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Dodge Caravan/Chrysler Voyager



  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    A Voyager is a nice vehicle but never had the "luxury" (or snob?) appeal of Town & Country just as Plymouth was never perceived to be an upscale sedan like Chrysler was for decades before the K cars were introduced.

         When I looked at the 2002 Kia Sedona EX it appeared on the surface as luxurious and about the size of the 2002 Chrysler Voyager. However, a closer comparison showed that the Sedona EX lacked many of the nice features of the Chrysler Voyager.

         I am very pleased with my 2002 Chrysler T&C LX but realize it is the re-incarnation of what was known for years as the Plymouth Grand Voyager SE. A 2000 Chrysler T&C LX was a MUCH nicer minivan than the 2000 Plymouth Grand Voyager SE that sold as a Plymouth in late 1999 and was re-labeled the Chrysler Grand Voyager SE in January 2000.

         None of the NEW 2005 Chrysler SWB T&C (that I have looked at)have a tachometer although the tachometer is standard on the Caravan SXT and not available on the Caravan SE.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    I agree with what you are saying. IMO, Chrysler's decision to: first, do away with the Plymouth name; and, then, second, to drop the Plymouth model names and turn them into versions of "Chrysler" versions was a bad decision all the way around. The "Town and Country" name was meant to separate them as being "nicer" than others of similar appearance. Now, with the old Voyager now called a Town and Country, I feel it is another step backward for the brand. I'm not saying that the vans are not good--I would not have bought 2 in the last 4 years if I thought that--I'm just saying that it takes the luster off the higher end vans when they have the same name as the low end vans.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    My local Dodge dealer is advertising a 2005 Caravan SXT with air, V6 and CD for $14,900. How can that be? A base model, maybe; but, don't SXT versions sticker around $22k? I wonder if it's a demo?
  • Did you read the fine print? Dealer loyalty, armed svcs., realtor among many "discounts"

    You won't have to pay sticker, but probably about halfway between $15k and $22k
  • mfahey1mfahey1 Posts: 419
    Did you ever get a chance to check out the service receipt? My wife is taking the van on a trip to see family and I was hoping to fix whatever it is before she goes.
  • Aw man. I forgot to check the receipt. Thanks for reminding me. I will check it tonight and get back to you. (Got side tracked with Christmas)
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    I'm sure it's some deal like that. They say "Price after all rebates." I'm sure that means with college grad, active duty military, senior citizen, whatever Chrysler Financial offers. They also have a Grand Caravan SXT with the 3.8 V6 and rear entertainment for $22,500 "after all rebates." I'm sure very few customers will qualify for all rebates.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    2005 Caravan SXT MSRP is $ 22,287 (including $665 Destination).

         But, it is a very nicely equipped minivan with the 3.3L V6, 2nd row bucket seats, Dual-Zone temperature (driver and front passenger separate controls), cast wheels, and Speed Control.

         The $1400 Option Group includes the complete overhead console with compass/outside temp and trip computer, 8 way power driver seat, 50/50 split folding rear seat, roof rack, and illuminated visor vanity mirrors for MSRP $23,685.

         The Caravan SXT is a much nicer vehicle than the Chrysler SWB clone...and it is impossible to get exactly the same optional equipment on the 2.

         The GC SXT is a less expensive clone of the Chrysler T&C Touring while the GC SE Plus is a clone of the T&C LX .

         SXT in Caravan or Grand Caravan is THE BEST BUY in minivans although the Ody EX with a $3100 discount is a close 2nd to the GC SXT with a $1500 discount. A GC SE Plus with 8 way power seat and Equipment Group II costs almost as much as the GC SXT but lacks power sliding doors both sides, cast wheels, the 3.8L V6, and more nice features. No one would buy either a GC SE Plus or a T&C LX if they closely compared pricing on all DC models.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    My acquaintance bought a well equipped new 1999 GC SE in 1999 and got $4900 discount and rebates when the advertisement read "$6,000 Discount all Grand Caravans".

         He did not get the recent college graduate or small business rebates that added up $1100 of the total $6,000 in the ad.

         DaimlerChrysler advertising is very misleading.
  • It has nothing to do with DC being misleading. In my Sunday paper there are "screamer" ads from dealerships that insult your intelligence, and other ads from dealers selling the same product, that are realistic with their prices and availability. (no bait and switch) Unfortunately, DC (and other makes) have no control on how their dealers sell and service the vehicles they manufacture, other than the useless 5-Star designation in Chrysler's case.
  • jglackinjglackin Posts: 164
    "I suspect that if you ask for the after rebate price at a Chrysler dealer, they'll figure out a way to get you the price whether you qualify for the rebates or not."


