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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005

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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,545
    C'mon man, you supposedly have the thing in your driveway. Go look at it.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    Japanese brands have typically kept parts renewal of new models to below 40%, sometimes even less, whereas American ones often used to brag about the ratio of renovation. For instance, I remember DC's CEO bragging that the new Grand Cherokee had in common with the previous model just the parts in a bag he showed to the public.

    I wonder if the new GP being an evolutionary model has something to do with GM trying to improve quality.

    IMO, a move in the right direction.
  • orwoodyorwoody Posts: 269
    Per the Pontiac website they are offering $1000 rebate or low interest on the 2004 GP. Keep 'em coming!

    Always like most of the Grand Prixs:
    - College roomie had a '72 GP Coupe w/428 in Gold that was to die for.
    - Sister-in-Law won't give up her '76 GP Coupe and All the V8 power

    I really like the looks of the 97-03 but still can't decide what color was best.
     But I do think I like the 2004 in Black best. Now if I can just get GM to offer a few options I'd like and clean up a few faux pas with the interior. Well, maybe just maybe
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    has anyone seen the new 04 Grand Prix review on Edmunds? They kind of like it but then they found a fwe loose interior trim pieces.

    I'd get a 04 GTP, but the lack of auto-dimming rearview mirror makes me worry. What are the chances they will make it available next year?
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Ruski, A fully loaded 2003 Honda Odyssey a $30k+ vehicle doesn't have an auto dimming rear view mirror either, I believe certain models of the new Accord don't. For me my back window is tinted black on all my cars so it doesn't matter. The reviews on the 2004 GP have been mixed from what I have read, either good or bad.

    Just like they made ABS/Traction control a $600 option on the 2003 GP, yet it was std on every 1997-2002. They made the HUD an option on the 2003 GTP as well meanwhile it was std on the 2002 GTP. So much for progress? Just another way for GM to make more $$. Take std equipment away then charge for it as an option and keep the base price of the car the same or more. Gm isn't the only mfg that has done that.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Its a company 2004 GT and I do NOT get to keep it at home, its only for business use from my office when visiting clients, so theoretically it is not mine. Nice car yes, but definitely needs the extra 60hp esp on the highway with 4 adults. NO the gas cap is NOT locking as far as I know. IE the '97 was alot dif from the '96 where as I dont't notice as much of a dif from the '04 vs the '03 other then the new skin. Same drivetrain and W body platform from 1997. Though it is a little quieter and better handling and does stand out much nicer then the camaccordtaurus out there.l
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Rumor has it that the 2005 or 2006 GTP may get the 4.4L DOHC 280 hp V8 from the GXP Bonnie as an option, that might be worth buying one, even without a coupe..
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    "The example you show is a BRITISH car, sold in the UK. This is not relevant to an American car."

    Sure it is, because it will come here, most likely in the same form. How does an econocar car have a better interior than a 30,000 dollar performance sedan?

    "I don't think it fair to compare it to interiors of cars sold in Europe for far higher prices to a much more discriminating audience."

    "far higher prices"- show me its high, last i checked focus were staple commodity cars in europe

    "much more discriminating audience"- that one I don't get at all....do we not deserve to get the same decent products? more discriminating? hardly, its the other way around. we continually get fed these fisher price GM interiors and after awile you have to live with it because they won't fricking produce an interior that's worth the price of the car. People are dsicriminating, but we're forced to settle because the domestics lower the bar for interior quality and use homer apology tactics to get buyers to beleive they should expect less than this basic level quality cars like Honda routinely offer in their interiors.

    But then again, maybe you are right, a lot of Americans have embarrassingly low standards when it comes to what they will accept as transportation, and in a lot of the cars that sell in volume are fine examples.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Regfootball, ever since 1997 the WEAK point of the GP has been its cheap interior and so-so to avg reliability. as an owner of a a '97 and '02 GTP I can attest, the GP interior is "Fisher Price" CHEAP. The cheapest interior I hae ever sat in for a $28k MSRP car. The 2004 isn't much of an improvement other then better leather and nicer speedo cluster. The only GP that has anything going for it is the GTP version an it's 260 horses, even that engine is loud and unrefined compared to the foreign competition. The 3.5 Nissan and 3.0 honda engines arer much more refined then then 3800. The Accord interior is just as nice as my Infiniti interior. Only knock on the accord is its UGLY rear end sedan styling.

    If pontiac put the 4.4L 280hp V8 engine with the accord type interior in the 2004 GTP they would have a true winner !!! Pontiac keeps wondering why it's sales have dropped for 2 or 3 yrs in a row now...

    Tehy call the 2004 a new GP when it uses the 1997 W body and drivetrain with minor tweaks here and there to the suspension . The 2004 is only a stopgap. The 1997 was the last truly NEW GP.

