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Mitsubishi Galant

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  • Guess you cleared that up! I am going to pick up my SL on Friday!
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    I'm sure the Maxima is a better car, but I'm also sure noleasegalant is going to pay a lot more for the car too. I don't quite understand why he was even cross shopping these cars. The 03 Galant is in a totally different size and performance class from the Maxima. If money was no object, I would pick the nicer more expensive car too!
  • No particular reason why; I just narrowed my choices between a Nissan and Mitsubishi. Also I don't mind paying a little more $$$$ for quality.
  • The Galant is a decent car, but the resale value really ruins the value equation. I paid $17K for my 2002, and today it is only worth 8K as a trade. My wife's 2001 Saturn L200, another car known for poor resale, is still worth $10K, despite a lower purchase price and an extra year of depreciation.

    My next car will be a Honda or Toyota, I just refuse to get stung like this again.
  • You only paid $17K for your 2002!!!!! What trim and options did you get??
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    The 04 Galant info is up on Mitsu's website. My buddy, who is the shop foreman for the Mitsu dealer, drove the new 4 cylinder ES and was impressed with the power of the MIVEC engine. He said it was quite a bit faster then the old engine.

    Here's the link: http://www.mitsubishicars.com/galant/index.html
  • I had a 1999 ES V6 myself and it took off like the wind! I'm a little disappointed in how they made the 04 body. I liked the BMW look of the previous models, which is one of the reasons I'm a Nissan man now.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Car and Driver tested the new Galant 4cyl at 9.2 to 60, not bad, but not class leading.

    Motor Trend has gotten a similar time for the Camry (they've tested the 4cyl/auto twice, one ran 9.2 and the other 9.5), and quicker times for Accord and Altima.

    What are the EPA ratings for the new Galant 4?

    I am hoping to take advantage of Mitsubishis test drive offer soon, so, with a bit of luck, I'll be able to comment on the cars dynamics more explictly.

    ~alpha
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    According to Mitsu's site, the EPA rating for the four cylinder is 23/30. Not bad considering my 02 Lancer 2.0 liter automatic was rated at 24/30 (it increased in 03), but it's definitely lower then the Accord and Camry.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I test drove a Galant ES (no options) over a pretty varied 11 miles. Overall, a nice package, but not superior to the class leaders. And yes, looks are subjective, but exterior of DE/ES/LS not nearly as peculiar or disjointed as the GTS, and this car looks better in person (High rear-end, though) than in photos.

    When I have more time, I will certainly be commenting with my detailed impressions. The car is definitely much more akin to Toyota's Camry than Honda's Accord.

    Time will tell if this new approach works for Mitsubishi.
    ~alpha
  • I test drove the '04 Galant ES model 4 cyl. 160 hp - and results are not that convincing as i'm expecting. The trunk is really small as compared to their 00-03 models w/ no folding rear seats. Engine is not that bad at 4 cyl. 160 hp but it's quite noisy bec. of their Mivec engine designs - I've spoke w/ their salesman and the reason why it's noisy bec. of the pads they installed under the car hood that acc. to them, it's kinda more thinner than the old models BUT it's fire proof!!! I don;t know how the V6 engine sounds - but in totality, i would prefer the V6 LS or GTS models bec. both exterior & interiors are well designed and far more better than the Altimas, Camry & Accords and a little bit similar to the Maximas. This '04 Galant is surely competitive among the other leading mid-size sedans!!!!It's more roomy, heavier, stable, well-designed and a little bit cheaper than the leading brands in this category(midsize sedans).
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Wow. Two of your comments were my major issues with the car. My impressions overall:

    1) The lack of split folding rear seats is a major detriment to this vehicle, whose trunk is 1.3 cubic feet smaller than its predecessor, and smaller than the trunks of many smaller competitors, at 13.3 cu. ft. How can a car this big have such a small trunk. But, silver lining: cleverly, Mitsu chose NOT to use gooseneck hinges, but rather, the more sophisticated design which does not infringe on capacity.

    2) The MIVEC 2.4L 4 feels decently peppy, and offers good power, but is SIGNIFICANTLY noisier than the Accord and Camry 2.4L engines, while returning 1-2 MPG fewer in city and 3-4 fewer in highway travel, according to EPA estimates. If you dont rev above 4000 RPM, you might not notice the extra noise, as this is when it becomes obtrusive. Unfortuantely, due to the MIVEC design, this is when the engine reaches its peak torque and starts to feel alive. Midrange power borders on impressive, and the transmission works well with the engine, delivering very smooth, appropriate shifts. The vehicle feels a bit pokey out of the gate, such as from a standstill at a stoplight, an impression that I didnt feel from the Accord and Camry, however. Overall, an improvement over the last generation non-MIVEC 4 cyl.

