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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005

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  • bdimebdime Posts: 130
    Thanks for the input- I have checked the impala site and Read their comments.
    I'm still not decided but leaning more toward the Impala (safety ratings a plus
    and I think the access to cruise etc. would be a plus) Gotta love that Grand Prix
    look though. Along with many race fans- the spouse and I watched the race
    and were not surprised but saddened at the death of Dale Earnhardt. We've
    seen some spectacular crashes at Indy and were looking forward to the new
    track in Joliet opening. It's interesting that while we have different favorites
    hubby and I both like Stewart. (That Grand Prix is a good looking car) It's
    also interesting to note that many of the great safety features all automobiles
    have come from race car inovations. No answers to my earlier question
    about the future of Oldsmobile and it's service huh?
  • Love the GTP but The dodge Intrepid R/T needs a peek,242 horsepowerW/O a supercharger!Yes.....you don't need Premium fuel!!! check it out.
  • mkcomkco Posts: 65
    Maybe Intrepid R/T has 242 hp but I'd bet the farm that it can't touch the GTP's performance. Somehow, the Chrysler engines' ratings don't translate 0-60.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    you will never catch a GTP

    take a look at torque ratings too.
  • bdimebdime Posts: 130
    Well folks I bought the Impala LS. Paid under dealer invoice (1,250rebates from Chevy & auto show)
    Thanks to Edmunds site or I doubt I could have done that well!
    I just couldn't get into the red dash for 5 years and the Controls on that unistick did not thrill me.
    I'll admit the steering/handling is more responsive on the GP but that wasn't enough. Let you
    know if I have any regrets.
  • You guys are obviously diehard GTP fans(or you own one and are defending it,i truly respect that and in no way looking for a debate)From my research i have found 0-60 the GTP will smoke anything,thats the Torque!The R/T will beat the GTP were all the fun is.......Top end,not to mention having a little extra cash in your pocket after leaving the pumps so you can go get a nice cigar for the ride home.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    weak top end of the GTP is an unsubstantiated rumor.
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    What do you mean by "higher end"? Is it torque at 6000 rpm, or 70-95 acceleration time, or 110-130?

    I have a 2000 Buick Regal GS. Basically, the same car as GTP, with the same powertrain, lower body and a lot of common parts. It have very similar behavior, especially concerning acceleration.

    The engine torque is maximal at about 3600 rpm, and the torque falls gradually after 4000. Except you like to drive at red line, 5000 rpm is the max. See link

    http://www.gmpowertrain.com/engines_cartruck/other/38l67_torque.htm

    Though, it does not matter at all. When cruising at 75 mph, engine makes about 2200 rpm. After stepping on gas to pass, the torque jumps to 3600 almost immediately, even with performance shift off. The acceleration at 3600-4000 rpm is outstanding, and supercharger helps a lot here.

    Better to watch your speed: otherwise, when you glance at speedometer after finishing with passing, it turns to be 96 mph. And it does not matter that you passed uphill.

    It happened two times with me - the first week after buying the car, before I could learn it behavior. Clearly did not intend to drive so fast. It took probably just a couple of seconds, or three - how long it takes to pass? Fortunately, there was no police around.

    Have no experience with faster speed, and do not want to have. Any case, Regal (as sold in US/Canada) have T-rated tires and is governed at 110 or 115 mph.

    GP GTP is governed at higher speed, 125 or 130 mph, if I remember it right. But it hardly does matter. Who drives regularly faster than 85-90-100 mph on the US highways? It would be not a simple speeding, but the reckless one.
  • HP = Torque (lb.ft.) x RPM / 5252

    The GTP makes 32 lb.ft. more torque 750 RPM earlier than the Intrepid R/T. This equals better acceleration if weight is equal. The GTP makes 2 less HP than the R/T but it does it at 1200 RPM less than the R/T. During normal driving, the GTP is always operating in the range of it's torque peak. To get the power from the R/T you have to find it at high RPMs. Why does the Viper accelerate so good? Low end torque. The GTP and R/T have totally different engines making power in different ways. I like lots of torque at low RPM so I bought the GTP. Everyone has a different opinion. When buying a car it is just as important to look at the engine's torque curve along with the peak HP number. Have fun.
  • Thanks for the info on the torque,I will add this to my notes and am swinging back towards the GTP again,Has anybody seen the Nascar Pacecar?What kind of horsepower is that thing pushing...sharp looking car!
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    there are some highways that can handle 90mph easily (some were actually built for even higher speeds), the federal government influenced speed limits are not always realistic. Sure when the road is narrow and windy (like the Hutch in NY or Merritt in CT) you better not go too fast. But when the road is flat, wide and straight - why not? Especially if there is no one else around?
  • I noticed that the new 2001 GTP in edmunds shows that the grand prix has a fold down rear seat. Is this true? what other improvements have they made for 2001.
  • Well I just have to defend the GT. I don't see anything wrong with the "uni-stick", but then I rarely (if at all) use the cruise control. Also, I like the red interior. To me the blue/green seems, well to put it nicely, "old". The only thing Chevrolet has going for it is the Corvette. They don't say Pontiac builds excitement for nothing!!

    BTW-I have that thumping noise in the rear too - usually when I back out of the driveway!!
  • The GTP will easily beat the Intrepid RT in normal acceleration, but yes, at highway speeds, the Intrepid RT will beat the GTP. And from what another GTP owner told me, on the highway, it wasn't really close. The Intrepid pulled on the GTP in all the races they had. But upto 60-70mph, the GTP will easily beat the Intrepid.
  • but i am worried about the quality. i am considering a Subaru Legacy GT as well - i pretty big step down in power.. but AWD and great handling would be nice to have too. both cars have pluses and minuses - but i have heard a lot about the plasticy GP's.. the squeaks and rattles, etc..
  • the build quality of the grand prix isn't very bad. i haven't been in a Subaru so I can't comment on it, but yeah, the plastic dash on the GTP does feel a bit cheap. but you gotta remember, the GTP has a lot of options like the HUD display... but AWD and good handling is also something very valuable. but never make up ur mind on a car until u drive it first. go to the dealership and test drive it. i go test driving sometimes just for fun and to see the difference between cars...u'll learn a lot then. and make sure u go over bumps and everything.
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    According to a recent J.P.Power(?) survey, Buick Regal have a very low number of initial defects, with Chevy Impala not var away. GP have about the average number.

    Both Regal and Impala are built in Canada. The production quality at the Ontario(?) plant is better than at the Kansas(?) one, where GP and Intrigue are manufactured.

    Though, the difference is not so high, either between the above plants, nor between different cars in general. Practically all current cars have between 100 and 200 initial defects, i.e. one or two per vehicle is typical. Most of the numbers are in 125 to 175 range. Japanese models generally have less defects than American, but not so substantially.

    I read this survey, but do not remember where, as well as do not remember the exact numbers: it was several month ago, if not a whole year.
  • mkcomkco Posts: 65
    Unfortunately, my '01 GTP does not have a fold-down rear seat.
  • karlsu99karlsu99 Posts: 3
    I'm seriously considering replacing my leased Saturn with a Grand Prix GT this summer. (Saturn did me well for being in college, but now...) However, every review I've read has berated the GP for its interior materials, but otherwise like the car. Sitting in the car, the materials don't seem to bother me. I'm wondering if it's a long term issue. Has anybody had experiences with the durability of the interior materials in the long run? Should they really be an obstacle to purchasing a GP? Also, have there been any other longer-term ailments I should know of? By the way, my Saturn makes that gas tank noise too. Thanks for the input.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    I never had any issues with my GTP's materials during its 3-year lease.
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