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  • barich1barich1 Posts: 57
    I agree that vocus can't say that ALL Neons are bad, but then neither can Copperhead say that they are all good. When he/she says to ignore vocus and listen to him/her when he/she has had a new Neon for every year is ridiculous.

    He/she has NO long term experience whatsoever with the Neon and is not qualified to say that his/her Neons were reliable. Well, I should hope so! They were all only a year or two old when he got rid of them.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    It just seems like you want everyone to love the Neons and if they don't, then there is something wrong with them. You need help dude.

    Anyway, the friend I speak of and I live in the same house. And I have my own car, but we switch back and forth. He drives my Protege and I drive his Neon (mostly because I take it in for service because I work near a Dodge dealership). It's not that he let me use it because I needed to. So it looks like you need to be the one shutting up if you don't know all the facts.

    And my friend's ex-wife has a 1996 Neon Expresso sedan that has about 30K on it and never had a problem. I think it's just because this 2000 Neon is mostly all new and some of the bugs need to be worked out, as with any redesigned model of any car out there. So all Neons aren't junk, but if you had a car that had to keep being taken in for service when you drive it normally and take good care of it, I am VERY sure you would wanna vent too. So I don't even wanna hear it.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    I want to guess! It's a Dodge salesman trying to find a Good review on a Neon! Yea, I got it right!

    Isellmazdas
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    That was a good one! :) Or, maybe it's one of these avid Dodge fans looking for a good reason to justify such a crappy purchase when they could have gotten something nicer (dare I say it?) and paid the initial money up front for a better car than paying for repairs on a cheaper one later down the road. A shame when you have to buy an extended warranty on your car not for peace of mind, but because you KNOW you will need it!

    Also, I know someone who has an Intrepid. It's a 1994 with 62,000 miles on it (base model) and it runs fine. It squeaks and rattles like hell, the paint is peeling off of it, and the AC doesn't work anymore, but it still starts in the morning and that's all that matters, right??? Anyway...

    To Copperhead: Find me a publication ANYWHERE that says the Neon is a reliable mode of transportation and I will leave this forum and not come back. Even Consumer Reports slams the Neon. A shame, because it's a nice package. If it was more reliable, then it would sell better.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Don't waste your keystrokes explaining to Copperhead because he just wants to believe that Neon is the best car since sliced bread on the market. They are good cars in features and all, but their mechanicals suck.

    And it's pretty bad that my friend gave me full permission to trade in his 2000 Neon with only 14K and was willing to take my 1999 Protege with 24K on it. My car has more miles and been used more, and STILL is better than the brand-new Neon. There's Chrysler quality in action for ya!
  • bosonboson Posts: 1
    Hi,

    I just bought my new 2000 Neon ES this weekend, I got everything but the ABS/traction control group on it. I have 100 trouble-free miles on it so far. I guess it would be more accurate to say, 100 great-big-grin-on-my-face miles. :)

    Anyway, my question is about the power (front... heh) windows, it seems they don't want to work when the ignition is turned to accesories but the engine is not running. I tried rolling up my window yesterday after shutting the engine off, and discovered this. The stereo works, the (factory) sunroof will close, but the windows do nothing unless the engine is running. Is this how it's supposed to work? It seems odd if it is. Just wondering if anyone else noticed this or if something might be wrong.
  • mobaymobay Posts: 45
    HI,

    Everyone has there own opinion,and will express it ad nauseum to everyone. That's life, and unfortunately the same applies here. I doubt if you three will find anything nice to say about the Neon.Before you answer Vocus..,,by "nice" I mean without the obvious veiled critisism " I really do like the Neon" but then say;

    " maybe it's one of these avid Dodge fans looking for a good reason to justify such a crappy purchase when they could have gotten something nicer (dare I say it?) ". Lemme guess.., a Mazda??

    Yeah, he's/she's consistent alright.., consistently ambiguous.

    Hey, that's your right man/maa'm but don't try to hoodwink us with your crocodile tears.

    Also, I'd like to see a publication ANYWHERE that says the 2K Protege is a reliable mode of transportation.Perhaps they will be able to "time
    warp' into the future and tell us.Please do not post a prior model. We are talking here about the 2K Neon so it's only fair that we use a 2K Protege.

    Unlike you Vocus,I will,however return to this forum.


    How can one paint, in one broad stroke,a statement of fact about ALL Neons.Lemme guess what you're going to say.., "well.., based on past reliability reports"...., . To a point yes, but to use this wholly as a benchmark for a new generation of cars? I say "NO".

