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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005



  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    on the MotorWeek TV they said that the GTP Comp Edition would be under $30K.
  • orwoodyorwoody Posts: 269
    Thanks montanafan, I traded the GTP but went through my owners manual several times page by page(yeah I'm a owners manual geek when I get a new rig.) and never found anywhere that it specified an octane. It did refer me to check with my dealer for appropriate fuel for my location. The car ran great and apparently was not compromised.(no problems in well over 20k miles, dealer did all service and gave me much better than trade value even though I was getting my new rig about $250 over invoice.)

    ruski - I saw the Motorweek episode and remember they mentioned their impression for pricing. However when I look at what a loaded 2003 GTP is and what is added in the Comp G package.... I'm skeptical it'll stay under $30k. We should know in a few weeks. If a loaded 2004 GTP w/Comp G package can be had for under $30k I think Pontiac will really be onto something.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    The 2003 Pontiac GTP recently tested by The Cincinnati Enquirer listed at $30,300, and it did NOT have all available options...

    Just a thought.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    FWIW, just to be in the safe side, I'd go for premium fuel. It's about $0.20 more, or roughly $150 more a year. Over 7 years, that's $1000, still below what a new engine would cost...
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    My brother was at the Detroit auto show and told me that he was disappointed with the interior. It was an improvement over the previous one, but the competition has raised the bar.

    He said that most new mid-size cars out there make use of soft plastic everywhere, not selectively anymore. This selectivity is what turned me off about the Altima, among other things.

    I skipped the GP once for the interior materials once, although I've always liked its styling, handling and performance. The new one is even nicer inside and out and I was envisioning it as my future ride...

    I'll hold final judgment until I do a test drive myself though.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    They probably tested some special edition (for example Daytona series have always been considerably more expensive because of the Daytona decals)

    At $30K one could easily go for something more luxurious - Acura TL(-S), Infiniti G35...

    Is Pontiac getting the same disease that struck Volkswagen? (let's just make them more expensive and people will think that they are as good as Benzes)
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    Couldn't agree more with you.

    I am very fond of cars, but I can't convince myself to pay more than $30000 on a car out of the door.

    I want to buy more and more of a car for less and less, not the other way around. The last two cars I've bought were from GM, mostly because of the value I perceived in them, meeting my needs of performance for the cost I was willing to pay.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,092
    I read the Cincinnati article, too. It said that it was a "special edition". So it was listed as over $30K for the decals.

    I can only go by what the GM representatives told me at the auto show....that is a loaded GTP would come in well under $30K. Don't know if that includes the "comp package" or not, though.

    Looking at what GM has been doing the past 18 months or so, the "discounted purchase price" would probably be somewhere around $27K.

    Considering that they are still holding to "sticker" for an Accord around here and Camrys selling for over $30K for a V6 XLE, the GP GTP looks like a bargain.
  • orwoodyorwoody Posts: 269
    I think part of the problem is that GM(and others) have been offering rebates and discounts for so long, we've gotten used to the selling prices being considerably lower($3k-$7k) than the MSRP. The biggest question mark is if GM will/when offer any discounts/rebates on the new 2004 GP? A loaded(sunroof, leather, HUD..) 2003 GTP MSRP will be over $29k. Add the Limited Edition pkg and wheels and you are about $31k. However GM is giving a $3k rebate and most of our local dealers are also knocking off another $1k-$2k to get buyers in. Adding in any rebates form a GM credit card - one can swing a sweet deal.
    I'm guessing that GM won't offer any rebates on the new GP for the first 6 months.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    I guess you're right. Factoring in the rebates, discounts and haggling the GP should remain a good bang for our bucks, at least by year's end.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    The new 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix sedan will begin at $21,760 MSRP for the GT. The higher-powered Grand Prix GTP starts at $25,860 MSRP and the GTP equipped with the Competition Group suspension package will cost an additional $1395.

    Decent I think.
  • orwoodyorwoody Posts: 269
    I added some info on the Pontiac Grand Prix 2004 Redesign Questions & Comments forum.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    "Now, I've been one of the strongest supporters of the 3800 engine, but even I may have to admit it may be nearing the end of its remarkable 40-year lifespan.

    It has never been an aurally-pleasing engine. Given that this is a Pontiac, some exhaust note is part of the deal, and it's rough, raucous.

    Even the torque, usually this engine's strong point, seemed a bit overwhelmed by the Grand Prix's weight.

    The supercharged version is predictably stronger and shouldn't be affected by the thinner atmosphere, but even it runs out of puff at much over 4500 rpm."
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    To me the most disappointing thing I read was the accomodations for rear passengers.. How do you engineer a fairly large 3500lb 4 door sedan with cramped rear quarters?
  • orwoodyorwoody Posts: 269
    The article was interesting, however sitting in the back seat on the 2004 at the auto show, I thought it was better than the current GP. So "cramped" is sort of relative. I for one don't plan on spending much time in the back seat.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    Wonder if the epsilon based Grand Am won't end up having more space in the back.....

    Maybe Lutz approved the 2004 Grand Prix and is giving it a 3 year cycle. Maybe they will have an all new one by 2007.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    My question is this. I was also looking at a Mazda6. Does anyone here think that Toronto review was inaccurate, and if so why. Right now it looks as though I will test drive a GTP when they come out and keep waiting on the 6 Hatch!
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I read that review yesterday in the paper. I was surprised how negative it was.

    I think Pontiac should have made the 3800 an SE and the supercharged version a GT or GTP. Given the horsepower today's V6 sedans have, there is nothing GT about a 200 hp 3800 powered GP. I think GM needs to get a new 240hp+ ohc engine in that car pronto. That said, I still like the looks of the car and the interior is fine. Don't care about back seats as I don't sit in them. If they sell (as i suspect they will) the GT for the price of a 4 cyl Accord, it will sell fine.

    I will be taking a very close look next Monday at the Toronto Auto Show. Are you planning on going?
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    I will head there, not sure when yet..
    Back seat is a concern for me because I end up with adult clients/customers in there pretty frequently.
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