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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005

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  • I've owned a 99 Grand Am GT for 4 years and it is approaching 70K miles. The only money I've had to put into it is for maintenance items like brakes, tires and battery. I also had a few interior fixes under warranty. Other than that, it is a solid car with very good performance numbers (0-60 in less than 8 seconds).

    I've owned a 02 Chevy Avalanche for almost 1.5 years and it has 17K miles. The vehicle has been stellar. 285 HP, pulls my trailer like it isn't even there. Excellent design ideas for unique storage compartments, etc. Midgate down allows me to store 8' sheets of plywood, locked and dry. Midgate up allows me to tote around 6 adults in comfort. Any Japanese models that can do that? The only problem I've had is some moisture in one fog light. That's it.

    I think GM has come a long way, baby.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Dan165, sorry If I had you confused about the BMW thing. The GP since 1997 in GT or GTP has sporty intentions and in regular driving feels sporty but is NOT a sports sedan, drive it hard and you will see, esp not at 3500 lbs, FWD and 65/35 weight distribution. The 2004 is NOT A full redo, its a reskin, using the same W body chassis and drivetrain from 1997, that is fact. Yeah it is improved, but it ought to be, esp 7yrs later, the competition is alot more improved too. Yes it is a nice looker, just like the 1997 was.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    GMALLTHEWAY, my 2002 GTP has been perfect knock on wood and I would buy another if they had continued the coupe, so next time I will be look elsewhere, Despite my numerous 1997 GTP probs I still bought an 02 GTP, funny thing is that my 2002 GTP cost LESS then my 1997 one did.

    Replaced trunk latch
    soaked carpets, A/C leaking into the car, not under
    HVAC bearing failed
    Both headlights replaced due to moisture
    new trunk pistons
    alternator and waterpump went bad
    auto headlight sensor failed 3 dif x
    wiper motor recall
    right rear speaker went bad
    replaced blower motor
    AC delco battery only lasted 1 yr
    new valve coveor gaskets, oil leaking
    check engine light on, emissions problem fixed
    coolant leak, thermostat/gasket went bad
    Catalytic heat shield replaced was loose/rattling
    Tire rod ends loose, replaced under warranty only after major argument at dealership at only 30k miles.

    Thankgod this was all covered under warranty and extended warranty, otherwise I Loved the car

    Only knock was the cheap interior and somtimes loud/crude engine sound under high rpm from 3800, but great car and I bought another in 2002 figuring they go the the bugs out, great car
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Dindak, you are 100% right, I would always buy a GTP before I bought a camaccord, regardless of Toyota/honda supposedly better quality. That is what the warranty is for. Camaccord is too boring dul for me, Camry/avalon handle like an old man's car.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Oldcarguy58,

    Domesticsa and ameican cars have problems, domestics have more historically, but I don't think the imports are as great as the reviews report them to be and I know from owning a 2001 infiniti I30t, Very nice car, but it has also had it's share of problems. MOre then my GP's have had since December 2001.

    I just get sick and tired of these people that tell me that honda/toyota never break down and never have problems which is BS... they may have less problems, but they still do nevertheless. My friend is trading in his 2001 Accord, its going on its 2nd tranny and a myriad of CD/radio and electrical problems, yet its the perfect car right? He just had to spend $700+ on a ABS brake repair since he is now out of warranty and up to 40k miles on the '01. His lease is coming up. He is looking at a new GP, esp driving my MODDIFIED 2002, but I warned him they all don't drive that way, he! he!

    But the fact still remains that Honda had problems with it's auto trannies on 1998-2001 V6 Odysseys and other vehicles and even extended the warranty to like 6yr 100k? Toyota had the 3.0L V6 sludge problem which they tried to blame on consumer not changing the oil on time, but did at least extend teh warranty, so that was a nice gesture. Yet CR doesn't put on any HOnda/TOyota's on its Unreliable or used car list to avoid? WHy is that? I certainly would never buy a used 1998-2001 Honda or Toyota with the sludge 3.0l V6. TO each their own.

    I like both domestic and foreign and I own one of each.

    Consumere reports unfairly tested the new 240hp Accord, 240hp Altima and ONLY 200hp GP GT, they did NOT fairly use a GTP, yet that is ok? They claimed they couldn't obtain a GTP, yeah right. They said the same thing 3 yrs ago too. This test was done late last year. That was an unfair comparo.

