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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008

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  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    It's nice to have a pretty car, but if it's in the shop many times, it get ugly.

    I had a 1994 Mustang, got lots of attention, but had so many mechanical problems! Traded on a less pretty Contour, less attenion and less problems!

    So looks only go so far, if the mechanics (personality) aren't there to back it up.
  • dako_tiandako_tian Posts: 298
    their is a tendency for car thieves to overlook the less sexy plain janes....

    Traffic cops too (this should not be construed as an endorsement of speeding -- though that is only "keeping up with the flow of traffic " in North Texas).
  • msheetsmsheets Posts: 10
    Me lease on my company car expires in November and I will have to choose a new car. Our current choices are the Taurus, Grand Am and Malibu. When will Ford stop manufacturing the Taurus and will it be available in November? I would like stay with the Taurus simply because it has more room that the other two models. I know Ford has the 500 and Futura coming out in the next couple of years that will replace the Taurus.

    Any help would be appreciated.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    I came to the conclusion that I'm quite distressed regarding Ford's not putting more effort into the Taurus/Sable, and instead investing everything into those new models we've been hearing about.

    I'd like Ford to keep the Taurus as its family car. I'd also like the manufacturer to improve two things in it: Install head rests on rear seats and improve head lights. This car can compete well with the Japanese. I don't want a different body design or all wheel drive. Just improve on what is there.

    If Ford doesn't care about my opinion then let them build a Taurus or Sable according to my specifications.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    What is there is NOT good enough. Ford smartly recognizes that consumers realize the Taurus is now in its 9th undistinguished model year, and has fallen behind the times in terms of safety features, performance, quiet, refinement, efficiency, interior design, and resale. It is a merely good vehicle competing against too many great ones.

    ~alpha
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Taurus will still be around for several more years, based on what I have read, so for sure will be here in November.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    I agree Ford needs to move on and Ford is moving on. Taurus is a good car with a great price and great value, but the competition is strong. Five hundred and futura are what they are moving to and will likely get them competitive with the best in the affordable sedan arena, but time will tell.

    My only regret is that they are abandoning the Taurus name. I would prefer that the upcoming Futura continue the Taurus name, keeping some consistency from a marketing standpoint. Futura is likely to have nearly the same passenger and trunk space available as the current Taurus, but the corporate decision has apparently been made that all Ford cars begin with "F" hence the Futura name (though Mustang will still be the enduring exception). Futura also is a historic Ford name, though hasn't been used for a long time.
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    Hey guys, don't get me wrong. I love the lines and styling of the Sable and Taurus. It's just that they make the concept pictures (Merc Montego)look so good (long, sleek and sexy) and when you finally see the end product(the 500) it's short looking, stubby and stinky!

    Looked at a nice cinnamon red 2003 Taurus SEL today. All the options. A dealer executive car with 25,000 miles for 13,500.

    I'm real tempted!!
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hey shank6 - everytime you hit Refresh, your message reposts. The way to redisplay a page after posting a message is to use the "Recent Msgs" link on the page bar.

    I'll take care of the multiple messages, but if it happens again you can handle it yourself with the blue delete button that appears to the right of all the messages you post.

    :)
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    Sorry about that Pat. Too much coffee I guess
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Id bet that you can get them down another grand, to $12,500, if they really want to move the car.
    At that price, its possibly the best deal going. Would only consider a CPO one, though.

    ~alpha
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Shank6 - don't worry about it at all. It's a quirk of this software that has probably bitten all of us at one time or another.

    :-)
  • oxx93oxx93 Posts: 67
    Just hit 28,000 on my 01 SES and the brakes are starting to squeak badly. I will be taking it in shortly. Anyone else have/notice this problem?
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    I've got 37K on my 2000 SES and no unusual brake noise yet. I do have just the slightest amount of pulsing when coming off a high speed freeway ramp to a stop, but it is so tiny I can live with it until I need new brakes, which hopefully won't be needed until 50K or so. I imagine the rotors a a bit warped.

    If you do a lot of city driving and abrupt starting and stopping, I suppose your pads could be getting worn down.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    More than 1.3 million Ford Taurus and Mercury Sable sedans will be recalled to correct problems with brake lights and air filters. In the first recall, the 2000-2003 Taurus/Sable will be brought back because the center high-mounted stop lamps have bad switches that could lead to inoperative or always-on lights.

    The second recall covers 2003 Taurus/Sable sedans that have air filters that may catch fire. Both repairs will be done at no cost to owners. Ford will be mailing notices to owners immediately.
  • oxx93oxx93 Posts: 67
    I do drive in the city, roughly 30 miles a day, but it is in Chicago and the brakes get alot of use during rush hour. Do the pads need to be replaced or do they adjust them? Is it costly?
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    There really isn't anything to "adjust" on the front disc brakes. If you need just new pads for the front, it shouldn't be very expensive. You can usually get basic two wheel brake jobs for $100 or less.

