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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008

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  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    While my wife has a 2001 Taurus SEL, my car is a 2000 Mustang convertible. One of the big reasons I bought this car is loving a 1999 Mustang rental from Hertz in Las Vegas. Well, we've been to Vegas 3 times since then and have rented a car from Hertz at the airport every time. The first two years we had a Pontiac Grand Am and this last year a Nissan Maxima. Funny...the company is owned by Ford but seems like they're doing all they can to spread the "rental car" image to other brands too!
  • If I was Billy Ford, I'd order Hertz Co. to fill the lots with the competition's cars and then make them have bigger "Hertz" stickers on them.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Why is Honda misrepresenting the MSRP on Taurus? When you use Honda's Web site feature to compare a 2003 Ford Taurus SES Deluxe with 2003 Honda LX V-6 Sedan, they list MSRP for the Taurus of $22,120 and $650 shipping charges which is ok so far, but they end up with the total MSRP of $23,520 rather than $22120+650=$22770. Where did this extra $750 come from? My guess, they lied!

    When you list the 2003 Honda Accord LX V-6 Sedan, the MSRP for that car with shipping is listed at $23,460, conveniently for them slightly less than the faulty MSRP they list for Taurus.

    They also conveniently didn't list that the Taurus has alloy wheels standard. Yes, this particular Honda model has a few features the equivalent Taurus doesn't, like rear disc brakes and a 5 speed automatic. But, I think misrepresenting the Taurus MSRP is inexcusable.

    Of course, real world purchase price would make Taurus much more attractive, but Honda shouldn't start out with an erroneous MSRP.
  • That may be called what is known as "deceptive advertisement" by Honda perhaps.

    That's okay I'd still buy Ford ;)
    Let people deal with Honda's and Toyota's arrogance and supercilious attitudes.

    I'll keep my Merc or buy another one or a Ford.
  • We own a 1999 SE, 12V. We bought it because it was cheap. We purchased it in 2000 with 25K miles for $11,000. We have had it for slightly more than 2 yrs/20K miles and nothing major has happened, except for :
    1. there seems to be some electrical problem somewhere. Sometimes when I turn the steering wheel, my wipers go on and then off on their on. This also happens sometimes when we use the turn signal.

    2. Engine rattling/pinging under acceleration. This is really not a big deal for us but our other automobile (which I will not mention because I do not want to offend anyone) is just so smooth under acceleration, you can't help but notice it. I can live with it on an $11,000 car though. I wonder how the

    This is my wife's car so I do not know when it actually started. I have driven it for the past 3 weeks and it happened twice. My guess is it's the multifunction switch. I'll try that before going to the dealer, I know they'll want "an arm and a leg", just for the switch.

    Here is one thing I discovered last weekend: PLEASE SERVICE YOU TRANSNISSION!! if you don't want problems. I have 45K on mine (I know, 15K overdue), and decided to change my own ATF just to see if this is one of those rip-offs by the dealer/Ford. Here' what I found out:
    1. Fluid very dirty.
    2. So many metal pieces on the the magnet.
    3. Oil pan bottom dirty.
    4. Filter, I don't know, I didn't look, it had to be dirty as well.

    Here's how much it cost me, I was doing it for the first time:
    1. Time 2hrs
    2. Haynes manual $15.00 (Autozone)
    3. Oil $16.50 (8 qts Ford ATF, got scared to add synthetic after seeing all the little metal pieces)
    4. Filter ($20 NAPA - Ford wanted $37).

    ** Ford, a drain plug to allow us to empty the pan before removing it would make the job a lot cleaner.
  • mralanmralan Posts: 174
    Had mine done at about 31k miles at the dealer. Cost something like $70 or $80 dollars.

    Next repair is a brake job. Pads and rotors turned. Anyone have this done lately? How much $$$?
  • The pinging could be that the ECM (engine computer) needs to be reset/reprogrammed.

    I negotiated a brake job at Merlin's for $220. Front pads and rotors. Sometimes you can haggle for repairs, too
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Posts: 1,118
    Only because IMO your tranny is not 15K overdue, but 30K overdue. I've owned mostly Chrysler and Ford vehicles over the years. Both are notorious for fussy transmissions. If maintained meticulously they work forever. Don't maintain = overhaul.

    After replacing one transmission I always service automatics every 15K by doing what you did. Draining and replacing the fluid and filter. Never had a serious problem since. I've talked my Dad into getting that service done at least annually on his 95 Taurus.

    Drive it for about 5000 miles and then see if you still see dark fluid, or smell a slight burnt smell. Just draining out the fluid takes about half of it away. A second time will remove 75% of the old fluid.

    My Son's Mazda with a Ford Transmission was sticking when it needed to shift between 1st and 2nd. A drain and fill, and adding Lubegard took care of the problem within a few days. However, when he took it in again for its annual service this summer the fluid still smelled burnt, so it was replaced again. With the second drain and fill it looks and smells just about as good as new. Certainly better than when he bought it.

    It's funny, given the cost of a replacement, how the transmission is so seriously neglected.

