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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008

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  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    honestly, if a car is beyond 3 years (any make) you can expect little things like that to start to nickel and dime ya.
  • upsetter1upsetter1 Posts: 205
    $275 is not much at all. I wouldn't care. A paid $350 for just starter replacement on '94 Taurus. On Audi you would spend couple of grands.
  • wep68wep68 Posts: 18
    Have to disagee with the 3 year cars will nickle and dime comment. My 94 Camry went to 100K without any repairs, except a tail light. At 126K miles the valves are worn, but no replacement of any parts, save the battery (which lasted 10years). Seriously, I am still on orig brakes (no new pads),steering pump,radiator, many hoses orig. Timing belt was done as maintenance at 90K. The interior and exterior still look great. The 94 Camry "Champagne" paint is the same as used on Lexus that year, and it looks far better than teh paint on my wifes 98 Corolla. It really is amazingly well bolted together. I hope my 02 Taurus does half as well.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    It isn't the issue of $275 at all. I know that with time parts need replacement. But my mileage is just too low to have these troubles.

    upsetter1: Your car is now 10 years old and by now it paid for it itself. When did you replace the starter?

    wep68: That's what I called dependable and well made.

    I'll obviously fix my car soon. I'm just waiting for the weather to warm up a bit here in New York and get into the scorching 40's.

    Enough whining. Thanks very much guys for the good advice you gave me. Still like my car and believe it's a good value.
  • upsetter1upsetter1 Posts: 205
    I replaced starter in 2001, it had 150K miles. I also repared starter on my older Toyota. It cost me nothing because I fixed it myself. With Ford it stopped to work at work so I didn't have option other than ask shop to tow my car. Actually on Ford it would be much easier to remove starter than in Toyota where it was buried behind the engine. Starter may have some worn part that cost couple of bucks, but when you go to shop they just replace the whole thing. So it is better to do it yourself. Power steering it much harder task to remove and repair. But 300 bucks is very low price IMHO.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    Exactly, it's not a fortune. But keep in mind that this repair isn't going to be done at the dealer. My car has not visited the dealer's shop for a while now right after the warranty ended. I'm sure that I'd come out with a higher bill there than what my mechanic quoted me.

    Replacing a worn part on a car that has 150K is not as painful as having to fix a spring chicken with 29K. I wonder what else will go wrong.

    I do believe, however, that repairs on domestic cars are cheaper than on foreign makes, especially European. Repairing an out of warranty Toyota has to be costlier than an American car. This is exactly part of the hidden value of a Taurus/Sable or other American over a Honda/Toyota. By the way and speaking of Hondas, my mechanic, who works on hondas (and other makes) told me to stay away from them Hondas.
  • In the German market Japanese spare parts are more expensive than for German cars. I would say way more expensive. Of course you don't have to repair Japanese as often as German, but still. I mean even filters are more expensive.

    Yeah a trusted mechanic is much better than a dealer. Dealers sometimes do a very sloppy job, especially if they are VW or Audi dealers. Actually I have no trust in VW, Audi dealers at all. It is very frustrating taking into account how much more they ask.
  • jrc346jrc346 Posts: 337
    I have just been reading over the past 20 posts and I noticed your power steering pump problem. Could you explain what is it doing that they are saying it is bad?
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    My 2000 Mercury Sable station wagon with 25000 miles has developed a sort of humming sound whenever I turn the steering wheel right or left. I've had this for several months now, and the sound is louder in cold weather than in hot.

    The shop initially checked rack and pinion components and greased some parts which quiet the noise but didn't make it go away. Within a few days the humming sound returned, and now is very loud to the point of embarrassment.

    Took the car back to the shop and was told that there is power steering pump failure and needs replacement.

    I need to say that initially I thought that the noise was being transmitted through the steering wheel perhaps because it came up every time I turned it (left or right). However, I don't feel a vibration in my hands but a loud sound coming from the engine bay. I believe that my original impression and observation were wrong, and it could change the diagnosis regarding power steering failure. I also checked the serpentine belt and it seems intact. There is no loss of steering whatsoever.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    Although I couldn't generalize about dealers' service departments, I can say that I've had very bad experiences taking my cars to them. I'm specifically talking about Toyota, Mazda, Ford and Lincoln-Mercury. I'm very well aware of their high overhead, special training of their technicians and that for the most part they know the cars they service much better than private shops.

    I've used a private shop for the last 12 years for service and repairs. I've been allowed to watch my car being serviced and fixed. My mechanic, who's also the owner, listens to me, answers all my questions and doesn't show impatience. I do ask a lot of questions but in a thoughtful and courteous manner.