    Usually you can get a free inspection at some of the franchise places like Car-X or Midas. Of course they are likely to find something wrong so you spend more there, but you are under no obligation. You would at least get an opinion and they usually show you the brakes after the wheels are removed.

    I actually have had good luck with a local Car-X franchise, which did a good job on our other vehicle, a 1996 Caravan. Brakes actually stop better than when the car was new. I never did like the feel of the brakes, but now they seem to be better than they ever were.
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    In an evident about-face, Ford has decided to keep Taurus and the Mercury Sable in showrooms through 2009. Earlier reports had these cars moving to fleet-only status at mid-decade to make room for the 2006-model Ford Futura and similar Mercury and Lincoln sedans based on the midsize Mazda 6 platform. Ford is also about to launch the Five Hundred and Mercury Montego sedans, which are Volvo-based and slightly larger than Taurus/Sable. So why keep the old home-grown midsizers? We can only guess that Ford planners want to hedge their bets. Regardless, Taurus/Sable production will be cut in half once Ford's Chicago factory is retooled to build the Five Hundred/Montego. The Atlanta Taurus/Sable plant will carry on, though sources say it may drop the slow-selling wagon at some point.

    from: http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/- 37568
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    Hey all :

    Any of you had problems with inner or outer tie rods?. I had both on the drivers side replaced as ther was tire play and groaning coming from that side.

    Now I'm getting the same situation on the passenger side when I'm stopped and cut the wheel to the right. This is our 2000 Sable LS with only
    74,500 miles on it, and most of those miles are highway.

    At $185.00 a rod this is getting expensive.
  • Hello Everyone,

    I am new to this forum and wanted to post a message to you all for your feedback concerning the Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable.

    I purchased a fully loaded 2004 Ford Taurus SEL (with TCS, Mach, Home Link, etc.) back in January primarily to use as a work commuter vehicle. I chose the Merlot exterior with the two-tone parchment leather interior. My other vehicle is a 2003 GMC Envoy XL V-8, so the Taurus helps me save on fuel costs as well. I really like the Taurus because it's very roomy, has a nice look and seems to be ranked fairly high in terms of occupant safety. I looked at some other major competitors to the Taurus, but decided on the Ford based on the incentives and rebates that were available.

    As with the good things, come the bad things. There are several items on my Taurus that kind of bother me, but not the the point where it deteriorates my ownership experience.

    #1: Sound insulation? I honestly think that either my vehicle left the factory without any sound insulation materials at all OR this is just the nature of the beast? I specifically notice a lot of road noise, especially from the back seat area of the vehicle? It's not that quiet at all. I can really tell the difference when I drive my Envoy as compared to the Taurus, because the Ford is considerably noisier. On my first day of ownership, I checked the windows and sunroof several times because I swore that something had to be open for the vehicle to have that much wind noise? Could a lot of the noise stem from the Continental brand tires? If so, I will yank them and put on something else.

    #2: Sunroof? I think that my sunroof may need adjusting due to the tremendous amount of wind noise that emanates from it while it's closed? Once on the freeway running approximately 80 mph, a cross-wind struck and it felt as if it were gonna rip off the sunroof? I felt (and heard) a big gush of wind come through it? Even when I go through the touchless car washes, the dryer cycle really gets the best of me. I am usually guaranteed to get WET everytime I go through the dryer cycle. I am guessing that the dryer creates enough force to push water from the seals into the vehicle and make it sound as if it's gonna rip off the sunroof? This alarms me because my predecessors did not do this (2002 Chevy Impala LS, 2002 Grand AM GT1, etc.). I thought about purchasing a sunroof deflector in hopes of cutting down on the wind noise. Would anyone suggest a particular brand/style?

    #3: Duratec V-6? While this is a very strong engine for the Taurus, I have a wierd vibration that comes from my engine while on the freeway and accelerating? Does anyone else experience this? I can depress the accelerator 1/4 way down to pass a vehicle and I can feel this vibration either from the engine or tires.. but I am assuming it's the engine due to the fact that the vibration quits once I let off of the accelerator. Maybe this is just the nature of the engine, but I just did not think that it was that smooth? I can cruise along the freeway at 80 mph and the ride is as smooth as ever, once again allowing me to rule out any possibility of the tires. The vibration only occurs when I am accelerating. Additionally, I changed the engine oil over to Synthetic at 1K and the vibration seemed to diminish for a few days, now it's back again.

    I have approximately 1500 miles on the odometer to date and have plans on possibly addressing these concerns during my first 5k scheduled maintenance appointment. Otherwise, I think that the Taurus is a wonderful vehicle, just wish that it was a little quieter? Oh.. last but not least, I purchased the Ford remote start for the vehicle and it works like a dream! The vehicle is nice and toasty every morning!

    Any feedback that you all could provide would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!

