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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008



  • g1994stsg1994sts Posts: 26
    I'm a little disappointed ford's excellent v6 is too sensitive to engine knock on recommended 87 octane. The manual clearly says not to use premium, because It may actually degrade performance and one may experience Irregularities. It says right on the manual, can you believe this?

    On level ground It may not happen at all, but some times It does a little. (any brand name gas). Where it happens a lot is uphill, especially on a long upgrade of about 9 degrees. Again depending on the gas, exxon, mobil, shell, etc. sometimes it could knock really bad. I have observed all late model taurus behave this way, usually passing by when driving along. I'm really annoyed and upset with this. because I think Ford doesn't have the technology to make an engine that is 100% knock resistant on 87 octane.

    For example my other car a 1994 seville STS, the recommended octane is premium only, 91 octane or better. Well lately with increasing gas prices I have been mixing premium with regular, at one point I had about 2/3 regular & 1/3 premium, and it runs just the same as on premium only, with no noticeable degrade in performance or knocking.

    Other than that the power is tremendous, very comfortable, the ergernomics are just right, I can power slide the seat on the track to be distant from the steering wheel. I can't do that with the cadillac. The seat stops too short, forcing me drive with the steering wheel geezer style.

    I have been using the middle grade and kocking is almost non existant and especially on premium, this car feels like a v8 beast.

    Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
  • I think that you will need to get a different "insides" for your console. The inside of my console on my 2000 SEL has a special section where the ST-6 changer fits just right and it has a separate section for storage right next to it (vs. what I am guessing you have which is just one big open area). This separate section holds an extra 6 disc cartridge just fine with a little bit of room left over. Have fun running the cable from the changer back to the trunk though. I hope they sold you one long enough!

    By the way, extra 6 disc cartridges for the ST-6 are about $75 at Ford. I got a bunch at Best Buy for $12.50 each. The one that fits is an AIWA model # MCD-MG55. It's a duplicate of the factory unit except it says AIWA instead of Ford!

    Good luck.
  • chzbrgchzbrg Posts: 10
    Thanks for your help!!!! Really appreciate it!
  • I have a clean, loaded 94 Taurus wagon with the 3.8L engine and 95,000 miles on it. It just blew a head gasket. We followed the maintenance guidelines and have the records. We are the original owners. Does anyone have advice on getting Ford to cover the repair?
  • dijidsdijids Posts: 2
    The timing looks right for a new Taurus and I'm eligible for x-plan pricing which is 4% over Ford Employees a-plan price. Don't know if I'm better off trying to negotiate or just asking for the x-plan price since I can't find any lists of what the price will actually be. Anyone experienced using x-plan pricing or know where I can get detailed lists of a-plan pricing?
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    The warranty expired long ago. They are not going to cover it. In fact even if you had got an 100,000 exteneded warranty, you would have just made it assuming they would cover worn out gaskets. But then the head gasket probably would not have blown util 101,000 miles if you had bought the warranty.
    Maybe if had blown 1 day after the factory warranty expired, Ford might have "thought about" covering it as a goodwill gesture.
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    Ford Partner Program......(need some help)
    in the Smart Shopper section of Town Hall might help you out...
  • does anyone know if for a 2000 se 24v, what the brake lamp switch recall 01s08 is about? My ABS dash lite sometimes stays on after startup, seems more likely in the afternoon after work sitting in the sun. Any relationship? The braking seems to work fine, always has been a bit soft for my taste. Thanks for any input on this.
  • Here is exact language from the recall:

    Grease used on the adjustable pedal assembly may enter the brake lamp switch and contaminate the contacts. This may cause one or more of the following symptoms to occur:
    - brake lights stay illuminated or are inoperative
    - shift interlock disabled (will be able to shift out of "PARK" position without depressing the brakes)
    - speed control will not activate
    - cannot shift the vehicle out of "PARK"
    - ABS warning light illuminates (on vehicles with ABS)
    - battery discharged
  • rdeschenerdeschene Posts: 318
    See the following link for a summary of Ford's "secret warranty" (Service Campaign 00M09). Apparently this covers up to 7years/100,000 miles, so you better get things documented and cracking before the time runs out.

