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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008

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  • So Taurus lives on, from now as a Buick LaCrosse :)
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    If you want a sneak preview of the 2005 LaCrosse I have one in my garage-its a 2000 Taurus SES-and it has a DOHC engine no less. Just squint a little and you won't tell the difference especially when viewed from the side.
    At this moment, my Lacrosse, oops Taurus, comes complete with a two tone paint job, road salt white over green.
      
    Did you see that post in the LaCrosse discussion showing the photo toggling back between Taurus and LaCrosse? Pretty good one.
  • Well lets call it LaTaurusse :)
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    Hi guys. I have to throw my two cents in here. My 2000 Sable Premium LS just crossed the 70,000 mile mark. This car provides me with everthing a Camry does for thousands less. Leather, powerful V-6, and a great ride. I do regular maintenance and plan to keep this car for another 100,000 miles.

    The only thing that could prevent that is a 2005 Mustang SVT Cobra!!!!!!
    Wow, what a car. Now I just have to figure out how to get this buy the wife.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    It's cheap if the whining/humming sound doesn't return. It's strange no to hear it. The only thing I do hear so far after the fix is the Duratech under the hood.

    The LaCrosse does reminisce the Taurus but that name LaCrosse I couldn't live with. I find it even more distasteful than Sonata.

    I also want to comment that The Merc. Sable is more on par with the Toyota Avalon than Camry. Sable is somewhat more upscale than Taurus. The latter competes with Camry.

    I know what you guys are going to say, that you can dress a Taurus just like the best equipped Sable.
  • I don't agree. Avalon is more sophisticated and better executed than Sable. It is upscale car, almost like Lexus. But Five Hundred/Montego will take care of Avalon.

    Power steering is easy to repair, it is not as complicated and tricky as transmission, so don't worry. All my old cars had noisy power steerings in some degree. It is recomended to change steering fluid, I am going to do it at 30,000 miles. Some dirt may be collected over time (from internal operation) and it is very damaging for power steering. It is recommended to keep it clean. Actually it is easy do damage power steering when removing the dirty cap. Sand or other contaminants will certainly damage power steering in short time. It quite possible that it happened in your case, esp. if you bought your car used and don't know how it was maintained. In Duratec there is no need to remove cap to check level and it is very nice feature.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    Avalon always seemed better executed than Sable as well as sophisticated. Ford's new introductions 500 and Montego coincide with Toyota's new 2005 version of the Avalon. It's really going to be interesting to see what happens.

    But it seems to me that over the years Ford's has sold more Sables than Toyota's sales of Avalons. On the other hand, Ford's answer to the Av. was perhaps one of the Lincoln models and not the Sable. Although, Lincoln competes with Lexus. This is getting complicated.
  • That is because Avalon is too expensive and still is Toyota. Exterior design is horrible and it is too small for full size car. Grand Marquis actually was Avalon competitor.
  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    I wonder how well the Taurus and Sable would do if Ford spent some money marketing them, and brought them up to the level of the competition with things like disc brakes on ALL four wheels, and pneumatic lifts for the decklid so your luggage isn't crushed, and making the Duratec standard across the line with the flex-fuel Vulcan a fleet only item? Its seems I see about ten or twenty ads for the Accord alone for every one I see for a Taurus or Sable, no wonder they aren't selling like they were, the marketing people there convinced themselves they weren't worth effort.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    Today I took a drive with wife to Connecticut to visit friends. Ride was comfortable with speeds of 65 to 80 MPH all the way through. It's a miracle I didn't get pulled over. We failed to make a turn and got lost so it took us over 2 hours to arrive at destination. Our backs didn't hurt after seating for so long. I drove with the window open expecting to hear the "humming", which never came.

    My friend used to own a 94 Taurus for 8 years and got 180000 miles out of it without major breakdowns. Motor and tranny never failed. It required only wear and tear item replacements and regular maintenance. Finally he donated the car and leased an Accura. The
    guy wanted a sporty car.

    Moral of this story is: Taurus/Sable are reliable and dependable cars. FoMoCo didn't want to spend the money to aggressevely market these cars, and so it allowed the Japanese counterparts to gain market share in the NorthAmerican market. Shame on you Ford!