    As far as German cars, they're for the most part made well but when anything goes wrong it'll cost you not only in labor but parts. Japanese too. Now that Toyota became the 2nd car maker in the world its dealers may try to exploit it by jacking up fees. Only my assessment. But I tell you that those 7 + years that I had the Camry I know I saved $$$$$$$ in scheduled maintenance by not using Toyota dealers' service depts.

    I know there are very good dealers around the nation. I just haven't found them.
  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    Sad part is that the private repair shop is becoming an endangered species. In our area (Long Island) there are less and less gas stations (property worth too much and the oil companies think they are in the real estate business) and at a lot of the gas stations left the service bays are being turned into convenience stores. Much more money in Coke and Beer I guess!

    Having a relationship with a local mechanic may one day real soon become a distant memory of the past replaced by trips to Pep Boys or Firestone Stores or the like. The corner Gas Station will have gone the way of neighborhood hardware stores!
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    my 99 SHO has 62k and i just put new tires on it (originals went to 60k). My brakes are due (I waited way too long). I had the ICP replaced under warranty. Aisde from normal maintenance let me tell you what I have spent for repairs......
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    ummmm, NOTHING. So so far its good. I am going to get my v8 engine fix done soon to prevent that debacle. Gotta get an alignment and possible some front end work.

    My BIL has close to or over 159k on his 97 SHO. No issues aside from wear/tear high miles stuff.

    My friend had a 96 and 97 Taurus with a combined 170k miles. Only a tranny failure ont he 96 fixed under warranty. Otherwise, nada. Now he has a 2003 and I haven't heard of any issues.

    The Taurus is a good car. When I mean nickel and diming, I mean small stuff.......not anything catastrophic but still stuff that can cost 2-300 at a time. Hoses, belts, etc. The occasional starter or pump.
  • jtrikjtrik Posts: 11
    I've been reading this board for a while now but this is the first time i have responded. My experience in regards to repairs has been that it depends on the individual and their driving habits. In my time i have owned a '79 Ford LTD 110,000 miles(my first car), an 82 Plymouth Turismo 2.2 98,000 miles, 88 Chrysler Lebaron Convertible 200,000+ miles(still have it), 90 Ford Escort GT (wife still own it) 150,000...94 BMW 325i 40,000 miles, BMW 528i 33,000 (just sold this one), Now have a 04 Taurus SE last 2 months.

    Alot of these cars were supposedly very bad reliability cars as stated by Consumer Reports. I have never had any major problems with any of them. Except for normal wear and tear. I am fanatical about doing the preventative maintainence on my vehicles. I have lately been using a log book to record all maintainence performed by me. Started with the 90 Escort GT. The Lebaron and the Escort are riding on the original clutch so when people tell me that the foreign cars are more reliable than the domestics I just don't think thats the case. I really believe each individual drives and takes care of certain cars in their way and the car will act accordingly. Oops, i forgot to mention my 90 Isuzu Amigo which i still use for work...90,000 miles on that guy. :-) Now the Amigo i needed to replace the clutch because i use it to tow stuff for my work...but now drives very nicely...
  • But given the average Joe's way of treating cars, some of the "foreign" makes hold up considerably better -- causing reviewers to talk about Toyotas and Hondas as "refrigerator cars" (you hardly ever do anything to them and they seem to last forever). Of course, I think that the "domestics" are getting better generally. But I am certainly glad that the reputation for poor reliability will work to my advantage as I shop for a much-depreciated, used Taurus! ;-)
  • I've been curious about the Duratech. I only test-drove one once, and for a very short, very supervised test-drive. I know it has quite a bit more horsepower, but not much more torque. So, which has the most noticeable differences? Acceleration, highway driving, noise level, etc.? And, do you notice a big gas mileage difference? I think the ratings are just 1 mpg difference.
  • That's cool that you have the SEL. I've seen the wood trim, which you mentioned you didn't have....and I don't think you're missing much. It's nice and all, but in IMHO the SEL looks sportier without it. The SEL is certainly one of my many dream cars, though I also think my SES is fairly luxurious. With Fords, at least Taurii specifically, it seems that you get more options--even on say the base-level LX-- for less total price than you do on Chevys.
  • I was wondering how the SHO is manufactured differently than the Ford SVT vehicles. I know that SVT is a division of Ford, but was the SHO made by SVT? And if not, why not? Is it technically the SHO/SVT?

    I think a manual transmission Taurus must be pretty darn cool to drive-- a lot of get-up and go. What's your horsepower/torque? And is '99 the last year SHO was made?
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