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Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis

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  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    that's impressive. Do you know if that was the car's original tranny that went at 203k? And what's the deal with 2 heater cores in 50k?

    I had a chance (last summer) to buy a '98 P71 with 75k on it for $9900. I loved how it drove/rode, but was put off by the amount of rust it had (from never being washed). And by the amount of mud and field type grasses tucked under the hood... Damn deputies! ;)
  • IF SO SIMILIAR HOW DO YOU CHOOSE ONE OVER THE OTHER. IN EDMUNDS DETAILS OF CROWN VIC THERE IS NO MENTION OF AIR SUSPENSION? ALSO CROWN VIC HAS A BETTER COMSUMER RATING, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY?
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    The only differences between the Grand Marquis and the Crown Victoria are the radiator grille and the taillights, and a few minor misc. pieces of exterior trim, and a few hundred dollars MSRP. Really, it comes down to personal taste. I think the Grand Marquis is the better looking of the pair. Some people like the Crown Victoria better. For all practical purposes, consider the Grand Marquis as an appearance package for the Crown Victoria.

    As far the Ford having a better Consumer rating than the Mercury, the only reason I can fathom is that the Ford is the one most often used by Taxi fleets, Police Departments, ect ect. Those types of customers attract about half the Crown Victoria's sales, and they're also the customers who rack up bunches & bunches of highway miles in short periods of time. So the average mileage of all 1998 Crown Victorias is much higher than the average mileage of '98 Grand Marquis. Somehow, all this extra, relatively trouble-free use must help the Ford's consumer rating, but not the Mercury's.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    Grand Marquis and the Towncar. I understand they have the same drive line from fan to axle, but what makes the TC worth all that more money?
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,704
    Which sedan has more overall legroom in front: the Chevy Lumina, Ford Crown Vic, or Ford Taurus?
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    You do realise two things, right?

    Specs are one way of measuring, but the best way is to sit down and see for yourself. Figures can and do lie...

    Besides, what is OVERALL legroom? I have no idea what you mean by that. You really do need to try out the cars you are interested in. This is not a package of gum you are considering trying. If you buy a car, you are spending a LOT of money. You should be sure you are happy before you spend it!

    Second, the Lumina is gone. Its sorta successor is the Chevy Impala, the ones they make now.
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    Recently, I investigated how much back seat leg room there would be after the driver's seat was positioned. There remained perhaps adequate leg room in the back, but my right knee was lodged against the dash board while driving. I was interested in the Jag S Sport, but now am back to the Towncar. I'm used to all that room. (When your friends buy Linclon LS' and Cads you look at other options)
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  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,704
    Is the engine in the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis still totally made out of cast iron, just like in the old days?
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    The engine has an iron block, but aluminum heads. '92-95 Crown Vics also have aluminum intake manifolds, while the '96 7 up have plastic intake manifolds. These will fail eventually. It's just a matter of time. Not much from the "old days" in this new 4.6 liter engine.