    Yes a comparo between my friends 4banger accord and my GTP is unfair I agree. BUt I could NOT stand that annoying semi-rough 4 banger idle at a light in his 2001 accord, typical of 4 banger cars. V6 and V6 are much smoother. Everytime we had to pull out onto a highway in his 4 banger 2001 with 4 adults inside he had to floor it to 5000rpm + just to get decent power...
    loud and annoying. 4 banger accord is a great commuter car, not a great car to have 4 adults going out to dinner in. That is where the V6 is much better
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    It's a bit more than a reskin. The 3800 is now a series III and the suspension ect. is all different from what I understand. It's not an all new car but it's not just a reskin either. I prefer some carry over, all new cars usually mean some trouble. Many Japanese car makers do exactly the same thing including Honda.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Pontiac themselves claim the 2004 GP borrows 20% of its parts from the 1997-2003 generation. Yes it is an improvment over the 1997, but not enough for me esp when it is using the same 1997 drivetrain, my opinion. Yes some carry over is good. I wouldn't personally every buy a 1st yr car again. The 1998 GTP had 3 major improvements over the 1997, BOSCH ABS/Traction sensor which was more quiet/refined, Traction control and 2nd generation airbags. I should have waited until 1998, but was impatient and wanted to be the 1st on the block to have a 1997 when I did in October '96.

    Just like the 2004 Town Car/Crown Vic/Grand Marquis and Ford Mustang use the same chassis from 1978 !! But with major tweaks over the years. Most people don't know that !!

    BTW, is the Accord all new or not? I know the drivetrain is....
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Did they finally move the air intake on the 2004 GTP? On the 1997-2003 the airintake is right behind the Driver side headlight, real smart. At the drag strip I always run the car with the headlight off, more air up in there. Remember supercharged cars peform better in cooler temperature then hot humid air
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    The lights are one of the main weakpoints of the '97'03 GP... did they fix the lights for the 2004? haven't driven my company '04 at night yet...

    I switched the headlights in my 2002 GTP to EUROLITE Xenon cyrstal bulbs, typical 9007's... much brighter lights, NOT as good as HID, faxu HID, but better.

    Only $20.00 for the pair. The car looks much nicer at night. Best thing is that I didn't have to updgrade my wiring, though time will tell.

    I don't feel like paying the $500 to $1000 for a true HID upgrade system.

    These lights are near identical to the PIAA lights which are nearly 4 the price at $70 or $80
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Did they finally install a locking gas cap door on the 2004 GT? haven't had to get gas yet... My 1995 Aurora and now 2001 Infiniti I30t have locking gas cap doors

    The 1997-2003 have NO locking gas cap or door. I fixed that with a $9.99 STANT brand locking cap. Don't need any vandals stealing my 93 octane gas or worse dumping something bad in my tank to ruin my fuel injectors.

    I had someone actually pour sugar into my tank years ago and ruin fuel injectors/your name it. Big $$ to fix.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,367
    C'mon man, you supposedly have the thing in your driveway. Go look at it.

    2014 Cadillac ATS4 2.0T, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    Japanese brands have typically kept parts renewal of new models to below 40%, sometimes even less, whereas American ones often used to brag about the ratio of renovation. For instance, I remember DC's CEO bragging that the new Grand Cherokee had in common with the previous model just the parts in a bag he showed to the public.

    I wonder if the new GP being an evolutionary model has something to do with GM trying to improve quality.

    IMO, a move in the right direction.
  • orwoodyorwoody Posts: 269
    Per the Pontiac website they are offering $1000 rebate or low interest on the 2004 GP. Keep 'em coming!

    Always like most of the Grand Prixs:
    - College roomie had a '72 GP Coupe w/428 in Gold that was to die for.
    - Sister-in-Law won't give up her '76 GP Coupe and All the V8 power

    I really like the looks of the 97-03 but still can't decide what color was best.
     But I do think I like the 2004 in Black best. Now if I can just get GM to offer a few options I'd like and clean up a few faux pas with the interior. Well, maybe just maybe
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    has anyone seen the new 04 Grand Prix review on Edmunds? They kind of like it but then they found a fwe loose interior trim pieces.