    Toyota became the 2nd car manufacturer and relegated Ford to 3rd place. Ford will have to sweat it out to regain market share. In the meantime, dollars become yen and pump up the Japanese economy while we become poorer and unemployed in the U.S.
  • I think there are more things to be done for Taurus than just marketing to compete with Camry. It includes new engine, new transmission, new suspension, better execution of interior, better power steering. Basically a new car. Vulcan is not a choice at all even for fleets.

    So Futura is the step in right direction to compete with Toyota and Honda, but still it is a catch-up, because is several years after Mazda6 debut. Developing cars in America takes IMHO too long to compete with Japanese companies.
  • I have a 2000 Ford Taurus SE with the FFV engine. I have 60k on it and have had no problems whatsoever. The interior is, for the most part, solid yet simple. However, the Taurus is just too mediocre. Even though I don't have the Duratec or leather seating, the Taurus just isn't that exciting of a car. It's reliable and gets you to where you have to go, but that's about it. The ride isn't that great. The overall design just seems old. The seats are too firm. I don't know about the Duratec personally, which I do hear good things about, but the Vulcan is just such a boring engine, and it starts to get rough at 3500 rpm. The transmission has to stop to think about which gear to select when you mash the throttle, and you can feel it searching through the limited four gears it has. I also wish I had a sophisticated 4 cyl. instead of a pushrod v6 for a base engine, although I will opt for a DOHC v6 next time I get a new car. Don't worry, I plan on still buying Ford. There also aren't any features that make it stand out. I really hope the Futura comes through as a modern replacement and can compete with Japanese rivals. I'm a Ford loyalist and will gladly buy either a Five Hundred or Futura when it comes out, but until then I guess I'm just stuck with my plain outdated Taurus.
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    Well, had to dip into the repair pool yesterday boys. Needed a full brake job. Rotors, pads, drums, shoes and replace two leaking rear wheel cylinders with an inner tie rod up front.

    The total ? $701.00 at a shop called Brake and Go. The're new up here in NH. They were $400.00 less than my dealer and the brakes are all Raybestos. I hope the styling on the Merc Montego is similar to the concept drawings. If it is that's my next purchase.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    As I was reading a previous post about Taurus', my mind went back to last Friday when I took my Sable S.W. to a car wash. Every other vehicle was Japanese, German and either sedans or SUV's. I'm pretty sure most of these 4 luxo wheels were leased. No that I have anything about leasing, it's just not my thing. I always bought cash, so it's not that I couldn't afford (leasing) one of these imported babies.

    According to my vehicle needs and perception of what a car is and should be, what I choose to own is sufficient. I'm BIG on safety and according to my research, my car is just as safe and perhaps safer as well as structurally stronger than all of those luxo cars and SUV's I saw.

    You know the Taurus/Sable may be uninspired, monotonous, dated and simple but how much stock do we put on value and safety. If we sit down and did numbers, how much do we save buy buying a Taurus over those "exciting", expensive, costly to repair and insure foreign beauties?

    When my car came out of the wash all wet but clean and shiny, it didn't look any less than the others.
  • Actually many of so called German luxury cars are unreliable, including Mercedes and BMW. So after warranty expires it is a good idea to get rid of car asap, if you are not a millionaire of course. So leasing a German car is a good idea.

    Just an example. My pal owned BMW Z3 convertible. It started to fall apart right after warranty expired and required repair that would worth several grands at least. He quickly reset ECU and trade it in for another BMW from the same dealer. If he had a lease it wasn't a problem at all - he would return the car before warranty expired.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    So many SUV buyers would do well to value safety as highly as you do. How many soccer moms really know how to handle their 2+ ton SUVs in emergency manuvers, God forbid they ever need to?

    I dont understand why every SUV sold isnt sold with stability control of some sort, but perhaps thats why I'm a Toyota fan.

    The Taurus is exactly what you say it is. A safe car with a respectable (though not great) value equation. That said, its been eclipsed by the competition, doesnt offer the LATEST safety features such as side curtains, vehicle stability control, rear head restraints(not that rear heard restraints are really that high tech or costly...) and hence, many are awaiting the promising Futura/500 lines.

    ~alpha
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    alpha01: I don't think that manufacturers care about installing SC in their SUV's but focus on the bottom line and if they're sued they settle out of court. SUV's are dangerous and most of us don't know how to handle them. The don't drive like cars. To an SUV owner reading this my statement may appear to be an attack. It is not.