    3) The front seats are firm and supportive, and felt excellent in my short trip. I got the impression that the comfort wouldn't fade. The seat is better than the Camry's, which suffers from a too-short lower cushion. However, the Camry offers standard 8 way power drivers seat, where as the Galant's is 6 way manually adjustable.

    4) The ride is good, quite smooth, but felt somewhat floaty and decidedly Camry-like, especially compared to the previous generation Galant. Handling is a direct hit at the needs of 99% of buyers: NO SURPRISES, just roll and understeer. Steering is not up to Accord levels, but is decent overall, although on-center is vague, perhaps even more so than in the Camry, though I prefer the Mitsubishi's weighting.

    5) My test-drive car did not have ABS. The pedal felt somewhat spongy intially, though fairly firm through its travel, which seemed a bit long, as in the drum equipped Camry LE.

    6) The 16 inch wheel covers are very ugly, and do nothing to enhance the look of this car. The alloys that are part of the Diamond Package seem worth the price of that package by themselves, given the cheapness exuded by the wheel covers. Tires are a nice size, I personally like the extra tread width.

    7) I found the interior well constructed, and pleasingly designed. Since my drive was at dusk, I had the lights on, and I enjoyed the bright blue instrumentation on black background. The dash is not overwrought as it is in the Endeavor, and I feel it hits its mark. The steering wheel however, is textured rather.... interestingly, and I'm not convinced.

    OVERALL: This is a well conceived effort, and if Mitsu can boost resale (by not offering heavy discounts and significant fleetage), will prove a good choice if reliability is strong. Car and Driver correctly summed it up - the Galant does not do refinement, isolation, and comfort quite as well the Camry, nor does it do precision engineering and an involving driving experience as well as the Accord, but it is less expensive, won't be a dime a dozen, and offers a pleasing overall mainstream drive.

    The car's major caveats are its engine noise and lowish MPG, small trunk/no folding rear seat, strange steering wheel, and unfortunate wheel covers. I also cant comprehend Mitsubishi's disinclusion of side chest and front and rear curtain airbags as an option, since Accord, Camry, Altima, 6, and Passat all offer this ideal combination of side impact protection.

    ~alpha

    PS- My test drive was of a no-option ES 4cyl, which stickered, including destination charge, at $19,592.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    I have to agree with you on the steering wheel and the wheel covers. The hubcaps are so plain, boring, and downright ugly. Heck, the Lancer ES hubcaps look a lot better. The steering wheel's surface feels rough and nasty in my hands. The Endeavor has the same wheel. Way to industrial grade in its feel. The first upgrade would be a leather cover! And I too am disappointed in the no fold down rear seat. What were they thinking??? The fuel economy I can live with. My Lancer is averaging 3 mpg better then the city rating and that's the only type of driving it sees, so I expect the Galant to do better then its rating.

    I'm a bit surprised to hear about the engine noise. I'm wondering if you mean only when the engine is pushed hard? My Lancer has an extremely quiet engine under light acceleration and on the highway (Car and Driver compared its quiet idle to that of a Lexus), but it does get buzzy and boomy when you rev it past 4k. Under most conditions though, it impresses me with how smooth and quiet it is. I remember this characteristic in the 00 Galant that I test drove as well. If the Mivec four is the same way (which it ought to be unless the new frame transmits more noise), I'll be satisfied. I'll have to test drive one so I can check out this new engine!
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The MIVEC sounded louder and less refined than the 4s in the Camry and Accord at anything greater than 4000 RPM, which I dont really consider "pushing it". The Camry and Accord seem quieter at full throttle than the MIVEC at this RPM. Like I said, the Galant feels a bit pokey off the line, so 4000 in first isnt that much of a stretch. The car felt peppy if you stab the accelerator hard enough to upshift at about 4250 RPM, and kept pressure consistent until reaching your target speed.

    ~alpha
  • I'm not sure if I'm on the right board or not, so if I'm not, please let me know.

    The problem: I leased a 2001 Galant, met my (now) husband a few months later, married into the military a year after that, and now we're stationed in Korea (the lease is not up until '04). Due to the cretins at MMCA we are unable to get out of the lease even though we are living on the other side of the world per military orders. The car is in stateside storage at our expense because we were unauthorized to ship a car here and were unable to "sublease" it out to family or friends prior to moving (as an aside, The Soldiers' & Sailors' Act does not cover car leases only apartment leases).

