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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008



  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    in the same way you don't see yourself spending over $20k for a 300M, i don't see myself spending $18k for a taurus.
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    Hey badgeran, you may have a point. The current set of rotors and pads only has 20K on them. Most of my driving is highway, but with all the construction up here (NH and MA) you invariably have to stand on them once in a while.

    The thing that puzzles me is, the service guy telling me "your brakes are paper thin". When I told him the rotors are still fairly new he says "well you need them cut then". It might be time to go back to Midas.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    I was sure Ford would make larger mirrors for the revised 2004 Taurus. Don't you think the outside mirrors are way too small, especially comparing to Impala, Camry and Accord?
  • riswamiriswami Posts: 192
    cut the rotors. Rotors warp on these cars and new ones are fairly inexpensive. If you have to do the brakes get new rotors.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    I just got back from 9 vacation day spent in 2 South American countries. No Tauri, Sables or Camries there. Mostly WV's, Peugeots and Fiats with few Honda Civics and almost no Toyota Corollas.

    Price of gasoline is U$1 for a liter. They don't sell per gallon. People buy smaller and smaller cars because they can not afford price of fuel. They pay very high taxes on fuel. They look to buy diesel powered vehicles.

    Upon arrival back in New York, I saw gas went up here. I won't complain, I can still afford it, life is better here, G'd bless America. Missed my Sable with all its faults.

    Have a good Labor Day everyone!
  • upsetter1upsetter1 Posts: 205
    I find outside mirror on all Tauruses, older and new generation, not much functional and sometimes it causes problems. But you get used and get some feeling whats going on somehow mysteriously.

    On my old Toyota from 80s mirrors were much better. BTW on the new Malibu mirrors are even worse, basically they are useless. Or may be you have to get used over the time.
  • are not that expensive, especially if you go aftermarket. For a little under $150, I bought Raybestos rotors, pads, and 2 quarts of brake fluid. It took me about 3 hours from start to finish to do the brakes on my '99 SE (flushing the brake lines takes a little time even with a MityVac).
  • BTW I could suggest everyone to change brake fluid every two years. With ABS it may be tricky, but still worth to do. Dealer asks about $190 though. You can do it youself but need another person to operate brake pedal.
  • ohio7ohio7 Posts: 67
    I'm just sitting here at work reading the conversations about outside mirrors. Just what exactly is the problem with them. Mine do exactly what I expect them to do - show me who's behind and to each side of me. Mine are both easily adjusted be the switch on the door which is a far sight better than either Mustang I had. If they were as big as an SUV they would look out of sync with the size of the car and, as a designer, THAT would bother me.

    So, what is the "problem" that you guys are having?
  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352

    I agree!
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    I don't have problems with mirror size.

    Most people don't adjust their driver's side outside mirror properly anyway. To cover your blind spot, you should have it set so you cannot see down the side of your car. Set it so just as a passing car leaves your inside rear view mirror field of view, it shows up in your driver's side mirror. Then as it leaves your driver's side mirror, you begin to pick it up in your peripheral vision. This eliminates your blind spot. It takes a little getting used to, but is a much better use of your mirror.

    The right side mirror this is not necessary as the wide angle mirror covers more of the road, of course at the same time distorting the distance the car in the mirror is from your car.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Drive a Toyota Camry and then a Taurus and you'll understand everything!

    Taurus has the smallest outside mirrors among family sedans. We're not talking SUV size, but just a little bigger. Most people do not use the mirrors too much anyway, but in some conditions, especially while backing up, larger outside mirrors are not only useful - but it's safer, too!

    Again, I've driven already the Impala, Camry, and others. There is a big different. Once you get used to a bigger size, it's hard to get re-used to a smaller size.