    I'm not real sure about all the stuff the Town Car has, but it is 6" longer than the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis, (I've heard a stretched version of the Crown Vi is supposed to come out, though), it has completely different sheetmetal, same mechanicals, and probably a lot more gadgets and doodads. The biggest reason the price is so much more is because there is a crosshair logo on the front of the car, and not a blue oval. As for doing the things a car is meant to do, the Crown Vic will do just as good as the Town Car. But if you want all the computerized gadgets, and the snob appeal that comes with the Lincoln name, the Crown Vic will never be as good. It's not meant to be. Ideally, Ford tries to market these cars so that the Crown Vic is aimed for police & fleet buyers, and for the segment of the public whose only real requirement in a car is lots and lots of interior acreage. The Mercury is in the middle, with more creature comforts than the Ford. It's for people who want a big car, but they want more than just a stripped down model. The Town Car is the top of the heap, for people who want a big luxury car loaded to the gills with every possible bell & whistle, and don't care that it costs twice what the lowly Ford does. In reality, however, this seems to be breaking down, as the difference between the Ford and the Mercury shrinks, and at the high end, they even encroach on the Town Car. You have to wonder if the Marauder isn't going to hurt the Town Car's sales. Ford doesn't want people buying a Marauder instead of a Town Car, they want people buying a Marauder instead of a GM or Chrysler.
  • koolusakoolusa Posts: 1
    I'm in the market for a sporty 4-door sedan, don't like anything remotely Japanese (I know they now build them in the US, but still...), need trunk space (need room for a kids wheelchair), and would like to stay in sub-BMW price range.
    I have never seen a LX-Sport on the road, hence my question. Anybody out there with (driving) experience? I believe the merc Marauder is not due until late this year. What's the word on the street for the expected price?
  • sidishussidishus Posts: 1
    Since its time to replace our '94 CV, I took my wife to a lot to look at the 2003 GMs. Both of us were shocked at how chintzy the interiors are. In the LS Ultimate we found the carpet to be very ill fitting. As a matter of fact it barely fits. This was true on a 2002 as well. You can push the carpet over the hump in the front down nearly an inch. In the 2003 the little carpet piece on the door pocket was coming loose at the edges. For those who own a 2002 Grand Marquis; how is your carpet holding up?
    Also it seems that all the plastic is about a gauge thinner and more brittle than the material in our 94. Since most of these cars are sold in the sun belt, I wonder how long these interiors will last.
  • rea98d you said only diff. bet. cv & gm was the front & rear ends. what are the differences?
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    On the front end, the Crown Vic has chromed horizontal slats on the grill. Police, Taxi, & SAP package models black out the grille. The Grand Marquis has thinner, vertical slats.

    In the rear, the Grand Marquis has a chrome strip through the tail lights, and red reflectors that run the width of the car. The Crown Vic just has the tail lights without the fancy chrome or the reflectors across the back of the trunk.

    Search the net and I'm sure you can find some pictures. It's all cosmetic, so it comes down to which one you think looks best.
  • resagentresagent Posts: 4
    Im new here and looking to purchase either a 2000 or 2001 CV/GM. The only reason i would spend the extra money for the 2001 is for the power increase, but according to edmunds, there is 10 lb/ft less torque and peak torque occurs 1000 rpms later. That fact seems to put a damper on the 20 extra hp. I know these cars arent powerhouses, but, has anyone who has driven both prefer the performance of one over the other?
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    If you're looking for performance, the Marauder will do it for you, but will run around 34-35K, at least for the first few months.

    You can get the Merc LSE which gives you the bucket seat interior, without the Marauder performance, but you still get 235 HP and a 3:55 rear with a handling package.

    The LX Sport may have been dropped for 2003. Edmund's doesn't show it as an option.

    Merc LSE is not available in black (I guess the Merc folks didn't want to confuse the public with black Marauders and black plain LSE's.) From pictures on www.fordvehicles.com website, the 2002 LX Sport was a very attractive car.

    Figure with discount, high 20's for the Merc LSE, unless you wait for slow sales periods and factory incentives. Car lists for 30+.

    For big boats, they are supposed to handle fairly well, due to the handling package. But, don't confuse them with sports sedans.

    With the 2003 changes in the trunk, you should be able to get the wheelchair in without too much difficulty. (I know that I had trouble getting my mother's wheelchair into a 1989 Towncar with the old spare on a shelf design. But, I had no trouble putting her chair in the trunk of my 94 TBird.)
  • graybeegraybee Posts: 4
    Looking for a web site or national auto parts retailer which sells the protective disks which are placed between the brakes and the clear-coated aluminum wheels (called "lacy spoke"?) on the later-model GMs. This supposedly prevents the black brake-dust from building up on these wheels. Also, is brake-performance adversely affected?
  • kinleykinley Posts: 854
    They don't.
  • I MUST BUY A NEW CAR REAL SOON. CAN'T DECIDE BET. CV OR GM. ALSO SINCE IT IS ALREADY MAY IS THEIR ANY ADVANTAGE IN BUYING 2003 OVER 2002 FOR EITHER CAR. I NOW DRIVE A 1993 CV BOUGHT IN '95 AND HAVE HAD MANY PROBLEMS WITH IT, MAYBE I JUST GOT A LEMON.
  • jsylvesterjsylvester Posts: 572
    They are not building LX Sports right now; the rumor I have heard is they cannot get the aluminum wheels designed for the 2003 to either meet safety standards, or else the supplier cannot build them right now.

