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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008

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  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    Name an un-biased review of the Impala yet?
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    http://www.thecarplace.com/impala.htm

    This is the first one...more coming your way...
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    http://www.allpar.com/reviews/2000/impala.html

    Even the Dodge fans can recognize the virtues of this car!
  • sable93sable93 Posts: 107
    Teo,

    I have nothing to say against or for the Impala (since I know very little about them), but the www.epinions.com reviews I don't feel are very valuable. If you read a bunch of the Taurus reviews, you'll notice that people are complaining about their old Tauruses (many from the early 90s.) What does that have to do with the newer Tauruses. As an owner of a '97 (and a former owner of a '93 Sable), I can say that the cars are completely different. The Impala is a brand new car. There aren't any 1993 Impala owners there to complain about problems with their car.

    I haven't checked out any of the other webpages, but do you really care whether we like the Impala or not. To me, all that is important is that I like my car, and I can easily say that I love my '97 Taurus GL. I hope you enjoy your Impala.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    The feeling is mutual :)
  • reesejreesej Posts: 23
    "... Ford hasn't figured out what to do about this yet, especially since every 2000 Taurus has been built with this defect."

    Not every 2000 Taurus is affected -- The moldings fit just fine on my SES -- I can't look down into the door at all. My Taurus was built in Chicago in early 2000 (took delivery March 16th). Perhaps this defect is limited to after a certain date or at only one plant.
  • barjonbarjon Posts: 27
    Reesej, I'm glad to hear your car doesn't have this problem. Perhaps it was built with the last of their supply of moldings from a previous lot.

    My car was also assembled in Chicago, on May 1. After taking delivery on May 27, every single Taurus I've looked at, whether made in Chicago or Atlanta, on 2 dealers' lots looks exactly like mine.

    In fact, the first step my dealer's service manager took was to order new moldings. He inspected them when they came in, only to find they were formed as poorly as the ones already on my car, and saw no sense in making the switch.

    Hopefully you are correct that this is limited to cars manufactured during a small period of time.
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    Impala is rated as a full sized car

    Chevrolet tried to rate Impala this way last year, than stop. You can see this yourself at the official GM site, gmbuypower: just search across from all GM makes for body style. Impala is rated to be mid-size, as well as Malibu.

    Malibu is now positioned as a mid-size car. To me, it is a Corsica-like rental appliance.

    Know nothing about Corsica, but I work almost next door to a rental office and half block from another one and I saw a lot of their cars. Yes, Malibu is a rental workhorse. As well as Taurus. Must be dependable enough and not quirky.

    As about size, well, I own a 98 Malibu and 88 Taurus Wagon. When we bought the Malibu, both my wofe and I considered it to be a small compact car. But, somehow, it always took not so compact place in my parking garage (very cramped one, downtown, in an old building).

    Intrigued, I took both manuals from the glove boxes and compared dimensions. It turned to be that Malibu is only 1/8 inch (3mm) shorter than 1988 Taurus wagons and somewhat longer than the sedans. Not so small cars.

    Also, there is more rear legroom in Malibu - more place for my son. And the trunk is very large, while, unfortunately still no wagon.

    In other words, Malibu looks smaller than it is in reality, with the opposite for Taurus. Just a design.

    On the other hand, all Tauruses are somewhat wider, and the 96-2000 Tauruses are longer too.
  • 2k_impala_ls2k_impala_ls Posts: 311
    Ford sells ONE midsized car. GM MAKES MANY. Add all the GM midsized sales together and guess WHO THE REAL # 1 IS. DID THEY FIGURE OUT YET HOW THAT FIESTA SPOILER GOT ON THE TAURUS?
  • ohio7ohio7 Posts: 67
    Re: #238 I've had my SEL for three weeks today. Have only driven it four times because I don't know how to operate anything in the interior! I've been driving a 1984 Mustang and the technology has passed me by. My red car came from another dealer other than the one that I bought it from. Thanks to them it came with gold pin striping that really looks sharp! I've not seen any 2000 Tauruses with stripes. Haven't seen any with a spoiler either, but I think that it would not look good with the newer design. It stands well as is.