    Steve, I am surprised and disappointed that a Host would post such a view. You should realize that rebates are disclosed to the consumer and to the manufacturer. Proof of qualification for rebates has to be included in the deal (i.e. a copy of degree for college grad program) – for audit purposes. Negotiation on price is one thing – suggesting illegalities to your readers is entirely another. Please consider deleting your post. Thanks.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,917
    Not all rebates are disclosed to the consumer. We know about consumer rebates and often know about dealer cash. There's more going on between the manufacturer and the dealer that we don't know about (incentives for moving certain models, or for meeting a sales quota, bonus Caribbean cruises, etc.).


    If the dealer sells a van to my neighbor after rebates for $20k, why should I buy the same van for $22k? I don't care if I'm not eligible for the listed rebates or incentives and I don't expect the dealer to try any shenanigans with the manufacturer, but I do care that I'm buying a car that's going to be worth less because the incentives have lowered the market value (now and in the future).


    I don't think I suggested lying about being qualified for a specific incentive - there's nothing illegal about asking for the same price that the next person got. I just think there's room on the table for the dealer to give me the same deal as he gave the neighbor, even though I may not qualify for the posted incentives.


    If the deal doesn't make financial sense for the dealer, they'll let me walk down the road to the next showroom.


    Gotta add a link <g>:


    Wall Street Journal


    Steve, Host
  • jglackinjglackin Posts: 164
    no Steve, you suggested that the dealership would lie for you if you walked out "once or twice".
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,917
    Well, I suppose you could read it that way. Not my intent though. I'm always harping on focusing on your out the door price and equated the after rebate price my neighbor got as being my out the door target.


    Maybe Terry will stop in with the dealer's viewpoint and tell me I'm out to lunch. At which point Bobst can do his "tell them your number" spiel.


    For info on other incentives that don't get a lot of press, check out the Rebates, Incentives, APRs - Questions & Comments discussion.


    Steve, Host
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,917
    I'm sure very few customers will qualify for all rebates


    Yes but people don't like paying more for the same item than the next person.


    Even if you don't qualify for the offered rebates, my feeling is that you should still be able to negotiate a price that approaches the price another person may get with the rebates.


    To me, if the dealer/manufacturer is offering a van for $4,000 under MSRP after rebates, then that's what the van is worth.


    Sales, meanwhile, must be ok:


    " The Chrysler side of DaimlerChrysler ... is expected to continue its string of seven straight months of stronger results, some analysts said"




    Steve, Host
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Good summary. I would be very upset if I had purchased a new vehicle for $23,999 and then my neighbor got an identically equiped vehicle for $19,999.

         Ford, GM, and Chrysler have been the worst offenders for having rebates to move vehicles. The consumer has benefitted greatly by Edmunds publishing the information on wholesale, retail, rebates, and incentives to dealers on new vehicles.
  • jglackinjglackin Posts: 164
    we have a retailer here whose slogan is 'an educated consumer is our best customer'. Nobody wants to feel like they got robbed, but some people will always make a purchase w/o research. I'll bet that none of the readers here will pay more than their proverbial neighbor for the identical car. It will likely be the other way around - and, as long as the neighbor felt like they got a good deal they don't have much to complain about. The onus is always on the consumer to be educated/prepared.
  • It was the 1) Front link, sway bar; 2) Link-sway eliminator; 3) Bushing-sway eliminator and 4) Cushion, front sway bar that needed to be replaced. Cost $173.12 in parts. Our mileage was 52K. Hope this helps.
  • paulnpauln Posts: 1
    In 2001 we bought a new Grand Caravan ES with with all the bells and whistles. What we've found out is that the quality of the bells and whistles is pretty poor. So far with only 68K miles we've had to replace a power window motor for $250 and a whole power seat assembly. for $465. Note the power seat assembly is all one part with 3 motors and all the operating hardware. Our power seat motors were fine, but something was jammed causing the seat to only move 2 notches. The dealer says they can only replace the whole thing.


    When I communicated with Dodge they sent a kiss off letter. Both things occurred just after warranty. I kept the seat assembly to find out what really went wrong and to remind me to avoid Chrysler products in the future.


    Buyer beware.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Excellent post. That is why I have avoided power windows, power seats, NAV, etc. as long as I could.

         Same with high tech OHC engines.
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