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2011 Buick Regal

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,998
    No, Epsilon is GMs way of using Greek letters to signify platforms. They used to have A-bodies, B-bodies, C-bodies, G-bodies, etc. For a while they went to numerical designations. Now they are using the Greek alphabet -- Epsilon, Sigma, Lambda, etc.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • whenever a platform is used all cars on that platform are going to be FWD/AWD or RWD/AWD. The larger epsilon is definitely a FWD platform.

    GM actually stopped using the Greek names officially but everyone in the industry still uses them because its easier than saying "Global midsize car architecture" or whatever they say officially.

    Thus far no versio of epsilon with a wheelbase longer than that of the Lacrosse has been confirmed. The Cadillac XTS concept had the same wheelbase as the Lacrosse.
  • ttbttb Posts: 40
    Are the new Regal and the new Sonata comparable?
    They both have a base 4 and a turbo 4.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    That question should start a real argument! The answer is yes and no. The Regal is looking to compete with the Acura TSX, the Audi 4, and the like. As such, it is a step above the Sonata class. However, it depends upon what you want. The Sonata offers more or less everything these others offer, but at a lower price point. You won't get the cache of an Audi or Acura with a Hyundai, but you can get heated/cooled seats, keyless go, and lots of other features that used to only be available on better cars. Drive them both and see what you think.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    In terms of specs they are comparable but the Regal definitely feels like a more expensive car inside. The Sonata actually has featues you cant get on Regal like push button start but the ambiance inside is more Camry than Regal or CC. It also comes down to exclusivity, the new Sonata is quickly becoming ubiquitous while the Regal is far more exclusive. People who are shopping for the most car for their dollar arent going to get the Regal over the Hyundai. I for one am not a huge fan of the Sonata's styling and I don't like that the SE model with the 18" rims and sports suspension cannot be combined with many of the features of the limited model. Its ridiculous that you cant get dual zone climate control on the SE model.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I am not sure people looking at an A4, Acura TSX are going to go look at a GM Regal. lol. Nor, Sonata to a an A4 or TSX.

    But, with all that said, you do get a lot with the Regal, a lot of features, but does it really drive like German? :)
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    In europe the car competes with Passat, A4, etc. Its more German than any TSX will ever be. I'm sorry but I don't really consider Acura to be more prestigious than Buick. I know many disagree but Acuras are basically Hondas with more features, nothing more. The TSX is an entry level car for an affordable luxury marque- its not a Mercedes or Jaguar.

    If you want a well damped ride, miminal body lean and nice steering weight than the regal is definitely German in nature.

    Last month 1776 Regals were sold vs about 2300 TSXs. Considering the TSX has been around since 2004 I would say thats a pretty good showing - especially since the turbo isnt even on sale yet.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    edited October 2010
    But now the very pretty Kia Optima, with more equipment than all the CCs, etc. is soon coming on line. Things will be shook up. Which is good. It will make the better cars even better. Competition is good. Pushing from down below is good. It is all good.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    Umm...the TSX itself has been around longer than 2004. The new iteration has only been around two model years now.

    But actually, it is the newest thing that usually sells the best (for a time limited period--until it is renewed again...or screwed up). The Regal would probably be outselling the TSX if it were more available than it is. If dealers had more, they could afford to deal a bit. As it stands now, they go for close to list, no lower.
  • TSX and regal compete directly in Europe with each other and with Passat and Mondeo.TSX is European Honda Accord, it is not considered as a luxury car in Europe (as well as Regal). I do not think they really compete with Audi A4. In 90s A4 was competing in this class but since then VW successfully changed image for Audi. Some time ago I saw comparo test between all European "midsize" cars on German TV. Passat, A4 and Mondeo took first three places and Opel Vectra (Aura) and Accord (TSX) were last in the test with French in middle.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    Sorry, but the Kia's styling isnt for me. There has been a lot of chatter about how good the car looks but I'm underwhelmed. It does offer lots of features but I think its going to cost more than the Sonata. I do like the interior more than the Sonata, but I dont like it as much as the Regal's interior. Too much of an Audi knock off more me. The Koreans lack the styling refinement of the Germans and Americans. I'm not a fan of the Tuscon or Sportage either. Value is great, but thats always the case with Hyundai.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    The first gen TSX debuted as a 2004 model in 2003. One of my friends actually had one. The 2004 TSX was the first car with that nameplate in the US. Prior to that the entry acuras were the Integra and RSX.