    Re: #292 Barjon, I guess you didn't see my posting #191. It was directed to you. I'm happy with the fix they did. In talking recently to my salesman, they plan on fixing the gaps that are real bad on other cars and then charging Ford later.

    Regarding the "L" - he has ordered one. I have seen SES and SEL on a couple of cars. I bet most people don't realize that they're missing or really don't care. When they go to sell they will wish that they had gotten it fixed.
  • 2k_impala_ls2k_impala_ls Posts: 311
    READ THIS ABOUT FORD. THE 4TH MOST COMPLAINED ABOUT COMPANY. WHERES GM, NOT ON THE LIST. HMMMM
    http://ugetheard.com/wc.dll?ugripecls~FeedbackStats0_2
  • 2k_impala_ls2k_impala_ls Posts: 311
    I recently purchased a 1998 ford taurus se with 27,412 miles on it on 4/12/00. I have had it in for service (warranty work) 3 times now... 1) The transmission goes out 2 weeks after I bought it, 2) They have to repair the damage they did to my vehicle, 3) The shift assembly needed replacement (6/2/00 - 6/8/00). You mean to tell me that SOUTHGATE FORD of Michigan does not have the resources to detect problems with vehicles continuously brought in for service???? I have to take it back on Monday for bad something again. I am not sure what it is yet... it kind of sounds like something is really loose in the back of the car, which the car is front wheel drive! Brakes or something similar to that I suppose. I am demanding a replacement vehicle as I am afraid of what will happen when the warranty expires. Word for the wise: hindsight is always 20/20... take your time, look around... and by all means, buy something other than a Ford Taurus!!!!
  • fordman33fordman33 Posts: 32
    Could have been any model - when you buy used, you don't know what your getting.
  • greggk11greggk11 Posts: 1
    -- All new Taurus' have the cabin air filter (particulate filter). This helps keep dust out of the car. Change interval is 15k miles.

    -- I've been driving my new Taurus since December, I got the SEL trim level with the 24V Duratec, MACH stereo with side air bags. I was very impressed with the build quality on this car, everything fit together nicely with no squeaks or rattles. The acceleration and the car is beatiful, and I've gotten a lot of complements on it. I just hit 15k miles with no problems.

    -- OK, I forgot I did/do have one issue. When the car is in overdrive at about 35-40mph on a flat surface it will "trailer-hitch" or modulate slightly some times. Dealer checked and didn't have a fix for it. Had the computer re-flashed for a recall and that didn't fix it. It's a minor annoyance.

    -- The only thing I'd change on the car is the seats. I bought it off the lot and it came with no cost leather seats. I never had leather seats before and find these a little uncomfortable (hard). Go with the cloth seat covers.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    FORD SELLS ONE MIDSIZE CAR (actually two-Sable)

    GM SELLS (too) MANY.

    You're still missing the point. Why do they need to burn cost and resources engineering and marketing sooo many different cars that compete with each other essentially?

    Bottom line-if the Chevy Impala is soo freakin awesome, then why doesn't the Chevy Impala outsell the Taurus? Chevrolet and Ford are direct competitors. Chevy probably has more dealers. The cars are the same class. Last I saw, the Taurus probably outsells the Impala 2 to 1.

    Back when GM actually had market share, it made sense to offer many different models (Regal, Cutalss Supreme, etc.) They sold enough of each make to make it worthwhile.

    At the very least, for all the effort GM puts forth to make so many different midsized offerings, a Chevy midsized sedan that is in direct competition with a mid sized Ford should still outsell Ford shouldn't it?

    No, it only sells half maybe. Why? You figure it out.