    What we are doing: We are continuing to pay on the car even though it is in storage (to boot, MMCA gave us extensive problems about storing the car, too--like we had a choice in the matter) and we'll have to pay out of pocket to fly home next year just to turn the car in at the termination of the lease (we are stationed here in Korea until 2006). Just so you get a true picture of MMCA, they wanted us to sign over to them a full power of attorney for the entire time the car would be in storage in case we defaulted on the lease in any way shape or form (in the lease agreement, they already HAVE that authority)--after consulting JAG, they backed off. Unbelievable.

    My questions:
    1.) Can I tow the car in and not be penalized? I ask this because it will have been sitting in storage for a year-and-a-half by the time we turn it in.
    2.) When do I actually turn the car in? I leased it in October of 2000, it is a 48 month lease, so do I turn it in the same month that I bought it?--October 2004?

    I'd really appreciate any information that I can get on these questions and any other comments or advice would be great, too.

    Chris
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Wow! Someone here may have some suggestions for you, but I'd also check out the discussions on our Finance, Warranty & Insurance board. You might want to create a new discussion for this one.

    Good luck - I hope it all works out for you.
  • Some highlights from that article:
    1. "The four-cylnder has the coarse sound of an aged tractor".
    2. "Nice as the four-speed automatic is, it's behind the competitive curve".
    3. "Otherwise, the Galants seem unusually quiet inside for midlevel cars".
  • Well after constant brake problems, rattles and now a busted axle halfshaft (pothole), I have gotten rid of my 2002 Galant ES.

    At 38,700 miles the car, no longer under warranty, felt looser than my wife's 2001 Saturn L200 which has 50,000, or the Nissan Sentra I traded to buy the Galant two-years-ago, which at the time at 84,000.

    As predicted, resale value was horrid, and I was only able to replace this P.O.S. because of the very aggress rebates on Mazda Proteges.

    I will never buy a Mitsubishi again, no matter how attractive the price or the offer.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    I had looked at the Protege also, but ended up buying the Sentra. Wish the gas mileage was better, my only complaint actually. Really prefered the P5, but they weren't as aggressive to sell it.

    The Sandman :-)
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    May I ask why you would trade in your Galant after wasting $1000 on totaling replacing the problematic brake system, the only major issue you had with the car? And to make matters worse you traded a low resale car for another! That to me is like throwing money right out the window. Sounds to me like your desire for a new car simply took over.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    I went down to the dealer today and sat in an unlocked 04 Galant ES. I was definitely impressed. The seats front and rear are very comfortable and the legroom in back is amazing. The doors closed with a more pleasing sound then the last gen Galant and there are nice wide flat armrests in each door. The beltline is a little high in the rear seat area which could feel claustrophobic for shorter people. The interior design is pleasing (except for the rough steering wheel surface). The trunk is plenty big and it has the articulating hinges that don't infringe on luggage space. I still wish you could fold down the rear seat though. The front end styling looks better in person then in photos, but the rear looks a little too plain and square shaped. Overall, I liked the car better then I thought I would.
  • My Galant has had many problems over the two years I owned it. The brakes were the only one that was directly related to safety or performance (the low MPG was caused by brake friction). The car also had many rattles, had problems with the driver's door skin separating from the impact beam (repaired twice under waranty and very loud when broken) and the dashboard moved visibly when pushed. Four dealers insisted that these problems were normal for my car's age, but I've owned many cars, and NEVER has one felt this loose after only 38,700 miles.

    As for resale on the Protege, well had I bought a Protege in 2001 that car would have been worth $900 more than my Galant was, at a $2000 lower purchase price. The low resale on this Protege is something I simly can't avoid as the hit I took on the Galant meant that I couldn't spend more than $12,000 on a car, and I didn't want to buy used.

    Finally, I'll be getting the $1000 back from Mitsubishi in small claims court. This was an issue from day one with the Galant, and by failing to repair it, Mitsubishi violated the terms of the warranty.

