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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005

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  • tateostateos Posts: 36
    I would think twice about that one - maybe this car has had problems. Good luck, whatever you decide.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    Just a guess, but it seems that it was used as a demo by a dealer first. As for the 1-month owner, it's not unusual for cars sold at lease auctions.

    Did you see the Carfax report? It should contain more details like Lemon Law-cars, etc.

    Good luck,
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    I sent a note, the absence of the GP was acknowledged, but nothing was done.

    Could it be bias? Nice, Edmunds! ;-)
  • cigsmhcigsmh Posts: 16
    Hi All,

    As I mentioned before I was worried about 2001 Grand Prix GT already had 3 owners according to CARFAX report. I have asked dealer about this and he told me that he doesn't know all previous owners, but he could give me a report which reflects all warranty works has been done to this car. It was only 2 minor repairs, so I decided that this car is fine.
    The car looks like new.
    I have noticed though that it is noisy inside.
    The ride is not quiet so does the engine. I used to drive Corolla and I was enjoying a quiet ride.
    Somebody can tell me something about noise?
    Is that normal for GT?
    Being only 30 000 miles it still has original tires.
    Is that possible that tires also contribute to this noise?
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    well the Corolla did not have any engine :)
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    LOL! And having owned and driven Corollas, I can honestly say the GP is much, much quieter, and DOES even have an engine, a good one!

    Perhaps you should drive other Grand Prixs. There may indeed be something peculiar with THIS one car...
  • cigsmhcigsmh Posts: 16
    Thank you guys for your responses.
    I like the car, but I have never had GP before, so I am trying to understand what is going on.
    The car is pretty quiet, but on High Way after 60 mph I can hear noise of wind and it increases as I increase speed. There is no any particular noise; it is kind of outside noise.
    I still can return this car back, but I am not sure whether it will be right thing to do.
    It would be a good idea to drive another GP, but I need to find one.
  • tek3tek3 Posts: 20
    You should just rent one.
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    Have not been on in a while. Nothing to report on the GP, just gas and oid changes. Had the tires rotated yesterday for spring and had the brakes checked. Mechanically this car is sound and GM did a great job right out of the gate in terms of quality. Glad I didn't go Accord and spend more money on a first year rattle trap. Sounds like some of the owners over there aren't too pleased with their Hondas.

    It's good to see GM finally getting their quality #s up and past the Euros. Won't be long before Detroit and Tokyo are neck and neck in terms of quality. The reality in my opinion is that they already are!
  • andy71andy71 Posts: 96
    You may be right. I mean the highly underrated Buick Regal actually topped the Toyota Camry in long term reliability. I believe the Grand Prix shares the same powertrain right?
  • I just hit 7 months and 10,000 miles. I love this car. I'm working on a tank of gas where I'm getting 28 MPG. Not bad for a big 3.8L engine. That beats my brother's 4-cylinder Accord, which he paid more for.
  • twobrownstwobrowns Posts: 52
    I test drove an 04 GTP this week end and was very impressed, fun to drive,great engine, solid etc. However I am concerned about value, ie trading it in 3 yrs. The old GP had a terrible resale value. The rebates and discounts are great but will I be saving now but pay latter when I trade? Any opinions.
  • montanafanmontanafan Posts: 945
    If you are concerned about future value, check out the GMAC SmartBuy finance option. Get $1,500 in downpayment money, $750 Bonus Rebate (at least in the Northeast) and $665 Rebate if car has leather. GMAC will buy it back for the balloon payment figure at month 36 (either 47% or 50% of msrp depending on the mileage plan).
  • My co-worker just stopped by to tell me he is having another problem with his 03 Accord. This time they need to replace the catalytic converter because it is not functioning properly and is smelling him out. Apparently this is a wide-spread problem with the 03s.
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    Ya, Honda isn't what it used to be in my eyes. Seems like they are looking to cut costs at any cost. I guess they figure their reputation will hold sales. Seems not to be working as Honda sales in Canada are slumping badly as of late. They are certainly good cars but GM seems to be trying harder and my dealer really pushes customer satisfaction and calls me after each oil change to make sure I'm happy. You'd never get that from a Toronto Honda dealer.
  • Despite how CR hypes Hondas and Toyotas in its ratings, I remember they took a poll of owners as to their dealer experience during the sale and thereafter for maintanance, warranty, service, etc. Toyota dealers always came in dead last place.

    Every car is going to have little bugs here and there. I want a good dealer experience in dealing with the issues. My Pontiac dealer has been outstanding.
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    I'd sooner own a car with 3 issues and a good dealer than a car with 2 issues and a dealer that doesn't believe you have 2 issues.

    ;-)
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    I am a Honda fan they seem to having problems with first year designs: the 01 Civic also had its first year bugs. I don't think its cost cutting at all. I think there are 2 things that are leading to these current problems at Honda: they are making alot more products they didn't have 10 years ago like the MDX and The Oddy. Problem Number 2 as I said up above Honda needs to watch it more with first year of bodystyle designs. Also, they totally drop the ball on the 03-04 Accord Sedan's exterior: the Mazda 6 and Nissan Altima are selling alot better than last year. Honda picked the wrong time to drop the ball on an Accord's exterior.

    Talking about customer service Mitsubishi is dead last. I haven't seen customer service ratings lately for specific car brands. Last time I looked Honda was moving up a little in customer service satisfaction while Toyota stayed not in dead last but yes near the bottom.
  • davidinazdavidinaz Posts: 14
    Hi all. I am the first to admit that my experience with the new widetrack Grand Prix was limited to a rental car. But the experience was that questionable in this one area.
    Before I blast it, I do say that the car handles very well. The engine had power to spare and was able to get me onto the freeway with no problems. The dash board was very neat and easy to read.
    But the one problem I had that is bothering me literally as of this posting is seat comfort. The car I got from the rental company was this cloth material that was as basic as possible. To me, it was a step or two above the material you would see in a car owned by a cities water department.
    Second, the front seats were as hard as a rock. No comfort to them what-so-ever.