    All the sales of the Grand Prix Intrigue and Regal/Century added to the Impala should be double or more than the Taurus but my bet is its probably close to equal. So GM having all those extra choices is nice but it certainly isn't sending shockwaves through the market.

    Too manhy folks today are more fond of Passats, Camrys, Accords, AND Tauruses instead of the GM's.
  • fordman33fordman33 Posts: 32
    Just had my 2000 SE in for the "free 30 day checkup". The dealer verified that it does have the cabin air filter. I don't know why the book is so vague about which models have the filter. I have some concern about the rear door molding problem mentioned earlier; I mentioned it to the shop - they didn't seem concerned and I didn't have time to argue about it today. I will definitely keep an eye on this issue.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    It took Ford Motor Company 10 years to fix most of the Taurus reliability issues. The first Taurus went on sale on 1986 and the car became more or less trouble free until the dismal 1996 redesign.

    Why Taurus sells well?. Because it is valued priced and marketed at very close price points in relation to its main targets: The Accord and Camry. The Taurus offers "more car" for the money than either Camry and Accord, plus the Taurus is styled more in tune to what import buyers are looking for (Milk and Toast design cues, better assembly quality, more space, better engines,etc).

    Now, if you try to sell a "base" Taurus at more than $21,000 per unit, Ford would have a more difficult time moving them out of dealership lots. You can get a nicely equipped Taurus in the neighborhood of 18K to 19K, so that cuts right into Accord/Camry Territory.

    Now, GM and Chysler midsize offerings compete more among each other than with the Accord/Camry duo. For instance the Impala target market is the Crown Victoria, Dodge Intrepid and Ford Taurus. Each one of these are Domestic cars. So guys, the why the Impala doesn't go after the Camry/Accord sales is a lame argument to say the least. Impala, Intrepid, Regal,etc,etc appeal to more traditional domestic buyers than for one reason or another don't have their tastes gravitating toward absolute 'Import' oriented autos.

    The Impala has been selling close to 15,000 units per month, a figure that the old Luminas could only dream of. So not bad for a first year Chevy model in the market right there in the 10/11th sales spots.

    Would the Impala brake the barrier and compete head to head with the Taurus?? May be, but GM needs to sell close to 200,000 cars per year to see those goals a reality. Remember that the "Impala" moniker has a much wider market recognition than the "Taurus" moniker, altough Ford has done a commendable job to boost the car's popularity. When t GM sold 1 million Impalas in 1965 (No other car or automaker has been able to beat this sales record)Ford didn't even dreamed about the "Taurus" then (21 years in the future)so,the Impala name carries much weight and automotive history with it. GM made a terrible mistake replacing such 'household' names as Impala and Malibu for the insipid "Corsica" and "Lumina" names. In the mid 1990's they realized about this mistake and the 94-96 Impala SS was reborn in more 'serious' caprice clothes. Ditto for the Malibu.

    The first Impala was launched to market in 1959 and the Last run was made until 1979 or 1980. Then the car was 'revived' in the mid 1990's and re-relased for longer production run in 2000.

    The upcoming Impala SS,Taurus SHO and Dodge Charger R/T should bring back the "Spice" in the high performance domestic sedan arena.

    People that view cars as RICE BURNERS are more fond into bland and boring Accords and Camrys and strongly believe that reliability and resale value are the very end of automotive history. (Been there done that). People that value high fashion looks, good performance and the European flair associated with german cars fall for Passats, Jettas, BMW's, etc. People that like more substantial sedans, better performance, better looks, more room, more safety, and more value for the dollar, look for domestic nameplates such as Taurus, Regal, Impala, Grand Prix, Intrigue, Intrepid,etc.

    So to put it in a more "Human" way:

    Japanese cars = Chinese food take out or delivery Pizza, reliable, plain and plenty tasty.

    European Cars = A good glass of Chardonnay with the best gourmet Salmon cut.

    American cars = An Ice Cold beer (Pick your favorite brand) with a 14oz new York Strip prime cut steak and French fries.