    Well I read that Buick dealers have close to 6k in stock so there are plenty of Regal's out there. I have seen numerous billboards and TV ads but I think they need to keep working to get the word out. Of course the other factor is that incentives are limited while most competitors are offering deals.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    I'm cross shopping the Kia Optima and Regal. The Kia is the Sonata's sister car, same engine and underpinnings, different sheet metal and interior with a couple of more options.

    I'm anxious to sit in a Regal once the turbo comes out and see what I think. I'm annoyed that they only come in dull colors though. Hoping there will be a nice red in the turbo edition but I havent been following it as closely as the Optima.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    Two colors were added after the initial palette was introduced.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    Which two? I'm looking at Buicks site and dont see red but there are images of it in red on the web. Looks good:

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  • According to US News Rankings, the Buick Regal is the best upscale midsize sedan beating out the 3 series and G37.

    http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Upscale-Midsize-Cars/

    I admit that the Regal is a very good car for the price but is it better than the 3 series and the G?
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    edited October 2010
    Well we all know what an authority "US Ruse & World Distort" is on the subject of automobiles... especially considering that their "reviews" consist of reviewing other published reviews.

    Also, they're giving a lot of points for the turbo version, which isn't actually available yet.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    If you factor in price and space I can see why it would be considered better. Its not a better performer but most car buyers dont plan treat their luxury car like a slot car. Magazines that cater to enthusiasts tend to overvalue RWD and huge hp- in the real world people care more about styling, a luxury badge, dealer service and features. For the average buyer/driver I woudl say the Regal turbo is a better buy than a 3 series. A 328i equipped like a loaded Regal is probably $40k easily.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    Dont think Red is one of the colors added.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    well combining results from other reviews is actually a smart idea. They are saying on average, the regal is getting higher ratings than many competitors. They are not calling themselves car experts at all. The turbo will make the car faster but the styling, quality and handling are already present in the base car.
  • That is the first time I've ever heard a BMW 3-series called mid-size.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    Its a compact per the EPA.
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    Yeah, and it's a foot shorter than the Regal. Still, I could see some people cross-shopping the two, just as they might cross-shop the Acura TSX with either one.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    I can definitely see people cross shopping turbo with the 328i, TSX, C300, etc. Value wise you surely will get more for your money in the Regal turbo vs the German competition. The GS will be even better and still cost less that well equipped lower rung German entry lux sedans.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    I just priced up a 328i and A4 as closely as possible to a loaded $35k Regal turbo- $43k for the BMW and $41k for the A4. Both cars have memory and homelink for that price and the Audi has tri zone auto climate control but they are generally equipped with the same options. Regal has more space and trunks space than either car plus Onstar, music/nav HD and 19" wheels at that price.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,998
    Those pics are the GS model. I'm pretty sure there will be no change in appearance for the CXL.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    during a chat it was revealed that the GS would be revealed formally this fall and not at the LA auto show next month. That means we should be hearing something soon.

    2012 Regal is supposed to get a lower trim level and remote start.
  • Are there any Turbo Regals at dealers yet? Looking for a test drive ,perhaps at the auto show.
  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    supposedly november.

    MT has the first performance stats for this car contained in review of Sonata turbo.

    0-60 in 7.5 secs, 113ft braking from 60, .83g on skidpad and a faster figure 8 time than the 3400lb Sonata
  • Hopefully , the South Florida Autoshow will have one at the GM ride and drive.
    Emailed the general and got a "duh idunno " in response.
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