    Empirical data gentlemen.., PLEASE!


    I'm stupid this way but, until my 2K 5sp. ES become unreliable,I will say that it is reliable.I'm old-fashioned in this way. Perhaps someome would say " well my car has been giving me nothing but problems,but past models were reliable,so mine must be reliable too.

    Yeah.., that's the ticket!

    Once again, as always for this group, the thought "I own a XXX car and I love/hate it because it's reliable/unreliable, so therefore all xxx cars are
    good/bad always comes through.

    Lets have at it chaps..., back to you.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Check out the April 2000 issue of Consumer Reports Magazine, and also the September issue. The April issue says the Protege is "Recommended" based on RELIABILITY. The September 2000 issue tests the Neon and says behind the times it is. It came in REAL low on the list of small cars. The Focus is better than the Protege on that list, and I will admit in some areas it is, but PROVEN reliability is not one of them.

    Also, I could use the 1999 Protege (which I have) as a reliability basis, because the designs did not change from 1999 to 2000 on the Protege as they did on the Neon.

    Now for someone who came to the forum for something worth talking about: Boson, our ES (mine and my friend's) has power windows and yes, they SHOULD close with the key in the accessory position. Mine do and so should all of them.
  • jmn2786jmn2786 Posts: 15
    Ok vocus, you asked for it:

    Neon is a reliable car:
    http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/Overview/Dodge/Neon/Used.asp

    Protege is a reliable car:
    http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/Overview/Mazda/Protege/Used.asp

    Now get out!

    My power windows work when my car is off (accessory is turning the key back from off right?). Hope you enjoy your Neon, I have loved my 2K thus far.

    The 2000 has a new body, interior and some features, but the engine and many of the mechanical parts are brought over from 1999 with minor mods. These have had the bugs worked out through 5 years of production.
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    What a well balanced car my 98 is, it just does it all so well. Great room , kick butt power and handling, 50+MPG, awesome looks. Man, did I say I like the Neon?
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    That hard to believe. Could it even get any better? It seems like trying to improve a classic work of art.
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    now it is starting to look like there are so many more satisified owners of the neon. just because the same 3 people post the same crap 100 times here doesn't mean it's common. If you are really interested in learing something about neons go to www.neons.org I dare you trolls to go start crap over there, I dare you!
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    just what are half of you trolls doing here in a neon topic? Last time I looked this wasn't neon versus pro-toe-jay. I you have a real experience to post here (for the first time, vocus) then go for it. God help me if I see this crap continue I will be all over the mazda (or whatever) boards with stories of woe from all corners of the earth (weather true or not) why must you come here and decair war on our beloved neons. Yes I beyond all doubt think the neon is the best car made under $15000. It is way cooler then sliced bread. I supposed your cars are so boring that nobody ever even bother talking about them on their own web boards so you come here trolling to start something? I guess I'll play vocus here for awhile...
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    My 98 has over 20K and running strong, 2 quick trips to service 2 years ago for minor glitches and nothing but smoked protoges since.
  • L8_ApexL8_Apex Posts: 187
    ...I should probably spend more time in here. But... With this usually being a relaxed forum, I find that I have to deal with problems in more troubled forums. That's why I'm here now. Everybody try to calm down a bit, OK?

    There have been no out-of-warranty repairs on my wife's 96 Sport Coupe with 47K. Although the front steering is making the all-to-familiar occasional clunk that's been fixed in the past, I'm not concerned about it right now. I'll get it fixed the next time I have it in for a "more than oil change" service, probably at 60K. A couple segments of the clock/tuner display occasional don't work but I really don't need 'em. Minor annoyance? Sure, but it doesn't bother me. The wind noise from the aftermarket sunroof (there when we got the car with 9K) is frustrating and the paint isn't wearing as well as I'd like but again, they don't keep me from driving it. The car does have the coldest and quickest air that I've ever seen. That thing is blowing cold in five seconds at idle. I used to run around town a gear lower than normal to keep the revs up in my Integra GS-R just so the compressor would spin faster to keep up on a hot day. (That and it being generally fun...)

    I maintain it religiously and run synthetics. I give the car 20 to 30 seconds warm up and down just to be kind but do hit the rev limiter on occasion.