    Who doesn't like any of these choices?

    :-)
  • barjonbarjon Posts: 27
    I read your messages and I'm curious if you know exactly what your dealer did to make the moldings fit so much better. Did they use some sort of filler, or did they replace the moldings completely with some old stock?
  • emerson_temerson_t Posts: 2
    I have a new 2000 Taraus with 4,000 mile on it and my gas mileage in town is 15 and 16 mpg. That seems very low to me. I'm a sane driver and don't do jack rabbit starts etc. Has anyone else had this problem?
  • tcengiatcengia Posts: 4
    I know exactly what you mean. Right after purchasing our 2000 SES, I did 2 mileage checks on a combination city / highway drive profile. I got 23 MPG. After 3 weeks, I received the recall notice for the PCM, had it done, and ever since have experienced a loss of power and lost about 3 MPG.I am curious as to whether you received a recall notice after you purchased your car? I just returned from a 2400 mile trip, mostly highway driving at 70 MPH, and averaged 24 MPG. The car has 4520 miles on it.
  • emerson_temerson_t Posts: 2
    No, I didn't get a recall notice. I too took a 2000 mile trip and got 24 to 29 on the highway. The brand of gas seems to really matter in this car. I do ok with Texico.
  • barjonbarjon Posts: 27
    I'm also concerned about the mileage I'm getting from my new SEL with the Duratec, which now has 2300 miles on it. I'm only getting 19 mpg on my normal weekly mixed hwy/city driving, when I used to get 23 from the same exact driving with my 97 Taurus GL with the 12V engine.

    A friend told me to give it to at least 5,000 miles, but should it take that long for the engine to loosen up?
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    "Remember that the "Impala"
    moniker has a much wider market recognition than
    the "Taurus" moniker, altough Ford has done a
    commendable job to boost the car's popularity."

    Yeah to anyone over age 45 or 50!

    Ford since 1986 has probably sold 6 or 7 million Taurus'. Chevy since then has not registered the Impala name in big numbers although the Impala SS was successful (but not many copies).

    Most of todays car buying public has a greater recognition of Accord, Camry, Taurus than Impala.
  • nails1nails1 Posts: 1
    Dumb question. What's the difference between the factory installed and after market moonroof. I've been told by the dealer even factory installed moonroofs are not installed by the factory but done 'off site' after the vehicle has been built. Sounds odd.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    "Most of todays car buying public has a greater
    recognition of Accord, Camry, Taurus than Impala."

    Not sure if that will be the case anymore. The fact is that the Impala, beign one of the lowest priced all new for 2000 GM Midsizers, it already has some strong recognition in the car market. Give it some more time in the marketplace (Although Chevy needs to market this car a lot better)and with the Upcoming SS model, the Impala will seriously upset the sales figures of its main rivals.

    "Yeah to anyone over age 45 or 50!"

    Absolutely false. I am 28 and my wife is 24. We are right in the "lucrative" age group that buys new Volkswagens, Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, Acuras, Ford Focus and so forth. We both are professionals (Computer Engineer & technical Writer) Before we bought our Impala, we test drove a number of new "Hot and Trendy" cars...the Impala won in many respects of performance, value, quality and safety.

    If you conduct a survey in the Impala VII topic here in Edmunds, you'll be surprised to find that the great majority of Impala owners in that forum are under 35 years old. There are handful of Generation X'ers between the ages of 20 to 30 that have bought new Impalas. None of them were even born yet to witness the heyday of this model in the 1960's. Great job done by Chevy to bring back potential import buyers into a midsize V-6 domestic car. This car has a great following among young buyers....it says a lot about the car and breaks the myth that 20 somethings and 30 somethings will always prefer imported or more "Popular appealing" new cars.

    It is interesting to note that most "young" buyers see the Taurus fit more in the "45 or 50" age buyer group that you are talking about.
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