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  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    How often do you have seperate settings for your dual zone climate control? I've had this feature in previous vehicles and, about 90% of the time, I found that both zones were set to the exact same temperature.

    The trip computer, at least in my van, displays the compass, outside temperature, average fuel economy, instantaneous fuel economy, distance to empty, odometer, and elasped time since startup. I could use the outside temperature, as well as the average and instaneous fuel economy. The rest I could do without. The last two are just toys to impress people with in my case, and nothing more ;-)


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  • wevkwevk Posts: 179
    Aesthetics aside, I have found our 2001 T&C better in every way compared to our 96. I read somewhere that it costs Chrysler $1,000 more to build the 2001 models than the previous ones.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    Ody and Sienna don't have the things you mentioned neither. As for styling, I personally do not like the two Japanese vans when compares to my 2001 T&C.
  • fit2btidefit2btide Posts: 5
    My wife and I just went to test drive a 2001 GC. The exterior changes are fine, but the interior, especially the dash, looks too boxy. We both think our 98's black and tan dash is much nicer with it's smooth curves and gently rounded edges. And the logo on our steering wheel is nicely subdued rather than the new in-your-face ram logo. The 2001 isn't too much different, but has more distinct angles and appears cheaper overall. It almost turned us off from a new van completely, and probably would have if it weren't for the practicality of having one with our 3 young kids, and the fact that we've had such a good experience with our 98. But, our lease is up and I prefer to get a new vehicle.
  • dave210dave210 Posts: 237
    If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the Odyssey LX and Toyota Sienna LE have the same black strips or moldings along the side that you are talking about? If I'm not mistaken, you have to move up to the Odyssey EX, Toyota Sienna XLE, Dodge Grand Caravan EX, the Dodge Grand Caravan ES, or ANY of the Town & Country's to get body colored moldings. Also I believe the 1999 Dodge Grand Caravan SE's (like the one you have) have black bumpers and black side moldings that are equally or more pronounced than the small black strip on the 2001 Sports. I'm not interrogating you, but wouldn't it be like the pot calling the kettle black if you kept on saying how you are going to hold onto your 99 GC SE because of these flaws in the 2001's? Also, although I know you won't want to hear this, but the new EX GC is a far better buy in terms of features when compared to a GC Sport, even though it comes with a power seat and power hatch that you don't like. Too bad though it doesn't have a trip computer, but in my LTD I usually only use the temp read out settings, for the other stuff seems a little gimmicky (but okay to have) to me. Anyway, the Odyssey and Sienna both don't even offer a temp read out and compass, let alone a trip computer, when looking at the models you're looking at.
  • carleton1carleton1 Posts: 560
    drew: We have same readouts on our 99 GC as you have on your van. I always have my temperature much warmer than my wife (both of us 63 years old)which is just the opposite of when we were younger. I switch back and forth from compass/outside temp, avg economy, and instant economy. I could do without the DTE. It was nice to see it was 10 hrs 45 minutes from Anaheim to home with elapsed time feature.
    Others: I think T&C more attractive now than GC in all comparable trim levels. YES...our 99 GC SE has a WIDE black rub strip and black bumpers. I feel the color coordinated 99 GC Sport is far more attractive. Correct about Ody and Sienna rub strips being black on all but EX and XLE. I feel DC minivans are still the most attractive but not as nice looking as pre-2001 from any angle. T&C still as attractive as pre-2001....Dodge are not (in my opinion).

    While getting Oil and Oil Filter change today I sat inside a gorgeous dark blue/gray 2001 ES made Oct 4 at 7 AM. The Sales Manager did not believe me when I asked why it had sat here for 6 months so she looked at computer....sure enough...200 days in the inventory. She said people get scared when MSRP is over $30,000.
    The seats of 2001 ES are MORE comfortable than our 99 SE (except for middle 3rd seat)and the middle of 3rd 50/50 split seat is comfortable ...but not as much as either end. I would love the Triple Zone Temp better than our Dual Zone. I am just irritated that DC took off my beloved Trip Computer on all but ES as I feel it a VERY NICE feature and well worth the price.
    BTW: Trip computer showed 29.2 AVG MPG when leaving Calif 57 at Katella Blvd and 687 trip miles. Dropped to only 27.5 MPG when we left interstate at our daughters at 1345 trip miles. Going uphill with a headwind consumes alot of fuel and the extra torque of 3.8L would have been very nice. It read 31.1 MPG enroute when left interstate at 25.5 trip miles to get passengers and 28.2 MPG when we re-entered. The avg mileage gradually rose back to 29.8 at St. George Utah but dropped to 29.2 at Calif 57 and Katella. It is very interesting to see how much the average mileage is affected by stop and go and city driving.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    You shouldn't be playing the trip computer too much while driving the van. It is almost as bad as talking on the cell phone : -)
  • carleton1carleton1 Posts: 560
    I need to develop more self control while driving our very nice GC. It would be nicer and safer if DC put the controls for the Overhead Console on the steering wheel with the readout placed inside the instrument cluster.
    Apparently the title of the 1999 Caravan brochure titled "We thought of everything" is not correct.
  • BKSuttonBKSutton Posts: 23
    Drew - In response to #975 this is most likely varies among all owners. I've seen many posts who think this option is a waste.

