto transmission. So, I presume the Si model is the only Civic imported from Japan. I am also assuming the poster who bought a new (2007?) Civic from Japan is in the USA.
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