    I'd get a 04 GTP, but the lack of auto-dimming rearview mirror makes me worry. What are the chances they will make it available next year?
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Ruski, A fully loaded 2003 Honda Odyssey a $30k+ vehicle doesn't have an auto dimming rear view mirror either, I believe certain models of the new Accord don't. For me my back window is tinted black on all my cars so it doesn't matter. The reviews on the 2004 GP have been mixed from what I have read, either good or bad.

    Just like they made ABS/Traction control a $600 option on the 2003 GP, yet it was std on every 1997-2002. They made the HUD an option on the 2003 GTP as well meanwhile it was std on the 2002 GTP. So much for progress? Just another way for GM to make more $$. Take std equipment away then charge for it as an option and keep the base price of the car the same or more. Gm isn't the only mfg that has done that.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Its a company 2004 GT and I do NOT get to keep it at home, its only for business use from my office when visiting clients, so theoretically it is not mine. Nice car yes, but definitely needs the extra 60hp esp on the highway with 4 adults. NO the gas cap is NOT locking as far as I know. IE the '97 was alot dif from the '96 where as I dont't notice as much of a dif from the '04 vs the '03 other then the new skin. Same drivetrain and W body platform from 1997. Though it is a little quieter and better handling and does stand out much nicer then the camaccordtaurus out there.l
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Rumor has it that the 2005 or 2006 GTP may get the 4.4L DOHC 280 hp V8 from the GXP Bonnie as an option, that might be worth buying one, even without a coupe..
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    "The example you show is a BRITISH car, sold in the UK. This is not relevant to an American car."

    Sure it is, because it will come here, most likely in the same form. How does an econocar car have a better interior than a 30,000 dollar performance sedan?

    "I don't think it fair to compare it to interiors of cars sold in Europe for far higher prices to a much more discriminating audience."

    "far higher prices"- show me its high, last i checked focus were staple commodity cars in europe

    "much more discriminating audience"- that one I don't get at all....do we not deserve to get the same decent products? more discriminating? hardly, its the other way around. we continually get fed these fisher price GM interiors and after awile you have to live with it because they won't fricking produce an interior that's worth the price of the car. People are dsicriminating, but we're forced to settle because the domestics lower the bar for interior quality and use homer apology tactics to get buyers to beleive they should expect less than this basic level quality cars like Honda routinely offer in their interiors.

    But then again, maybe you are right, a lot of Americans have embarrassingly low standards when it comes to what they will accept as transportation, and in a lot of the cars that sell in volume are fine examples.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Regfootball, ever since 1997 the WEAK point of the GP has been its cheap interior and so-so to avg reliability. as an owner of a a '97 and '02 GTP I can attest, the GP interior is "Fisher Price" CHEAP. The cheapest interior I hae ever sat in for a $28k MSRP car. The 2004 isn't much of an improvement other then better leather and nicer speedo cluster. The only GP that has anything going for it is the GTP version an it's 260 horses, even that engine is loud and unrefined compared to the foreign competition. The 3.5 Nissan and 3.0 honda engines arer much more refined then then 3800. The Accord interior is just as nice as my Infiniti interior. Only knock on the accord is its UGLY rear end sedan styling.

    If pontiac put the 4.4L 280hp V8 engine with the accord type interior in the 2004 GTP they would have a true winner !!! Pontiac keeps wondering why it's sales have dropped for 2 or 3 yrs in a row now...

    Tehy call the 2004 a new GP when it uses the 1997 W body and drivetrain with minor tweaks here and there to the suspension . The 2004 is only a stopgap. The 1997 was the last truly NEW GP.

    I only bought the 2002 GTP, because of the price... I paid LESS for my 2002 GTP coupe then my 1997. The solara and accord coupe were too small for me with not enough power. As we all know the 3800 is very cheap and easy to modify to 300 horse.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    You two must not have kids. Fisher Price is NOT cheap. Fisher Price toys are premium, top of the line items. They command a premium and get it. Fisher Price seems expensive for what it is, but is VERY durable and stands up to abuse. In the long run, one Fisher Price toy will generally outlast three to four cheapies.

    Also, Fisher Price stuff is simple, the average audience, after all, is three to eight year olds! Needless complexity and stuff that will break is out, simple fun is in. My Impala would come far closer to being Fisher Price than any complicated, busy Pontiac interior with all its "gee whiz" factor stuff...(the latest example being the shifter thingy on the steering wheel, instead of being on the shifter where it belongs--like other cars).