    As far as Taurus, I've never been sure that Ford was that much interested in competing head to head with Camry/Accord. Ford always made much of its money selling trucks where it had only Chevrolet, and among them they shared the American and foreign market up to the last couple of years.

    Still, Taurus always offered V6 motors and some standard equipment which those buying Accord/Camry usually had to pay more for. As far as mechanical reliability is concerned, there are a lot of Taurus owners who got close to 200000 miles out of their cars. In my case, my Merc. Sable came with quite a list of standard equipment, traction control and leather seating included. On the other hand, since the start my car exhibited problems. It's a trade off.
  • Today I picked our new used 2001 Taurus SEL. We had signed the papers on monday, however it needed to have some service done on it and it needed to be detailed, so we picked it up today.

    The car is spec'ed out as follows:
    2001 Taurus SEL
    33000 Miles
    Black
    Tan Leather Interior
    Rear Spoiler
    Mach Audio
    CD Changer
    Floor Shifter
    Moonroof
    Quality Checked plus a Premium Care Warranty.

    Total OTD was $12k, and that was including the PremiumCare Warranty add on to the Quality Checked Warranty, and the 35k mile service (which they also changed the transmission fluid because we weren't sure if it had been done yet).

    The car is basically flawless in condition, with a minor scuff on the rear bumper, and a small hairline scratch by the moonroof.

    The car drives like it was brandnew, and I am very pleased with what I paid, and how I was treated by the dealer. They were extremely accomodating and willing to answer any and all questions that we had.

    Overall very pleased with what makes our 2nd Ford Vehicle (also have an '02 Excursion Diesel).

    AS
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    Good luck with your Taurus?

    Since you're satisfied with the dealer and good dealers are very hard to come by, what's the name
    of the dealership and what city is it located?

    That info is allowed here. No names of salesmen/mgrs. or phone #'s, though.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    why do you make the assumption those "imported babies" were leased? leasing is way down due to very low new car interest rates and with many automakers pulling back from offering enticing leases due to losing their butt off from past leases.

    alpha is right, taurus is falling behind in terms of safety features. i have a hunch you have a ford product because you like fords and not because your research indicated your sable is the car to get for safety.

    exactly what luxury import sedan is not as safe or as strong structurally as a sable? quite to the contrary.
  • I found some black ice with my 2000 Ford Taurus wagon and performed an operational test on a Jersey Barrier with the front end of my car at 20-30 mph on 2/10/04. After the collision the air bags failed to deploy - however, the idiot light on the dashboard was kind enough to light up to inform me that the air bag system was not operating correctly.
     
    I called Ford who has forwarded my complaint to some black hole. Is this problem an isolated case or has Ford been selling defective air bags?
     
    Further online searching shows that the NHTSA has 260 reported failures of the air bag system on the 2000 Ford Taurus. http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/defects reports that there have been two investigations into the problem. The second investigation is ongoing (NHTSA Action Number EA03010).
     
    You can file complaints as follows:
     
     By Phone
    Call the DOT Auto Safety Hotline at 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236) and a NHTSA representative will record your complaint information.

    By Mail

    You may also print the web form out and fax it to (202) 366-7882 or mail it to:

    U.S. Department of Transportation,
    National Highway Traffic Safety Administration,
    Office of Defects Investigation,
    NSA-10.01, 400 7th Street, SW,
    Washington, DC 20590.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    I know all of these people since the majority of them are my neighbors. I know their vehicle preferences, marriage status, and jobs they hold. Every 2 to 3 years they drive something new.

    I've liked Fords and other American makes since childhood. However I bought Sable because (1) is a very structurally safe car, (2) it's roomy (3) is powerful, (4) I got more bang for the buck as compared to Camry/Accords.

    My comparison of imports' stuctural strength to my Sable was made purely on issues of $$$$$. I believe that my car is just as strong as the luxury imports I happened to see while at the car wash. I follow NHTSA and IIHS and is no denying that luxo imports are well built. I was in no way referring, in my previous post, to Camry or Accords.

    If you read my post again you'll notice that I also mention the high insurance premiums these people pay for their vehicles. We live in a zip code which is well known for high theft.