    And that's not just with the Taurus. Ford Focus has much smaller mirrors than Corolla or Civic, and the Windstar's much smaller than the NEW 2004 Sienna, GM minivans, Honda Odyssey & Mazda MPV - and it also has the biggest blind spot from all - except for Chrysler/Dodge minivans which are even worse.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Well, if they are too small for you, then I guess you should cross Taurus off your list, as I don't think they will be changed soon, if ever.
  • I have previously owned a Chrysler product (poor choice) currently have a GP and a Taurus, the mirror size on these vehicles is of no concern to me.
    First service dept. experience with the Taurus yesterday. 5000km first service and they repaired a scratch on the trunk cover (my fault) work was top class, done when promised, and no charge for the scratch repair. The Ford service dept. equals that of the GM dealer I use and is much better than the disaster I encountered when I had the Chrysler product.
  • ohio7ohio7 Posts: 67
    I beg to differ with you about no one using the side mirrors - I use them constantly! In fact I'm so used to using the right one that when I drive my antique car I go nuts looking over there and seeing nothing. Since it's a convertible (and the top is always down) it's just as easy to turn my head to make sure some bozo isn't gasing up when I put my signal on to move right.

    If one follows the procedures that bagerfan laid out you will have no trouble using any mirror. Exactly how much of a vehicle do you need to see to realize that something is next to you?! If I catch ANY car part in my mirrors it's a pretty good sign that it's not safe for me to move over. I really don't need to know what make or model a vehicle is.

    There is a proper procedure for setting the right mirror that bagerfan left out. It has a little discomfort involved in the procedure. I've read that one should sit in the middle area and move the mirror so that you see a little of the side of the car. When you move back into the driver's seat, you won't see the car but your blind spot will be covered. This saved me just a few weeks ago - I was on I-95 and zooming along and wanted to move to the right to get around a left lane hogger doing 50. I did a partial glance to the right and didn't see anything. In that split second of me starting to move over I caught sight of something red. WOW, I almost plowed into a new red Corvette!! He was zooming very fast and was not there when I first looked. Glad I caught him in my itty bitty side mirror!
  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    Are we all so un-flexable that we can not get use to driving a car with different sized mirrors??? Come on.

    My wife had a Toyota Van, then a 87 Ford custom E-150, then a 97 Custom Hi-Top E-150. All three of them had huge mirrors. Now she's got a 2001 Taurus SEL. Yea sure, the mirrors are smaller, but so is the vehicle! Our other family cars are a 2000 Mustang convertible, a 2001 Focus SE sedan, and an 85 Mercury Marquis 4 door sedan and they've all got different sized mirrors. You switch off cars you re-adjust yourself to lots of things...the way you sit in the car, the way the wheel feels, the different "blind spots" you need to remember, and the different shape, size and placement of mirrors!

    Isn't this really getting a bit picky??? I mean what do we have here...mirror envy??? As bagerfan said, if the mirrors are too small for you, don't buy a Taurus.

    See ya
  • ohio7ohio7 Posts: 67
    You said it well!!
  • I personally think there's no point to debating about how much to pay for a car and why pay more for the same features etc. Personally, we went from Fords (several) to our first Toyota Camry from the bad experiences. Perhaps that will change over the next few years as Detroit fights back, BUT IT WILL TAKE A FEW YEARS for the public to learn. So we didn't mind paying an extra $7K. Further if it doesn't make sense to pay more for an import then sooner or later you should see it in the sales numbers. If you don't then the argument is lost.

    Anyway I didn't mean to get off on this topic , but I just wanted to reiterate that the resale value of a car is part of your net worth whether it depreciates faster or not. Net worth is based on a liquidation whether it is moot or not.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Interesting to read your responses, guys!

    I don't have a sedan and don't plan to buy one, as I need a minivan for my family.

    I just asked why the Taurus doesn't try to copy the competitors. True, it's not VERY important, and we are flexible enough to get used to everything, even to go trough a blackout for almost 24 hours :-)

    It's just a personal taste that I like large outside mirrors, not only to realize that 'something' is behind me; but to have a great view from the rear.

    When the new Sienna from Toyota appeared, many people were very excited about the large mirrors. And so was the new Nissan Quest. One of the complaints I read somewhere about the Chrysler Town & Country was: small outside mirrors! actually, smallest in class.
  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    "When the new Sienna from Toyota appeared, many people were very excited about the large mirrors."

    I guess I am just getting too old. I am still around from the days when we got excited about horsepower, or colors, or big wheels, or the look the girls on the corner would give when your car drove by. Now they get excited by large mirrors, huh?

    Damn...look at the fool I was when I got excited when I took delivery of my Red Mustang Convertible! What an [non-permissible content removed] I am.

    Sorry for showing my I know why all these 20 year olds are driving SUVs and I'm driving a Mustang!
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