    The lousy resale was the reason my wife bought (prior to our marriage) the car. At the time you couldn't touch another car with the level of performance, equipment and remaining factory warranty, something that had long since expired on similarly priced imports. The warranty was important because unexpected expenses at the time were something to avoid. Now that we're a little more comfortable financially, I have no problem keeping it until it begins to really cost me or I find a great deal on another car that interests me.

    Anyhoo... that's my story. Take it easy...

    There are a number of great cars in this segment and the merits of each are being compared in other topics. This topic is about the Neon.

    I've made clear in other topics the rule-of-thumb regarding positive and negative feedback. Both are welcome as long as they are provided with the genuine intention of helping other owners and buyers.

    Thanks,

    L8_Apex
    Sedans Host
  • mobaymobay Posts: 45
    HI

    "To Copperhead: Find me a publication ANYWHERE that says the Neon is a reliable mode of transportation and I will leave this forum and not come back."

    Are you an honest man/woman?

    Much as I enjoyed our jousting,the time has come for you to ante up and honor your promise.

    Anything short of that will show you for the person you are.

    Have an nice life.

    Oh..,, remember to close the door on the way out.
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    http://neons.org/mopar/lenkillviper00.MPG

    You to can beat a Viper in a Neon.

    Hahn Racecraft turbo/intercooled, running 10/11 sec 1/4 mile times. Still has interior and is street legal.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    My neighbor really loves his 2000 Neon. He and his wife have owned or leased several new cars and they just dote on their new Neon. I guess you can call me a troll, but....I have followed this topic lately for two reasons. Because; Paul,(vocus) is my friend and needed an advocate, and because my wife and I are close to are neighbor(the Neon owner)and thought it would be neat to keep up on other owners opinions.
    I thought, importfighter; used poor taste in suggesting that the picture with someones head up their a**, was vocus. Very crude! So in post #321, I made a flippant comment,and for that I am sorry. Please seek to understand vocus, he is a good guy!

    respectfully,
    protegextwo
  • jmn2786jmn2786 Posts: 15
    Yeh, I though the pic was uncalled for... but it was a really funny pic.
  • mobaymobay Posts: 45
    HI,

    In regards to your friend, Vocus.

    What I found vexing was the deception.The charade of him "really liking the Neon " and then the biting remarks afterwards in subsuquent posts.

    Besides, when did this become the Mazda Protege' vs Neon discussion?

    Finally ,and I hope this is the end of it, and him. He opened his big mouth, and put his foot in it by promising to leave if "ANY publication" could be found that said the Neon is reliable.

    I fully expect him to keep his word.

    I can only hope he can lend his talents to another
    discussion group. I , for one, will not cry over his departure.

    End of the matter, and hopefully..., his posts.
  • barich1barich1 Posts: 57
    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/engaged/edmund.cgi?t=3846&c=Sedans

    Since all you Neon owners don't like hearing negative comments about your car, I made another topic for it.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    I do feel the Neon group has the RIGHT to post in their OWN topic with out having "trolls" posting repeated negative comments. Vocus is NOT a troll, he posted about sharing his Protege DX and his roomate's Dodge Neon at Protege #3 long before he came here with his opinions. Nonetheless, I don't think Paul feels his post's entirely fit in a Protege vs. Neon format. Paul is in his early 20's and wants to go fast and enjoy a sporty crisp handling car. The Neon does that, " HE LOVES THAT!!!" This same Neon, that he commutes in daily; has build quality issues," HIS REALITY, DETAILED IN HIS MANY POSTS, HERE AT THE DODGE/PLYMOUNTH NEON TOPIC!" So, he truly has a love/hate relationship with his car! Posting his questions, concerns, opinions, and comments in a "versus" topic is not exactly what he has in mind. Vocus is not the fair-hared boy of the Mazda Protege owners topic,(He is often critical of his Protege DX) but.....He is a prolific poster and always says whats on his mind. For that he has my respect. I am sure, he will engage in the new topic, barich1, but....I doubt the NEON folks will! Just my 2 cents!

    respectfully,
    protegextwo
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    It's just sad that I cannot come in and express my own opinion without being shunned because I am not having a perfect experience with the (supposed) best small car on the road. That's fine. It just shows the mentality level of some of the people in this topic. And it also shows that they are very good in starting arguments but when the other party starts to win, they begin to throw accusations around in everyone's face.