  • Thanks to all who helped. I also found info on the 7 yr/100,000 mile coverage on the site. The dealer who originally sold us the car (and who continues to do business with the extended family) has been very responsive. Maybe Ford is finally trying to change its reputation.
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    I hope you guys have better luck than me. Last week the door ajar symbol on the dash came on, and stayed on all day. Took the dome light bulb out ( fried my finger ) and it went off the next day and hasn't come back since. Two days after that, the service engine soon light comes on. I did all the recommended things in the manual(added some dry gas, filled the tank, made sure the gas cap was on tight)and it stayed on for the day, never to return after the next days start up.

    Now, I just jumped in the car to grab the paper and coffee,put it in reverse and it just about made it out of the driveway. At Dunkin Donuts there are two Tauruses in the parking lot. A 97 purchased used and a 99 purchased new. Both owners state no problems of any sort like the ones I've had. I guess I'm just lucky.
  • Thanks Minnesota Art for the detailed info on the grease on the adjustable pedals problem.

    So, shank6 fixed his service light I/ gas fill, but I have a nearly full tank and checking the gas cap, it doesn't seem to fit so tight as to prevent air from passing by the threads when turned fully in, so what else could be causing emission light on at 9000 miles? Perhaps it is related to the greasy ad. pedal problem also?

    Will be taking the car in Monday, I hope if the dealer is not too busy, and see what happens, besides wasting my time. I have been enjoying the car, but gas mileage goes under 20 when averaging 70 plus a few quick accelerations instead of gingerly doing 65. I get 25mpg if taking it real easy or with the wind at my back.
  • vince4vince4 Posts: 1,272
    I just installed a CD changer in my 2000 SE. I bought the parts from

    Kenwood KDC-C717 10 disc changer $200
    PIE FRDR/PC-KNW protocol adapter $80

    It all worked great and was very easy to install. The adapter comes with all the connectors/cables needed and just plugged into the Rear Control Unit in the trunk. They don't tell you, but I had to remove the factory cable from the right-most connector of the RCU. The factory head unit controls the changer perfectly.

    I mounted the changer vertically, on the left side of the trunk. I didn't want it below the rear deck because it blocks access for large objects and is potentially in harms way.
  • TSchrammTSchramm Posts: 106
    I own a '99 BMW 528 and a '01 Honda Odyssey, but received a '01 Taurus SES as a company car about 4 months ago.

    I have been pleasantly surprised at how well the Taurus drives and handles, and especially by the excellent gas mileage, averaging 20 mpg.

    It has the base V6, which is adequate, if a little noisy, I can only imagine that the upgraded V6 would be very satisfactory.

    Considering the size, handling and price, I would definitely consider a Taurus should I need to purchase another family sedan. Even my neighbor, who's on his third Accord, remarked that he was more comfortable sitting in the Taurus, and was even more impressed by the relativiley low price compared to his V6 Accord..

    While depreciation and long-term quality are legitimate issues, the low cost of entry and great driveability of the Taurus makes it a worthy competitior, IMO.
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    We purchased a 2000 Mercury Sable LS Premium, and I can't say enough good about our choice. As stated in my previous posts, the car is fully equipped and the ride quality is so much better. I know they're built on the same platform, but the Merc is a better handling, quieter riding,and better looking car in my opinion. If I can get the right deal in September I'll probably go that route.
    I believe in Ford. Maybe we got the Taurus Alfred E. Neumann built.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    The Taurus drives quite nicely. The resale value is the biggest problem.
    It will be dificult to sell at a decent price when the classifieds are full of dozens of 1 and 2 year old fleet cars and prior-rentals at very low prices.
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    have the Vulcan. Those equipped with a Duratec oughta hold their value pretty well. Shouldn't they?

    (does anyone say oughta anymore?)
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    The Duratec and extra options will add to the value. You will be able to sell for more than a fleet car, but not that much more. The resale value will be horrific no mater what.
  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    Remember the old days when people bought cars and took care of them and drove them for years and years???

    No wonder everyone is in debt all the time.... we keep our cars a long time (6-8 years) and so we buy what we want and take care of it and it takes care of us.

    Who cares about resale value!
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