    Sable or Taurus has not been falling behind in safety. I had an unfortunate chance to prove it when after 2 weeks after I had my station wagon I was rear ended. Cosmetic damage to the bumper, no damage to the car's body and no damage to my neck.
    My car also came with side air bags, traction control and ABS standard. These was back in 2000. The only safety neglect on the part of Ford was the lack of rear seat head rests, which is a glaring mistake. At this point in time, Accord and Camry as well as Subaru's Legacy are just as safe as Taurus/Sable.
  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    It really seems like Ford is putting the Taurus/Sable in End of Life mode. They made some modest improvements to interior & exterior styling for 2004, but haven't seemed to have made any improvements in functional or safety features in several years. I don't know why, it has a good solid chassis, the Duratec is a very good engine, but four wheel disc brakes are only available on the wagon. Why? Still no side curtain airbag option. Why? Stability control isn't available, it my not be needed on such a car but it sure wouldn't hurt. Still no rear seat head restraints! There is no longer a performance version available even though it shouldn't be that difficult to put a performance tuned version of the Duratec, like those that power the Lincoln LS, and the Jaguar, in it, along with vented discs on all four wheels of course. If Ford really do plan to keep building these at Atlanta for two to four more years, why not bring them up to date functionally, and then market them? It shouldn't be that hard.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    once the 500 and futura come out the taurus will be regulated exclusively (or almost) to rental fleets. isn't this so. so i don't blame ford for not making heavy investments in the taurus.

    at least you recognize some of the taurus/sable's
    shortcomings.
  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    "once the 500 and futura come out the taurus will be regulated exclusively (or almost) to rental fleets. isn't this so. so i don't blame ford for not making heavy investments in the taurus.

    at least you recognize some of the taurus/sable's
    shortcomings."

    Hey, I'm a Dearbornite and a stockholder, Ford's fortunes are too closely tied to mine for my own comfort sometimes. The trouble is it will take months to ramp up production on the 500/Montego/Freestyle, cars with brand new CVTs standard, and the Futura won't debut 'til a year after that. Atlanta is one of the most productive plants Ford has. It really same a shame to just write the car off so easily and watch people buy all those Camrys, Accord, and Altimas.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    What exactly do you need side curtain air bags and stability control on a car for????

    Ford has obviously given up on the idea of competing with the Japanese by using Taurus and Sable. To that end, Mazda6 will attempt to compete (Mazda partly owned by Ford), and Ford's new models.

    How about looking at Taurus from the standpoint of standard features and safety and not the functionality imposed by Honda, Toyota and Nissan?
  • I'm looking for an everyday driver, I'm in the hunt for a 2002 or 2003 Taurus SES...price with 15-25 miles $10-11,000 around here. Although this car is bland compared to my wife's Avalon, I can buy three Taurus for what we paid for the Avalon. I drive about 20,000 mile a year, the car's are reliable and as cheap as transportation as I can find. I'm 6'6" tall, the Taurus also is a roomy car for tall drivers...
    Question: should I hold out for a 24 valve engine or is the standard engine OK for this vehicle??
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    "What exactly do you need side curtain air bags and stability control on a car for????"

    WOW! that's quite a statement. are you being serious? what, if a safety feature is not available on your sable it's not important.

    i thought the accord should have side curtain airbags available on all of its models and not just the high end models. i guess i was wrong. why would you want to avoid head injuries from side impacts?
  • I just bought an '01 SEL yesterday and it has 33,000 miles. We paid, including a premium care warranty and the 35k service and TTL, $12k. The car is immaculate inside and out with the exception of a scratch by the moonroof and a scuff on the bumper.

    I drove a car with the standard V6 and one with the Duratec. There is almost no comparison between them and I highly recommend the Duratec. Considering the fact that the Taurus's have depreciated so much, I can't possibly imagine there is going to be a huge price difference between them, so it makes sense to get the 24V Duratec.

    Just my $.02,

    AS
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    Actually i thought that side curtain air bags were more suitable for SUV's which have a tendency to roll over. Side air bags (which I have) take care of protecting the occupants from side collisions in cars which rarely roll over.

    If you bothered to read my earlier posts you'd have noticed that I'm quite critical of Sable/Taurus after owning mine for number of years and seeing its shortcomings.

    I am not fanatical about the brand or the manufacturer as you wrongly perceived. I have no loyalties to any car manufacturer.

    You, on the other hand venus, are a Taurus basher who got into arguments with several posters whom you sniped. By the way, how is your Jetta? Did it come out of the shop yet?? Did you finally buy an Accord????
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