    Mazda does things differently. I had a 1994 Mazda 323, and after 60,000 miles the AC stopped working; bad condensor. The car was 10,000 miles out of warranty, but the dealer made a quick phone call and then the Mazda area rep simply stated "Our cars don't do that" and performed the repair at Mazda's expense. I kept that an additional 24,000 miles and when I sold it, it was as tight, rattle-free and solid as the day I bought it.
  • To lawman1967 - just like to ask regarding your 2002 ES Galant. I just bought a 2002 ES Galant(certified pre-owned) 4 mths. ago from a reliable car dealer-at Cerritos Nissan, ....I am also experiencing some brake problems on my right front wheels. When it gets hot, there's a squeeling sound but my mechanic told me brake pads are still 50%good & adviced me to replace them w/ a ceramic pads which will cost around $90.00 per pair for the front brakes. Rotors are not to be resurfaced since this will only cause a major problem in the future,better replace them rather resurfacing them. My total mileage now is 31,000 and do you think I will also exprerience the same problems that you had before?? Or maybe it depends on the road conditions you're driving?? Am residing here in Orange county and actually, my '02 ES Galant drives fast at 110 mph & powertrain is so strong. I'm also planning to trade in my '02 sometime next year for an '04 Galant LS or GTS since this V6 3.8L 230hp has a positive review as compared to the DE & ES models. My second option is Nissan Maxima and 3rd is Honda Accord Coupe and last-Camry V6 XLE. The Mivec engines on '04 Galant DE & ES models are so noisy even at idle position - maybe bec. of the support pads under the car hood - which is less thinner than the previous models BUT acc. to their salesman, it is "fire proof" as protection to your engine.
    What can you say on this?? Please give me some insights too !!!
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    of the XLE V6 Camry, you should look at the SE V6.
    The cars you are looking at are very different in nature- the Accord coupe, a 30K Nissan, and the very vanilla XLE V6 Camry? If you knew youd want the 04 Galant why did you purchase an 02? I'm afraid you might take a hit on such a transaction.

    ~alpha
  • after my Galant experience, I cannot in any way, shape or form recommend another Mitsubishi product. Its not the car itself, even Mercedes can make a lemon, but rather the way the company handled it. I made them aware, in writing, of my brake problems and VERY poor MPG from the beginning, and even after four sets of pads and two sets of rotors, with all wear only on the right side, they still insisted nothing was wrong wiht my car. That is inexcuseable, and they have lost my business forever.

    rtolentino2, I like new cars, so I'd cross off the Maxima right away. The Maxima is a class above the other cars you mentioned, and if you are comfortable buying use I have little doubt that you will enjoy driving it more than the others. For my money, I'd get either the Accord or the Camry. I'd check out Subaru too, and if the Mazda 6 has been reliable (haven't really looked into it) I'd put that on my list as well. At least with Accord and Camry, you KNOW you are buying top quality, and when you do eventually trade, you won't get hosed on th resale value.

    As for your 02 Galant, I'd have the dealer run the car's service history. If the pads are worn and making noise at 30K and they are the original pads, I'd say you are doing fine. Mine wore out at 7K, which is a very different story.

    I had no complaints about how the Galant went down the road. I too found the car (4 cylinder ES) fast, VERY quiet, comfortable and stable, and like many here, I also considered it one of the best-looking cars on the road when I bought it. I drive a lot of miles (38,700 in 23 months) and except for the hassles of frequent trips to the dealer, they were very comfortable miles. My friend has a 2003 Toyota Avalon, and honestly, my Galant was every bit as smooth and quiet as his car. I got rid of it because I just couldn't stand worrying about how expensive the next problem would be now that the warranty had expired, I still liked the car itself, though I had come to hate my particular (lemony) example.

    By the way, the Protege is quite a blast to drive. Its nowhere near as luxurious (crank windows even), but it feels much better screwed together (in Japan, by Japanese workers using 97% Japanese parts).
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    See what Edmunds thinks of the 2004 Galant. Read the article in the Helpful Links box on the left side of the page.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    I can understand your disgust. I just don't know whether I would have gone about it the same way. The Protege's resale has tumbled rapidly, especially since all the rebates kicked in. Mazda's resale isn't any better then Mitsubishi's, except for the Miata. And then you went from a well equipped car to a car with manual everything?? The DX model takes the hardest hit at resale time. If your motive was cheaper payments due to financial troubles, I could understand. But three years down the road, you will be in just as bad of shape come trade in time once you are tired of the loud firm highway ride and lack of amenities. I would have kept the Galant and got my money's worth out of the solid reliable powertrain. There is no doubt in my mind it would have got you to and from work reliably for at least 150k.

    p.s. Experiences like yours do make me pause in considering Mitsu cars built in Normal, Illinois. There build quality just doesn't seem as good as the Japanese built ones. My 02 Lancer has over 30k and is tight, solid, and rattle free. No dealer repairs at all and mine was bought after the car was only on the market for 2 months tops. Mine was built in Japan like the Protege.
  • is actually irrelevant on this car purchase. I bought the car so cheaply with the rebates that the difference between trade in and post-rebate purchase price was less than $6,000, and that is AFTER all taxes and license. The purchase price of the car was only $11,200 after rebates, so even if resale value went into the toilet, I still won't lose much.