    I only bought the 2002 GTP, because of the price... I paid LESS for my 2002 GTP coupe then my 1997. The solara and accord coupe were too small for me with not enough power. As we all know the 3800 is very cheap and easy to modify to 300 horse.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    You two must not have kids. Fisher Price is NOT cheap. Fisher Price toys are premium, top of the line items. They command a premium and get it. Fisher Price seems expensive for what it is, but is VERY durable and stands up to abuse. In the long run, one Fisher Price toy will generally outlast three to four cheapies.

    Also, Fisher Price stuff is simple, the average audience, after all, is three to eight year olds! Needless complexity and stuff that will break is out, simple fun is in. My Impala would come far closer to being Fisher Price than any complicated, busy Pontiac interior with all its "gee whiz" factor stuff...(the latest example being the shifter thingy on the steering wheel, instead of being on the shifter where it belongs--like other cars).

    So why do you two call the GP interior Fisher Price? If it were, I, for one, would consider that a compliment.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    evandro : Definitely a move in the right direction. Re-inventing the wheel every few years is part of the reason US based companies had so many issues with new models.

    gunit : Same engines/ transmissions in the 04 Accords, just tweaked.

    gunit : With the Bonny on it's last leg, the GP is bound to get the 4.4L.

    ruski : I can deal with a loose part of trim (always easy to fix). I can't put up with rattles, squeaks and reliability issues.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Pretty much what I expected given what I see at GM these days..

    http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/08/pf/autos/bc.autos.durability/inde- x.htm?cnn=yes
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,476
    The GM information recently released on the Bonne GXP is now that it will basically have a version of the 4.6 (not a 4.4 variant as previously announced) Northsar that looks essentially like the Seville SLS's - similar HP/TQ, but premium fuel is specified. Odd, since Caddy has been specifying regular for a while now.

    Link to GM announcement:

    http://media.gm.com/division/2004_prodinfo/pontiac/bonneville/ind- ex.html

    Cheers,
    - Ray
    Interested in seeing how this GXP model will perform. . .
  • garywgaryw Posts: 116
    I was looking at a new '03 GT and the sticker had a "premium light package". What is that...the dealer ship had no clue. Is it better headlights?

    Thanks...
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Usually means more lights in more places inside the car (under the hood ect), theater dimming features and inside door end lights.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    I would like to say all car companies have their problems with cars and no Toyota and Honda do have their problems. So I do not think Japanese cars are unbreakable.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    <<<So why do you two call the GP interior Fisher Price? If it were, I, for one, would consider that a compliment>>

    JohnclineII, sorry to be off topic !! I have kids, and fisher price strollers are garbage,I'm a Peg Perego, Maclaren and now bug a boo kind of guy for that stuff. Every fisher Price toy I have had has fallen apart, but that is apt to happen with young ones. and for the last time the GP interior is cheap and not up to the competitions standards. I love my now departed '97GTP and now '02 GTP coupe for their semi sporty intentions and great torque but I certainly didn't buy it for its interior. The Leather is more like pleather...thangod they improved that for '04. Sit in a new accord, then sit in the GP you will see the big diff. If Honda could only make their new Accord Sedan with the COUPE body I would trade my 2002 GTP in an instant. But I will see in 2006 what is avalable.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Dindak,
    When Honda went to their NEW Accord for 2003 they put in a 5 spd auto, the previous generation '98-'02 had only a 4spd aut which was problematic when mated to the V6, Honda ext the warranty on 1999-2001 auto trannies in Odysseys in other vehicles? maybe the 5 spd corrected this? Good guess. Sorry about the confusion.

    Roughly only 20% of Accords are sold with the V6, which is similar to how many GP's are sold with the supercharged engine !!
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    <<ruski : I can deal with a loose part of trim (always easy to fix). I can't put up with rattles, squeaks and reliability issues.>>

    DIndak,
    The 1995 Aurora was known for loose trim pieces as I later found out, easy to fix but annoying on a $33k car in 1995 !! even the dealer told me about circa 1997. Esp the moulding a round the rear window. The W bodies of 1997-2003 are known for rattles, squeaks and reliability issues but are IMPROVED from the 1988-1996 W bodies thankgod , hopefully they have even better fixed this for '04, only time will tell. My 1997 GTP was a rattlebox, the usual culprit in 1997-2003 GP is the door panel clips coming loose. In the dash too. The intrigue as well had it share of W body related problems too. But overall a decent platform. Knock on wood my 2002 GTP is so far rattle free !!! only 8k miles.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    The bonny should have gotten a northstar derived V8 in 1997, the yr they dropped its 3800 in the GP. They gave the Aurora a northstar V8 back in 1995. for me there is no need to spend $5k more for the same drivetrain in a bigger slightly more refined car AKA bonny which isn't that much bigger/roomier, in fact I think it has the same 16 cu ft trunk as the GTP...., my opinion. Now if the V8 had been offered in the Bonny I may have already had one instead of the GTP. Pontiacs & Buicks flagship sedans should have more then just a 3800 V6, Olds Flagship got a V8 back in '95. We'll stay tuned and see what GM does... I just hope that GM has fixed the northstar oil consumption/burning problem which usually doesn't start noticeably occuring until after your factory warranty is up, ha! We'll see...
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