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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008

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  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    According to Kelly Blue Book you Taurus LX will with the following equipment will cost you:


    1999 Ford Taurus LX Sedan 4D

    Engine: V6 3.0 Liter 24V
    Trans: Automatic
    Drive: Front Wheel Drive
    Mileage: 16,000

    Equipment
    Air Conditioning
    Power Steering
    Power Windows
    Power Door Locks
    Tilt Wheel
    Cruise Control
    AM/FM Stereo
    Cassette
    Dual Front Air Bags
    ABS (4-Wheel)
    Leather
    Dual Power Seats
    Alloy Wheels

    Retail Value $12,375
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    The appeal is a combination of a very good car at reasonable cost. For example, I bought my 2000 Taurus SES with the 200 HP 24 Valve DOHC new at the end of the model year in September, 2000 when they had a combined $1000 rebate and 0.9 percent 36 month financing. I paid $18,000 plus sales tax and finance the whole thing, since I was and still am earning more than 0.9 percent in a money market account. This car came standard with power windows, locks, power remote, cruise, ABS, power trunk release, power driver seat, 16" aluminum wheels, etc. Well equipped for a reasonable price.

    At 15,000 miles the car has absolutely no rattles, provides good combination of reasonably smooth ride and tight handling, good ergonomics, etc.

    Previous to this, I had a 1990 Taurus that still had everything working with no rattles, etc when I sold it at 98,000 miles, and I had very little non routine maintenance required during those 10 years.

    The 98 loaner you drove likely had been beat up. Also the 2000's and up are much smoother and quieter.

    I am not knocking the Toyotas and Hondas, I am just saying that the Taurus has a very good combination of price and features giving it good value for a full size sedan.

    Check the Edmunds 2000 sedan comparisons. Taurus came in third out of ten and had by far the lowest price of the top three.

    By the way, just what is a JGC, anyway?
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    kelley blue book values these days are not that indicative of real pricing in the current market right now. Post 9/11 when the automakers flooded the market with incentives...the used pricing went to hell because everyone traded in and flooded the market with used cars. Consequently, pricing went down.

    The best way to check your cars wholesale value is to have someone who has access to the car auctions let you know what they are currently going for. This is the most accurate barometer.
  • billwfriendbillwfriend Posts: 44
    JGC = Jeep Grand Cherokee and a 2000 at that. Sounds like you got a good deal at 18K, good for you. I see Ford did revamp the interior as well for 2000, it certainly needed it. Edmunds TMV for trade-ins is pretty close to wholesale/auction trade-in values. Kelly Blue Book has been out of date for years! KBB prices are way too high!
  • g1994stsg1994sts Posts: 26
    The tranny on my 99 Taurus performs erratically. Sometimes if I hit the gas a little too quickly at low speeds or from a standing start, the engine will race freely and then the second gear engages and the tires peel out. Just like dumping the clutch with a manual. Is this a quality/reliability issue affecting Fords lately? Has anyone experienced this problem.
  • automan227automan227 Posts: 118
    Here is the following that I negotiated on a lease on a Ford Taurus SES. Here are the options:

    Leather
    Power Pedals
    Aluminum Wheels
    Automatic Transmission
    CD Player
    Plus all the standard features

    Here is the deal I got:

    $1500 Due at Signing (picks up remaining 2 payments of about $800 on current lease)
    $259 per month
    36 months
    12,000 Miles per year
    Ford Motor Credit

    The capitalized cost of the car is $21,320.

    Is this any good?

    Thanks.
    AS
  • quickfordsquickfords Posts: 18
    Is anyone experiencing a hard to shut right rear door? The RR door on my mother-in-laws '01 Sable needs to be slammed to get it to shut tight. It was not shut one day, flew open and struck a mail box. The dealer mechanic said they do have another '02 that needs adjusting too. Are there others who have a hard to shut RR door?? Is this a wide spread problem or just a freak episode??
    Thanks for the help.
  • ohio7ohio7 Posts: 67
    I am still laughing at finding out that JGC means Jeep Grand Cherokee. Whoa, you'd have to look far and wide to find a more ugly, bumpy, small rear access, hard-seated, no leg room in rear, truck like dash, and did I say butt-ugly vehicle.

    I "slug" to and from DC (that's Washington, Dictrict of Columbia) daily and have the opportunity to "test ride" many vehicles. When I see a Jeep approaching I know that I'm in for 30 miles of intestinal upset. I can't even read the paper for all of the bouncing and jousling.

    I think your taste is only in your mouth. I'll take ANY year Taurus over ANY Jeep product. No wonder the Army ditched it.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    I have not had it happen, however, dealer should fix it and the sheet metal damage under warranty.

    My '00 Taurus has a "door ajar" idiot light that goes on when any door is not fully closed. I assume her Sable has the same, but I don't know if it is standard on all models. Make sure that is working and if she has it, then I would (diplomatically, of course since she is your mother-in-law) tell her make sure she checks her dash for any warning lights before driving off.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    I have had a sticking left rear door on my 99 SHO....brought it in to get it fixed and still no difference....I guess I am stuck with it.
  • TMURFTMURF Posts: 10
    How in the world can you put down the Taurus after owning and comparing it to a JGC? I agree with OHIO7. The JGC is a piece of crap. I ought to know - I OWNED one. It nickled and dimed me to death. Worst vehicle I've ever owned
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    I guess JGC didn't respond to you guys. Oh well.