    Quite frankly my wife and I love the feature in her Volvo. We have different settings much of the time. She often tends to be colder than I am, hence she sets her side higher. And it does work. I'm not cooked while she's comfortable.

    This is one feature that makes a Chrysler more of a choice than the Honda. People who commute around town may not notice the usefulness of the feature- but on longer trips its very nice.

    If you and your wife often agree on climatic conditions you may not find you change it that often.
    -- BKS
  • BKSuttonBKSutton Posts: 23
    Way back 30 posts or so there was a brief up-roar about the magic seat. Nifty feature yes. A shortcoming many people fail to mention in reviews is the complete unavailability of a full size spare and no easy place to put the flat. It won't fit where the spare came from in the Odyssey.

    If I'm on a road trip and get a flat I'd much rather be able to throw a legitmate full size tire on the vehicle than a dinky spare. And I also wouldn't have to worry about reconfiguring cargo and/or people so I can put the flat tire inside the van since it won't fit in the well between the first and second row seats.
    -- BKS
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Well it all comes down to personal preferences, doesn't it? People who have never felt the need to fiddle with the climate control settings probably won't count it as an advantage in the Chrysler over the Honda. Thank you both for your comments.

    Carry on,

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  • dfsykesdfsykes Posts: 11
    FYI - here is my recent purchase info for anyone getting close to a purchase. I ordered from the factory an Lxi AWD loaded with all options. the negotiations consisted of 2 e-mails back and forth followed by a 10 minute phone conversation. The price was invoice (including a $475 regional advertising fee)less $2000 for consumer rebate (no financing) less $500 for dealer cash incentive for a total of $2,500 below invoice. I think I could have done better if I was willing to go through the torture of negotiating at the dealership. I think it is clear that very good deals are available with very little effort due to the slow sales of this vehicle. If anyone has additional questions I will try to help. Thanks to all in this forum who helped me in recent months.
  • rolfe2rolfe2 Posts: 81
    For those of you who, like me, are waiting for a fix to the 2100 rpm resonance problem in the 2001 AWD models, here is what my technician told me yesterday. DC has identified the problem -- an underdesigned shaft coming out of the power take-off unit. He said that at certain frequencies it "flops around like a noodle" (probably an exaggeration) and transmits vibration to the driveline.

    He has heard that a fix will be available in the September timeframe. (Note this is later than the "summer" timeframe I reported I'd heard earlier.)

    Once again, I can't vouch for the accuracy of this information -- you should confirm it with your zone rep.

    --rolfe.
  • carleton1carleton1 Posts: 560
    will not consider the extra cargo space and "Magic Seat" an advantage of Odyssey such as do the Edmund's reviewers. Personally, I find the Dual Zone (now Triple Zone) Temperature Control far more desirable than the extra cargo space.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    If I want to buy 5 sheets of 4' x 8' plywood should I keep the "magic seats" up or make it flat with the floor?... I have asked this question in Ody vs. DC but nobody answers. Since most of the "magic seats" owners comes in DC's forum, I thought I should post the question here.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    If I recall correctly from Consumer Reports, you can fold the 3rd row seat into the floor for that task, or you can flip foward the 2nd and 3rd row seatbacks and place the wood on top of the seatbacks instead.


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  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    I guess the DC van can take the same amount of plywood as the Ody since the "magic seats" don't really save the 2nd row for passenger.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Well no, of course the wood won't fit behind the 2nd row. The minivans are not long enough to transport 8 feet of wood inside like that. You'll need a full-size van or a pickup truck for that. What I've done is just secure it to the roof of the van. The hardware store is only about 10 minutes away from home, so it's not too tough. :-)


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  • h20guyh20guy Posts: 64
    since my oddy is only good for hauling plywood I am going to sell it and buy a DC O.K. get a clue people we all have our own needs. open your eyes.
  • h20guyh20guy Posts: 64
    Edmonds is getting very redundent and borring. Please kick it up a notch.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    No, your Ody not even good for hauling plywood because if you make the magic seats flat with the floor you have to take out the 2nd row in order to have the plywoods lay flat on the floor. For those of you who buy sheet rock and plywood every week...buy a truck.