    So why do you two call the GP interior Fisher Price? If it were, I, for one, would consider that a compliment.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    evandro : Definitely a move in the right direction. Re-inventing the wheel every few years is part of the reason US based companies had so many issues with new models.

    gunit : Same engines/ transmissions in the 04 Accords, just tweaked.

    gunit : With the Bonny on it's last leg, the GP is bound to get the 4.4L.

    ruski : I can deal with a loose part of trim (always easy to fix). I can't put up with rattles, squeaks and reliability issues.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Pretty much what I expected given what I see at GM these days..

    http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/08/pf/autos/bc.autos.durability/inde- x.htm?cnn=yes
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,581
    The GM information recently released on the Bonne GXP is now that it will basically have a version of the 4.6 (not a 4.4 variant as previously announced) Northsar that looks essentially like the Seville SLS's - similar HP/TQ, but premium fuel is specified. Odd, since Caddy has been specifying regular for a while now.

    Link to GM announcement:

    http://media.gm.com/division/2004_prodinfo/pontiac/bonneville/ind- ex.html

    Cheers,
    - Ray
    Interested in seeing how this GXP model will perform. . .
  • garywgaryw Posts: 116
    I was looking at a new '03 GT and the sticker had a "premium light package". What is that...the dealer ship had no clue. Is it better headlights?

    Thanks...
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Usually means more lights in more places inside the car (under the hood ect), theater dimming features and inside door end lights.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    I would like to say all car companies have their problems with cars and no Toyota and Honda do have their problems. So I do not think Japanese cars are unbreakable.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    <<<So why do you two call the GP interior Fisher Price? If it were, I, for one, would consider that a compliment>>

    JohnclineII, sorry to be off topic !! I have kids, and fisher price strollers are garbage,I'm a Peg Perego, Maclaren and now bug a boo kind of guy for that stuff. Every fisher Price toy I have had has fallen apart, but that is apt to happen with young ones. and for the last time the GP interior is cheap and not up to the competitions standards. I love my now departed '97GTP and now '02 GTP coupe for their semi sporty intentions and great torque but I certainly didn't buy it for its interior. The Leather is more like pleather...thangod they improved that for '04. Sit in a new accord, then sit in the GP you will see the big diff. If Honda could only make their new Accord Sedan with the COUPE body I would trade my 2002 GTP in an instant. But I will see in 2006 what is avalable.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    Dindak,
    When Honda went to their NEW Accord for 2003 they put in a 5 spd auto, the previous generation '98-'02 had only a 4spd aut which was problematic when mated to the V6, Honda ext the warranty on 1999-2001 auto trannies in Odysseys in other vehicles? maybe the 5 spd corrected this? Good guess. Sorry about the confusion.

    Roughly only 20% of Accords are sold with the V6, which is similar to how many GP's are sold with the supercharged engine !!
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    <<ruski : I can deal with a loose part of trim (always easy to fix). I can't put up with rattles, squeaks and reliability issues.>>

    DIndak,
    The 1995 Aurora was known for loose trim pieces as I later found out, easy to fix but annoying on a $33k car in 1995 !! even the dealer told me about circa 1997. Esp the moulding a round the rear window. The W bodies of 1997-2003 are known for rattles, squeaks and reliability issues but are IMPROVED from the 1988-1996 W bodies thankgod , hopefully they have even better fixed this for '04, only time will tell. My 1997 GTP was a rattlebox, the usual culprit in 1997-2003 GP is the door panel clips coming loose. In the dash too. The intrigue as well had it share of W body related problems too. But overall a decent platform. Knock on wood my 2002 GTP is so far rattle free !!! only 8k miles.
  • gunitgunit Posts: 469
    The bonny should have gotten a northstar derived V8 in 1997, the yr they dropped its 3800 in the GP. They gave the Aurora a northstar V8 back in 1995. for me there is no need to spend $5k more for the same drivetrain in a bigger slightly more refined car AKA bonny which isn't that much bigger/roomier, in fact I think it has the same 16 cu ft trunk as the GTP...., my opinion. Now if the V8 had been offered in the Bonny I may have already had one instead of the GTP. Pontiacs & Buicks flagship sedans should have more then just a 3800 V6, Olds Flagship got a V8 back in '95. We'll stay tuned and see what GM does... I just hope that GM has fixed the northstar oil consumption/burning problem which usually doesn't start noticeably occuring until after your factory warranty is up, ha! We'll see...
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