    Anyways, it should be back, but maybe not until fall.
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    Something smells.

    The Merc has no problems building a 2003 LSE, but the Crown Vic has wheel issues?
  • houndoghoundog Posts: 21
    Have to agree with JerryM - Ford can get wheels from 20 different vendors, and have them delivered by next week. There is more to this CV sport than just the wheel problem. Lets hope they are going with a true "upgrade" - how about the 5.4 motor, or the Marauder engine as an option. The police have been crying for more HP for years in the CV - 239HP is low and slow. Time to move up to at least 300HP for those who want it. Those who don't, let them stick with the plain base package.
  • resagentresagent Posts: 4
    A significant upgrade in hp for the CV/GM will probably never occur until the young American drivers regain interest in this type of vehicle. Lets face it, without the demand from the police car/taxi market, this vehicle would most likely be out of production. And with the median age of the civilian versions being somewhere around 65, horsepower is not of primary concern. The police can cry to Ford about more hp all they want, but where else could they go if they dont get it? They have no alternative because American buyers would rather have SUVs. Ford must see signs of demand returning before they will improve this vehicle. The Marauder is promising, but at a price tag of 35k, and the worst possible color choice for the sunbelt, it appears destined for a short run just like the Impala SS.
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    Build it and they shall come.

    The guy today in his late 50's-early 60's came from the muscle car era. Performance equals buyer interest, even for older folks like me.

    A good example is the Jag S.

    I can get a Ford discount on the 2003 Jag S 3.0, but not on the 4.2. Why? Higher demand.

    But, don't build it at a 7-8K premium (Marauder) unless the performance is really there.
  • ron35ron35 Posts: 134
    graybee - The brake dust shields you are looking for are called KleenWheels; they are available from JC Whitney or are cheaper at Auto Accessory Connection

    http://www.accessconnect.com/ I bought mine from them for my 2001 GM. There is a school of thought out there that argues that these dust shields cause heat buildup, which causes the brake rotors to warp. I have found that vehicles with lousy quality OEM rotors have dealerships that love to use this as an excuse for warped rotors. I have been using these rotors on all the vehicles I have owned over the past 18 years without any problems at all. On one of my vehicles they have been installed for the past 18 years and the rotors are the originals. Road and Track did an interesting experiment on this a few years back. They road tested a vehicle under the exact conditions with and without the dust shields; the results were that with the dust shields installed the rotor temperature was 7/10 ths of 1 degree warmer, which is to say there was no significant difference at all. They do an excellent job of keeping the brake dust off the wheels and I wouldn't be without them.


    Ron35

  • graybeegraybee Posts: 4
    Thank you, Ron35, for the helpful information and for sharing the benefit of your experience.
  • 2003 GM HAS NEW FRAME, REDESIGNED INDEPENDENT FRONT SUSPENSION,MONOTUBE SHOCK ABSORBERS ON ALL FOUR WHEELS AND OPTIONAL SIDE AIRBAGS. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF CV FOR 2003 HAS ADDED THESE FEATURES, AS THERE IS NO OVERWIEW ON EDMUNDS FOR THE CV.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    The Crown Vic has the same new features as does the GM.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    Sigh.
    Sometimes, I think I'm sounding like a broken record.

    The only difference between the Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis is the front grille and rear taillights, and a few other cosmetic pieces. It has been at least since 1975, maybe earlier, and will probably continue to be as long as the Crwon Victoria and Grand Marquis are both in production. It's the exact same car sold under two names. They're so similar that Ford workers have been known to inadvertently put Crown Victoria badges on Grand Marquiss, and vice versa. When the Crown Vic gets an upgrade, the Grand Marquis does too. Otherwise, Ford would have to seperate Crown Vic and Grand Marquis production, which would be very very expensive. If anyone else has any other questions regaurding differences in the cars, the answer is

    The Crown Victoria is the same freakin' car as the Grand Marquis. It just has slightly different chrome trim on the front & rear end.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    and slightly different pricing and standard equipment levels. That's all! :)
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