    P.S. Now I know where to post message that is related to Ody...in a DC's forum
  • rudy1000rudy1000 Posts: 21
    Hi,
    I am in the market for a new mini-van.Just saw a little 2001 caravan at the lights and man what an atrractive mini-van,I couldn't stop looking at the thing.Does anyone tow a tent trailer with the smaller 3.3(around 1500 lbs.)

    Appreciate any comments!!
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    the towing capacity of the 2001 Caravan varies with engine size. The capacity with the 3.8V6 is 3800 lbs.
  • lsherlsher Posts: 29
    I'm settled on buying a I&I Lei WAD, but I'm concerned about the 2100 ram resonance--not only the immediate annoyance but the long term durability of the parts that are too noodle. What I'd like to know is whether there is any kind of guarantee from DC that a vehicle purchased now will be fixed under the warranty when the fix becomes available.
    -Larry
    Napes, NY
  • carleton1carleton1 Posts: 560
    Very few manufacturers or dealers are nearly as prompt to fix something after they have your money as they are to make the sale.
  • lsherlsher Posts: 29
    Sorry about the spelling in message #998. I wrote it correctly, then stupidly tried out Edmunds horrible "Check Spelling." When this "checker" munged my post but offered to leave it as in the original text, I studied the offer very carefully, then accepted the offer to keep the spelling as I wrote it. The pending (30 minutes to cancel) message came up as I wrote it. This morning, I see that overnight the spelling corrector had its way with me. The message should read:

    I'm settled on buying a T&C LXi AWD, but I'm concerned about the 2100 rpm resonance--not only the immediate annoyance but the long term durability of the parts that are too noodley. What I'd like to know is whether there is any kind of guarantee from DC that a vehicle purchased now will be fixed under the warranty when the fix becomes available.

    Has anyone who has complained to his/her dealer about this problem been told that it will be fixed under warranty when the fix becomes available?
    -Larry
    Naples, NY
  • DTKWOKDTKWOK Posts: 131
    Answering your question by referring to h20guy's previous comments, we all have different needs. With that said, yes, the DC can hold as much plywood as the Ody, but which one would be easier to configure to do that? Why would I need a truck to get ply wood when I have a van, unless of course you're going to be hauling concrete or cinder blocks...
    Okay a little info on one of my hobbies, I play paintball somewhat regularly. Going to the field with the magic seat down ONLY, I usually take 6 other people's gear (guns, compressed cylinders -CO2 and nitro, paintballs, etc...) while 5 people go in another vehicle. At the end of the day, most of our supplies are used up, so we load the equipment on the other vehicle. Now just fold up the magic seat and voila! (sp?) 4 more people get to ride with me. The "people van" usually goes for food while the cargo car goes home, and drops off the equipment to join us for dinner. Try doing that in a DC.... So, even if you're not hauling 4 x 8's the magic seat works for me, again, different people, different needs.

    DTKWOK
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    Now this is an answer for a question.
  • blukensblukens Posts: 8
    Hello all,

    My wife and I were concerned about the noise at 2100 rpm on the AWD T & C. We had ordered one last month, and then started reading about the vibration/noise.

    We took delivery at noon today and drove 250 miles, mostly highway, with a short detour through a winding section of the Blue Ridge Parkway. We heard no unusual vibration or noise at any speed, and I was listening carefully at the 2000-2300 RPM area. Everything was smooth and quiet.

    This is a Limited AWD, with everything except heated seats. Trailer towing package/4 CD changer.

    I drove on I-81 for 2.5 hours and tried hard to get it to make an unusual sound or vibration.
    Everything on mine is fine.

    It was put through the assembly line in Windsor May 2 through 4 and railroaded it NC, thence to Bedford, VA, where I picked it up at Dominion Chrysler.

    Maybe they fixed it?

    I'll keep listening.

    For those of you who had the vibration/noise-
    Did it start later in the life of the van or was it evident from the first day?

    Bill (Very pleased with the first day!)
  • fcas2004fcas2004 Posts: 15
    Blukens,

    Outside temperature is an important factor in hearing the noise; the lower the temp the louder the noise. I test drove 2 AWDs, once at 50F and the second time at 60F. As best that I can compare, it was louder at 50F.

    Good luck with it.
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