    IExplore2000
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Taurus is not vault quiet(I have a 2000 SES Duratec) but is certainly a reasonably quiet vehicle, so I do not know if you have an issue related to yours alone. You may want to test drive another Taurus and see if it behaves the same as yours. Road noise is highly dependent on the particular road you are on-I have noticed this issue on my Taurus, and could be influenced much by the tires. I have the OEM Continentals, and have no other basis of comparison, except I know our 1996 Caravan is quieter than the Taurus but that comparison has different tires and completely different vehicles.

    One guess-are the fold down back seat cushions fully up? They could be letting noise in from the trunk. Maybe a side window is not fully closing?

    I do not have a sunroof, but certainly it appears yours may not be closing/sealing properly and maybe needs adjustment.

    There is some vibration feedback through the accelerator pedal under hard acceleration, but I guess I have never felt it to be unusual. Again, I would maybe test drive another Taurus with Duratec to see if the problem is just with your vehicle. Your dealer probably has a demo unit you can test. I cannot imagine how there could be any relationship between synthetic vs conventional oil and vibration levels.
  • oxx93oxx93 Posts: 67
    I have a 2001 SES with the sunroof and have not noticed any excessive noise or any water coming in. It might be your vehicles roof. I would take it to the dealer right away.

    On another issue, has anyone noticed a rough start with your Taurus. I have noticed that after starting the car and shifting to drive, it feels like the engine is jumping/reving hard? It is not smooth and it sounds like it might die. I have noticed this only in the mornings. Any thoughts?
  • upsetter1upsetter1 Posts: 205
    My Sable Premium is definitely more refined and quiet than Olds Alero that I rented. There is no problem with sunroof eigther. You have to check did you really close it, you have to get used how to close it, because if you push button a bit longer it starts to open other way.

    About Duratec it depends what you call vibration. When you accelerate it changes gears and revs-up. When you're cruising it overdrives at lower rpms, so at higher rpms it may vibrate more. It is not as silky smooth as Japanese or German V6 for sure.
  • automan227automan227 Posts: 118
    You have to make sure that your sunroof is really close, because like upsetter1 said, its very easy to have it open the other way and you get a lot of windnoise.

    On my '01 SEL I have not noticed any such vibration when accelerating at all.

    Oxx93- I have not noticed any such high revving or anything. On the duratecs, when you start them, they will rev slightly higher for several seconds then idle normally because it warms up the engine. When I shift into drive/reverse, the engine starts revving even lower.

    I have not found Road Noise to be excessive at all like anyone is describing. Of course it doesn't have the refinement of a German V6 (passat et al), but for the most part I find it just fine.

    AS
  • oxx93oxx93 Posts: 67
    Sorry-I do not have the Duratec, just the base V6. It feels like the car wants to lunge forward, it is very strange. I have to have it checked out.
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    "I have not noticed any such high revving or anything. On the duratec, when you start them, they will rev slightly higher for several seconds then idle normally because it warms up the engine. When I shift into drive/reverse, the engine starts revving even lower."

    I've noticed the same with my Sable. Regarding the road noise, I hear the Duratech growling under the hood, but I don't find it to be excessively noisy to the point of annoyance. I just enjoy hearing the motor though.

    In Camries and Accords you probably have to pull over, pop the hood open to check if there is a motor in there or it fell out somewhere;). The growly engine is part of the Taurus/Sable personality.
  • snowmansnowman Posts: 540
    The vibration might be related to universal joint angle. Mentioned this to your dealer, they should know...
    And also defective motor mounts...
  • Hey All,

    Thanks for your advice on my 30K tune-up question. Also, way back in mid-January, message #2643, I brought up a vibration issue I was dealing with-- more felt than heard, under the gas pedal, particularly at highway speeds. After two visits it was diagnosed as the half-shafts in the axles. I hope that makes sense because I don't know much about cars, so I am just writing it from the mechanic's write-up. They were completely replaced under warranty. Just a heads-up to all of you, especially if you're still under warranty-- vibration seems to be a concern for some lately, and it would be an expensive repair outside of warranty.

    Also, keep an eye on your clocks. Mine is slow--to the tune of maybe 5-10 minutes a week-- and they are completely replacing the unit for me. This is one of those things that I would never pay to replace outside of warranty, but it can be slightly irritating not to have an accurate clock, so I am glad I noticed!

    Other than that, all's well. The replacement of the axles made the car a lot quieter and smoother. For reference in terms of these repairs--I don't know if they might vary between model year-- I have an '02 SES.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Now now, no need for cheap Camcord shots! The Camry and Accord both use gas struts, not prop rods, for the hood.

    :)

    ~alpha
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    Hey iexplore. If you close your interior sun shield that will cut down on your noise level a ton. I haven't had an leakage problems with my 2000 Sable at all, so as the other guys have said make sure it's closed all the way.

    Those OEM Continentals aren't the greatest for cutting down on road noise either. I switched to Cooper All Season radials and that made a big difference in noise levels and handling.

    You will get some vibration from the Duratech when you stand on it, but that seems to be just a bit of the engines personality coming through!. Don't worry it's a good engine, and you made a good decision.
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