    And NO I will not stop visiting this topic or posting here. This is a free forum and I will continue to post and visit, because I was right anyway. I said show me a publication in print (consumer-related) that shows the Neon to be reliable. Since I am in the PR business, I know the most-prominent ones are Consumer Digest, Kiplinger's Personal Finance, and Consumer Reports. I KNOW Cons. Reports doesn't recommend the Neon for anything but trouble. And Consumer Digest and Kiplinger's Personal Finance magazines don't either. CASE CLOSED!

    But that's fine. The Neon might not be reliable, but it's a helluva lot of fun on a twisty off-ramp. The power is great, but the steering needs to be as quick as the Protege's and it would be perfect.
  • barich1barich1 Posts: 57
    Perhaps I should make one called "Neon vs. Neon, The Inner Conflict." Would that be more appropriate for Paul? :-)
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Sorry, but I do like both cars. I like the Protege more because it has had ONE trip to the repair shop in almost 25K where the Neon has had 4 in only 15K. And Mazda gives better customer service. Chrysler doesn't even offer a rental car overnight for warranty repairs! They told me it's up to the dealership. And some of the 5-star ones don't even offer that. That sucks!
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    With Kiplinger's against the neon, and they are such a highly respected automotive magazine. I remember all the good times sitting around bench racing with my fellow gearheads over the latests hop up article in Kiplinger's. God forbid the biggest company on earth print a good report on the neon, I know, I know they needed that extra $5000 chrysler slipped them in thier troubled times. Consumer reports changes their ratings back and forth all the time I guess thats why you are so fond of that publication. Consumers Digest... what it that, and obvious spin off of reports, I doubt since they stole the name they probably steal the reasearch and just post whatever consumer reports said, changing a few lines here and there like a 4th grader doing a report out of an encyclopedia.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Kiplinger's personal finance magazine does an automotive layout in one issue a year, recommending all cars based on resale value, cost of owning, prices new, fuel economy, crash safety, and things like that. Neon wasn't recommended by them. Consumer Digest is NOT a spin-off of Consumer Reports, not even owned by the same company or anything like that. They have "Best Buy" picks of cars all the time, and the Neon didn't make their list either.

    And as for Consumer Reports, they change their ratings of cars so often because they are constantly surveying owners on reliability and things of that sort. One time a car might be reliable, but the next it will be less so. Does this make any sense to you now?? DUH!!
  • jmn2786jmn2786 Posts: 15
    The only reason I posted that was because you made a challege (one that was pretty easy to make).

    The Neon is a Consumer Guide Recommended Buy!

    http://cg.superpages.com/cgi-bin/php/new/reports/full/intro?CarId=19

    Their only real complaint is the fact the 3sp AT is a power and gas sucker. I agree, If I wanted an AT I probably would have gone with a VW Jetta. I didn't, so I got the Neon, and I'm not sorry I did. Seems that most of the reviews I've read have been with the 3sp AT, which I think gives the reviewer a false sense of the 5sp's capabilities.

    If you read any other forum on edmunds (protege, jetta, focus). You will find other disgruntled owners. That insist since they had a problem, all of that model are crap. This isn't true.

    I don't think these generalizations are true. Any of them. The media is always biased for whatever the reason, thats why you should never buy a car simply on a review. From what I have read and seen myself the Neon, Focus, Jetta, Sentra are all solid cars that will most likely bring any owner years of satisfied service. It's the things that make the car unique to our needs that actually get us to buy it. I chose the Neon because of it's performance, styling, handling, features, and price. It's a great package that has served my needs very well.

    One person's experience with a car or a dealer is not a realistic portrail of the hundreds of thousands of other people and cars of that model.

    Anyway, Vocus, you have posted your problem OVER and OVER again, do you have to keep reposting the same story? At least talk about something different. It's good to have people on both sides, or the discussion would be boring. I think you are generalizing though, and that is bad without data to back it up.

    Good Day,

    A completely satisfied Neon owner.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Consumer Guide does Recommend the Neon. I have that publication and I forgot about that one. My fault. But they add the "Recommended" status based on the test review and all, not factoring in reliability. The others do factor in reliability.

    Anyway, the Neon is a respectable entry in the subcompact class and we all know that. It just needs to improve its reliability a bit better and Chrysler needs to improve their customer service IMO.

    And, we got all the stuff fixed on the Neon under warranty except the tapping engine, which they refuse to recognize. When it blows its head, then they will fix it. Fine, because it's covered for 75K and I am sure, if it's tapping at 15K, it will below shortly.
  • jmn2786jmn2786 Posts: 15
    The head gasket issue tha plagued 95, 96, 97, and early 98 Neons HAS BEEN FIXED.
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