    Thought I would just list a few little things I would like Ford to do to improve Taurus. All very minor.

    1. Front door mounted arm rests are too hard. Makes my elbow hurt after a while. My '90 had more comfortable arm rests.

    2. Tight trunk seals make it a hard slam to close the trunk, and it hesitates popping open with the remote trunk release if it hasn't been opened for a while-the seals hold it closed.

    3. Ford could copy Buick Century/Regal on their gas assisted rear trunk hinges, which do not intrude into trunk space.

    4. Rear center brake light bulge is a bit large- it is a bit irritating in the rear view mirror.

    5. Extend your engine/drive train warranty. I think this one thing would help you beat back Camry and Accord in the sales race.

    Note all these items, are quite minor. I am still very pleased with my '00 SES w/ 24 dohc V6.

    FOMOCO, are you monitoring this? Fix these as a running change and lets put Camry and Accord back into second and third place. Of course, they already are if we lumped Taurus and Sable together.
  • mralanmralan Posts: 174
    Anyone rack up some serious miles on a post 2k Taurus? How is it holding up? Any squeaks and rattles?
  • automan227automan227 Posts: 118
    I renegotiated that price on a Taurus SES. The options are Leather, CD, Power Pedals, Sunroof, Automatic Transmission and Bucket Seats.

    The lease I negotiated is as follows....

    $1000 due at signing (Including picking up remaining payments on current lease- comes out to about $800)
    $259 per month
    36 months
    12,000 Miles per year

    Someone please tell me if this is any good....

    AS
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    Sounds like a good deal to me.
  • atcersatcers Posts: 26
    Are you sure you want to lease? We all have our reasons for doing what we do BUT after 36 months you will have nothing to show for it! If it is a business write off then it sounds pretty darn good. If it's not a write off then I would personally wait till August or September when the end of year incentives roll out. I purchased a 01 Sable in Oct. of last year with all the same options as you listed including auto climate control for $20835 including taxes and dealer fees. Ford had the 0% for 60 months which applied. I don't know if we will ever see 0% for 60 months again but you may want to wait and see. Just playing devils advocate!

    Scott
  • ehennessehenness Posts: 92
    Badgerfan says:
    4. Rear center brake light bulge is a bit large- it is a bit irritating in the rear view mirror.

    That was apparently a concern of Ford's too. I've noticed some Tauruses lately with a thin LED third brake light and a much smaller bulge. I presume these are 2002 cars, since it's not all of the newer style of Taurus. Forgot to check a dealer's stock when I was nearby.
  • automan227automan227 Posts: 118
    I want to lease it strictly for the reason that I don't like keeping a car once its out of warranty because there is to much that could go wrong and cost a lot of money. Besides that, I can't wait until september because my lease is up at the end of june.

    In any case, the deal changed for a final time and here it is and tell me what you think....

    2002 Ford Taurus SES
    Leather
    Power Pedals
    15 inch Aluminum wheels (not the painted ones)
    Rear Spoiler
    CD
    Plus all the other standard features....

    $1000 Due at signing (includes picking remaining payments due on current lease which total about $800)
    $250 per month (including tax)
    36 months
    12,000 miles per year

    The MSRP of the car is $21,320 and the sale price is $19,320. The captilized cost is $16,320 due to a $3000 lease incentive. That is exactly where we want to be right now for a lease.

    I spoke to 4 or 5 other dealers in my area, and they are all telling me the best that they can do is between $280-$300 per month including tax with a total due at signing of $1500.

    What do you think?

    AS
  • rdsumrdsum Posts: 12
    I just got back from the long weekend. (Victoria Day in Canada) We flew out to Vancouver, B.C. and we rented a Taurus. It was actually the fifth Taurus to be rented over the last couple of years. I have noticed that the Taurus transmission is not the smoothest around. It seems jerky when taking off from a stop. The car almost jumps ahead even though the gas pedal is not pushed down very hard. My wife even complained about the way I was driving. I also noticed that when coming to a stop, one could feel the transmission downshifting. It almost seemed that the clunk was built in. I have noticed this on each Taurus that we rented. Most of the cars had less than 5,000 km on them. Some were even brand new. My wife has a Toyota Camry that she would never trade for the Taurus. I tried telling her that the Taurus is good value. She does not believe me. My own car is a GM van. The drive train is very good. I know that Ford has cut some corners in the last while trying to get back into the black for profits. However, I think they need a little more development work on the smoothness of their transmission. By the way, does the engine computer cut out a few cylinders when the shift is made from 1st to 2nd? (Engineers sometimes cause this in order to make a smoother shift.)

    I can expect some responses that say to rent a different car. However, when one asks for a full size car, guess what you usually get from Hertz!
  • g1994stsg1994sts Posts: 26
    Today's Taurus just have that jerky Manual transmission feeling, hard 2nd gear shift at slow speeds in parking lots, car takes forever to slow down when you take your foot off the gas pedal, brakes wear out about every 25k miles because of constant braking; these cars seem to be on cruise control. All documented on NHTSA, there are thousands of complaints of unsatisfied customers regarding these issues. Ford says there is no fix for it, that's just the way it is and normal with these cars. ACCORD, CAMRY, ALTIMA, these types of Japanese cars are selling at the rate of about 30 thousand a month, if Ford doesn't get their act together and the rest of the Domestic car companies, my next sedan will be foreign made.
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