    Another issue is that the seat is designed to keep you firmly in the center of the seat. Which is fine. However, the version of the car I had did not have any type of lumbar support. I have never been in a car before with this kind of seating with no controls for lumbar. (The car did have power seats to it's benefit)
    No matter how I adjusted the seat, I could not get comfortable. From Orlando to Sarasota I stopped once or twice because the seat was bothering me that much.
    Toward the end, my lower back was starting to hurt. AS of right now, it is a challenge for me to get in and out of any type of chair because my lower back is in that much discomfort because of this car. My wife's back was starting to hurt her when we turned the car in.

    I wish the car designer would raise the car again. This thing was too low. Plus, where did they get that upholstery. I have rented Chevy Impala's and they upholstery there is nicer than the Pontiac.

    I would be very hard pressed to rent this, much less, purchase this car no matter what kind of deal I would get!

    Dave
  • tek3tek3 Posts: 20
    We could debate all weekend about the disappointing comfort and design of the back seat, which I believe GM has redesigned recently. The comfort of the front seat, however, in my subjective opinion, is excellent. That's one of the bests parts of my '04 GP and has gotten me many compliments. Additionally, the GP is available with power seats that include lumbar support adjustment, probably not found on an '03 rental car.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    I have complained vehemently about the GP's back seat, which I do think is atrocious. But, if that short a ride in the new GP caused you and your wife such pains, there is a very distinct possibility you both need to seek medical advice. A short journey in ANY car should not cause such symptoms. You really do need to find out what is going on here. I doubt it is JUST the car.
  • fantascpfantascp Posts: 175
    I have a 2003 GT- although it took a few times
    to get the seats adjusted to my comfort level
    the front driver and passenger seats are fine, Granted, I have leather seats, heated driver seat and lumbar support, but a rental is a rental- you get what you pay for- don't judge the car by a rental vehicle- I also own a 98 Bonneville SSE which is (IMHO) more comfortable than the GP
    but it is also a bigger vehicle and the MSRP was also higher- again- you get what you pay for.
    If you are thinking of purchasing a GP- then test drive one with leather,lumbar support etc- don't bother with one without these obviously if it gave you and your wife backaches. If you still get a backache, purchase a different vehicle!
  • I know what you're talking about with the uncomfortable seats in the GT1. I had preordered my Comp G before the 04s hit the dealer lot. When they got one in (a GT1) I sat in it just to check it out. I thought I might be in trouble because the seat was so bad. I figured (hoped!) the Comp G would have better seats and sure enough, it does! I've driven for four hours without stopping and haven't had to "scootch" around at all. In my 97 (also with leather power seats) I could go maybe 1 1/2 hours.
  • tek3tek3 Posts: 20
    Is there really that much difference between the cloth and leather seats beside seating surface material? Or are you saying that the trim lines have different seats altogether?
  • You're right, it's not really GT1 vs. Comp G but standard vs. power seats. Huge difference though!
  • davidinazdavidinaz Posts: 14
    johnclineii - It is possible that it was not entirely the car. But, my wife said when we turned the car in and I started to have problems that she had never seen me like this. (Her back is not great - and she admitted it!)

    I do know that I am a bigger guy who cannot handle the lower cars. I honestly thought the Grand Prix was the same height and comfort as the Impala. I did have some problems getting out of the car. (I hit my head getting out once or twice) But the back problems...OY!

    Dave
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Well, I have owned both an Impala and a Grand Prix, 2000LS and 1998GTP, respectively. I can say the GP sits MUCH lower than the Impala. My father had Alzheimers and got to the point he could no longer get in and out of the Grand Prix without a great deal of assistance, which is why I traded for the Impala.

    Perhaps you should look at vehicles like the Subaru Outback or the Ford Five Hundred...
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,581
    "One interesting bit of news from the sales manager was that the '05 Grand Prix GTP will have a 5.3L V8--still FWD. " - bunky36

    Anyone else heard anything like this?
    - Ray
    Cross posted from Bonneville board . . .
  • I drove in my friend's Impala for a long weekend trip. I like the Impala - I think it is a very nice car. The Impala sits higher, but it has a very high door sill to get your feet over to get in and out of the front seat. I found that put stress on my sore lower back at the time.

    The base model GP cloth seats are atrocious, and the cloth has since been changed already by Pontiac. I would not have bought a GP without power leather and heated seats. The leather makes it much easier to slide in and out of the car, which is necessary because the top of the door is very low. At first it is easy to hit your head on the top of the door until you get used to it.
  • tateostateos Posts: 36
    David:

    I too am not as comfortable as I'd like in my wife's 2004 GTP, but I feel it is actually due to the meager headroom (especially with the sunroof), and the fact that I am 6 feet tall plus long waisted (I wear 30" in-seam pants). I have to recline the seat significantly just to fit in, and my head still has to be cocked a little to the right to fit in the area where the sunroof is. I'm sure I would be more comfortable if I could position the seat without concern for head room, as I can on my friend's Regal. I'm not really complaining, as we knew about this issue before we bought the car, and since the car is my wife's and she fits in fine, we decided to go for it.

    Anyway, my point is that the seat comfort may be at least partly related to the lack of headroom if you are tall or long waisted.

    RM
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