    It is also not an issue because by the time I move overseas in two years, the car will already have close to 40,000 miles on it. Even a Civic with 40,000 miles will take a hit, and while resale would be much better, purchase price would also be $4,000 higher.

    Finally, if the car is reliable, which based on my past Mazda experience and Edmunds I suspect it will be, then I won't trade it in so quickly. I actually like this size of car best. When I win the lottery I'll probably buy a 3 series BMW, rather than a 7, because its just more my kind of ride.

    The Lancer would have been on my list as it too has decent rebates and a good reputation, but my taste for Mitsubishi just won't allow it now.
  • Resale values if purchased at same time and driven same amount. Invoice price is using 2003 models, as 2002 data is no longer posted on Edmunds. If The 2003 invoice on the Galant doesn't look appreciably different than it did last year, perhaps $200 higher. I looked at LX model Proteges last year as well, and those invoices are also only up by about $100 or $200 for 2003.

    Both cars are priced invoice + destination charges on Edmunds equipped as I bought them (no options on the fully-loaded Galant ES, and the 6-disc CD, AC and cargo net on the Protege DX), and are figured exactly the same way on Kelly Blue Book for trade-in value. Not coincidentally, for 2003 models, they both have the same customer and dealer incentives as also coincidentally, both are being replaced by all-new models for 2004.

    Finally, both cars are computer on Kelly Blue Book in "Good" condition for the Los Angeles, CA area "Trade In" value.

    Invoice Price including destination charge:
    2003 Mitsubishi Galant ES 4 Cylinder
    $17,834
    *Mitsubishi offers a $2500 customer and a $1500 dealer rebate which reduces price to $13,834*

    2003 Mazda Protege DX w/ 6-disc CD, AC, Cargo net
    $15,160
    *Mazda offers a $2500 customer, $500 dealer and $500 graduate student rebates (I got all three), which reduces price to $11,660

    Purchase price as equipped is $2,200 cheaper for the Protege than the Galant, based on $3,500 Mazda rebates and $4,000 Mitsubishi rebates. My actual purchase equations were different. There was no rebate on the Galant in late 2001 and $1,500 on the Protege, making my purchase price differential closer to $6,500.

    Trade-In Value in "Good" condition.

    2002 Mitsubishi Galant ES with 38,700 miles $6,590
    2002 Mazda Protege DX with 38,700 miles $6,506

    2003 Mitsubishi Galant ES with 19,350 miles $8,835
    2003 Mazda Protege DX with 19,350 miles $7,855

    Had I bought a Protege last year instead of a Galant, my resale would only have been $84 less, but my purchase price would have been $6,500 less had I bought a Protege in December 2001. More importantly, it was the way Mitsubishi refused to honor their warranty that made me sell my car, so trade-in would have been a non-issue.

    Even if buying today, the Galant costs $2,200 more and only retains $1,000 more value.

    This is just a mathematical analysis. This time around, I wanted to get rid of my lemon and pay as little out of my pocket as possible. The choices weren't which is the best car at a given price, but rather what was the absolute cheapest new car that I could tollerate driving for the next 3 years. Had I wanted to finance, I would have just bought an Accord or Camry, or if I was willing to lease, a BMW 325i. I wanted to just write a check, so the choices were, after all incentives were figured out, Hyundai Accent, Kia Rio, Toyota Echo and Mazda Protege. It was an easy choice.
  • Selling a car after only two years is something I try very hard NOT to do. I kept my last car, a 1997 Nissan Sentra, for 5 years, and my car before that, a 1994 Mazda 323, for four years (wife drove after I bought the Sentra). Here is the resale value on 1999 model Galants and Proteges, equipped as close to my cars as possible, with 80,000 miles, which is about where my cars are after five years. Both again listed in "Good" condition for the Los Angeles, CA area in Kelly Blue Book.

    1999 Mitsubishi Galant ES, 80K miles $3,865
    1999 Mazda Protege DX, 80K miles $3,945

    Funny how an economy car can consistently be so close in value to a much more expensive mid-size come resale time.
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