    PS. Check out www.lubegard.com It helps reduce acids and heat that harm transmissions. Helped stop further damage on at least 4 friends vehicles. They will send the manufacturers recommendations and TSBs if you want.
  • lmp180psulmp180psu Posts: 393
    My dad is looking at a 96 LX with Leather interior; according to a New Car Test Drive review, a CD changer wasn't even an option for 96 Tauruses, but in pictures of an LX interior from Edmunds, there is a button for "CD" and "tune 1-6 disc" on the faceplate.
    I was wondering if anyone has a 96 taurus with the cd changer or was it not available for 96. Or if not does anyone know of a way to retrofit a "normal" CD player in the pod ( I know there is an aftermarket accessory to do this for escorts with the pod). Thanks
  • sarowsarow Posts: 1
    Does anyone have an opinion on the Sable vs. the Taurus? I found good reviews of both of them on the New Car Test Drive website. http://www.nctd.com/review-intro.cfm?ReviewID=1226
  • I have a 96 Sable. There was an option for a console mounted CD changer. Foolishly, I didn't get one as the dealer wanted $600. I added an aftermarket, FM modulated CD changer in the trunk. It is adequate, but that's all. As it is now the wifes car (and she doesn't care), it is fine. Try www.radiosandmore.com or www.crutchfield.com for add-on CD changers. They should be able to set you up.

    sarow,

    The Sable and Taurus are virtually the same car. The Sable is decked out a little better, but mechanically they are the same. It basically comes down to styling. Which do you like better?
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Well, we have had two Caravans (1985 and current 1996) and Two Tauri(1990 and current 2000) and have had no transmission problems on any of them and did not baby them with frequent fluid & filter changes. We sold the 85 Caravan with 78,000 miles and only changed fluid and filter once at 60,000. Same with the 90 Taurus, which we sold at 98,000 miles and it had one fluid and filter change at 60,000 miles. The current 96 Caravan is at 60,000 miles now and running fine-it is due for it's first transmission change soon (manual says you could go to 100,000 but I don't wait quite that long). The 2000 Taurus has nearly 20,000 miles on it and running fine and I do not plan on any transmission fluid changes for quite a while. So am I just lucky or what? I certainly have not found that either Ford or Chrysler transmissions need babying.
  • I just bought a 1999 Taurus SE with the Mach stereo system. The front speakers seem to only have mid-range and bass (no treble). The rear deck speakers sound good. I'm assuming the little black speakers mounted on the doors next to the side mirrors are tweeters only. And yes, I have messed with the bass/ treble controls along the fader. Anyone else come across this problem? It's still under warranty but I'm hoping it's just a quick fix. Thanks.
  • mralanmralan Posts: 174
    Well I've been having my 01 SES for 8 months now. It has 34k miles and I have no complaints at all. I'm really a Toyota person, but I'm not getting rid of my bull until it gives me a good reason too. I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised!
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    You put on a lot of miles. At that rate over 50K a year. My 00 SES is now just over 2 years with 19K. No problems at all so far.

    Glad to see yours is doing fine. Is it a Duratec or Vulcan engine?

    Keep us posted as the miles add up.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    no problems aside from the fact that the sound basically sucks. I would love to replace my Mach system and speakers but there is no way to replace a MAch system. I haven't looked into just replacing the speakers.
  • Purchased new in '99... 60K miles .....no problems until 6/02.
    When cold, especially parked a day or two on uphill driveway....very difficult starting...all codes read OK at dealer...Can anyone offer some help in diagnosis????
  • What's the condition of the battery? On a '99, it's possible it could be on the way out. Maybe stop by a parts store like Auto Zone or Pep Boys, who will usually be able to do a check while you wait.

    One other thought--fuel quality problems and things like that don't come up with codes, but yet can still mean trouble. Did you just have a cold snap after filling up in the hot weather? I'm in New England, and late last spring we had a week of 70+ degree weather and then it dropped into the 40s for a week. I filled up on the last day of the hot spell, and then my '98 Taurus was harder to start. They blend gasoline based somewhat on the outside temps. Warmer weather gas is less volatile, because it burns easier at higher temps. The cold weather made my car with that gas grumpy--longer cranking times, a bit of a stumble when it first fired, and really bad gas mileage. Next tank the weather had stabilized, and all was well. No codes came up because there wasn't anything the computer thought was wrong.

    Could this be the problem?
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    On my old 90 Taurus, when you turned the key to start but before you actually turned it all the way to engage the starter, the electric fuel pump mounted at the gas tank would start to run (you could hear a low level whine). I noticed that if I paused briefly to let the fuel pump get up to speed, the starter did not have to crank as long, as the pressure was full up.

    It might be possible your battery is not getting the pump pressure up quickly, thus causing the delay in firing up. Maybe this phenomena is more pronounced if you park going uphill?

    You might also want to post in the Edmunds Taurus/Sable maintenance board also.

    I am just speculating on these ideas, anybody else have any experience?
  • ndfarndfar Posts: 19
    What is the best recommended way to chang oil?? Most shops offer a fluid exchange for $60-$80 but it doesn't change the filter. Then for about $60 I found one that chaged the filter but then the oil in the torque converter doesn't get changed. I also heard some that the fluid exchange puts pressure on all the seals and can cause them to leak. So what do I do?
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