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Toyota Prius (First Generation)

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  • chasfoschasfos Posts: 3
    http://www.toyotadealer.com/fordham/index.html

     search toyota website under prius dealers.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Don't look for a manual tranny any time soon. One of the reasons the Prius gets the emissions ratings is does is because of the CVT. When a gas engine is running during shift points, you increase emissions. This is why many of the new Toyota products don't come in a manual any more. Our 4.7 liter V8 in the Sequoia and Tundra qualify as a ULEV engine but wouldn't if they were available in a manual.
  • I just wanted to let curious Prius people how well my Prius is performing in this wintery winter. As you may know, we here in the Northeast have been hit by yet another major snow event. Where I live in Connecticut, we only had about 12-20 inches of snow, but other parts of New England have had considerably more. Although we've been hit with a lot of snow all winter long, this car handled itself like a pro. At no time did I feel any slipage. It's wheels gripped the snowy roads better than any car I've driven. I will keep you posted as all eyes are on the West Coast as it too may become our next Nor'Easter. THINK GREEN! Spring is on her way!
  • juryjury Posts: 4
    Hello All,

    I'm looking to sell my gas pig Jeep Wrangler for a smaller more environmentally friendly car. I really love my Jeep but am starting to feel bad about having two gas pigs in the family ( my wife drives a Sequoia ).

    I'm considering a Honda Civic 4dr EX over the Prius and here are my reasons. The Honda gets 32/39 miles per gallon with an automatic and a 127 hp gasoline engine. It also comes with CD player and sunroof for about $3000 less dollars than the Prius. The Honda uses a tried and true gasoline engine that I will most likely be able to drive for 200k or more miles.

    With all of this going for the Honda, I'm wondering if anyone can tell me why I should get the Prius instead? I live in Georgia were the A/C will be used often. I will also have to drive on mountain roads as I am an avid mountain biker.

    Thanks for you insight ( no pun intended ).
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    The Prius is not for everyone. It is for those who want the cleanest burning vehicle on the road short of a pure electric car. It is for those who want great gas mileage (although don't make this your only factor in the purchase). It is for those who want a cutting edge vehicle.

    The Prius not only comes with a long warranty, it comes with your first three years of maintenance paid for by Toyota. It is a very roomy and comfortable car. It has ABS (which I don't think the Civic does).

    If the bulk of your driving is in town and stop and go and you place a premium on being environment ally friendly, take a good look at the Prius.

    I will also mention one thing about your Sequoia. While it is a gas hog, the emissions rating is extremely good. It is rated as a ULEV engine. This is the same level as the Honda Insight. The Prius is an SULEV which produces 75% less harmful emissions.
  • I'm not a Toyota sales person nor do I earn commission on any Prius sales, yet I am constantly advocating in favor of purchasing/leasing this car over the conventional gasoline engine for one VERY IMPORTANT reason: our future. The choices you make today will effect generations to come. I do not believe that the Prius is the "end all" in automotive technology, but I do believe that if we do not put faith in this eviromiracle-of-a-vehicle, we will limit the number of possibilities in the future. Think of this car as a prototype of cars yet to be. Toyota believes in the future so much, that they have put millions of dollars on the line to voice the direction they are headed. Through our capitalistic "world economy", I am sure this will spark other car makers to produce equally evirofriendly cars. BUT ONLY IF WE SHOW INTEREST. As one technology builds upon another, we will one day be able to produce a vehicle that profits both the environment and the company who creates it. It is not out of the question and the Prius will surely lead the way. No, you don't buy the Prius for "power", for the Prius possesses power unmatched by any of today's vehicles. Its power is not in it's horsepower, but rather its wisdom. I hope you choose your next vehicle with the future in mind. Keep it Green! :)
  • paul34bpaul34b Posts: 33
    Ok, I picked up my Prius on Jan 24. Two weeks ago the buzzer sounded for my brakes and I had to have my new vehicle brought to the dealership. They have had it since as I am told the hydraulic brake booster needed to be replace. Since it needed to be ordered (from California) it would take a while to get to Maine. So far the dealer has had my car in the shop 1/2 the lenght of time I have owned it. Does anyone know of any problems regarding brakes? I hope this is not something of things to come or I will be very upset. Maybe I should have listen to my mother and bought a VW.
  • casinoopcasinoop Posts: 2
    Hi everyone-
    This is a CAUTION regarding the kind of oil you use at your regularly scheduled maintance procedures. We recently took our Prius for it's 7500 mile service to a large local Toyota Dealer who claimed to be very familiar with servicing them. I wanted to make sure they would use 5W30 oil as the manual specifies (for GOOD REASON) and was told "we always use 10W30 -- it's plenty good enough". Now, I have had mucho experience with the difference in mileage between 5W30 and 10W30 oil in several cars, and insisted upon 5W30. They reluctantly (and condencendingly) agreed, and the car has produced the same excellent mileage (44-52 mpg overall) as before. The lesson is: If you don't want a sudden and significant (and mysterious) degradation in gas mileage in your Prius, INSIST ON THE DEALER USING 5W30 MOTOR OIL AT SERVICING.

    Grant Calkins, Camarillo, CA
    CasinoOp@worldnet.att.net
  • praaggspraaggs Posts: 1
    Comments on a few of the posts I read:

    5-speed: The Prius's CVT(continuously variable transmission) is better than an automatic and a manual transmission. We have beaten both types of vehicles with comparable engine power off of the line many times, simply because the engine NEVER REALLY SHIFTS! So you don't lose the power in shifting.

    This car is NOT for people who want a Sports Car.

    This car IS for people who want practicality, FUN, and a chance to change the automotive industry forever. This car is for people who want to feel good about driving a car and save money on gas doing it.

    This car promotes driving according to gas mileage, not speed. You find yourself accelerating slowly and decelerating slowly, not wanting to race all the way to a light, only to have to "slam on it" and stop just to have to start up again. This ends up making you drive safer and give you the time to NOTICE THE WORLD as you drive by it.

    This car makes you wonder why regen braking hasn't been used before, and gives you a whole new perspective on driving.

    You find a new joy in sneaking up on people in parking lots because they can't hear you coming. The looks and stares you get, make you get noticed even more. Here in IOWA, we are one of 2 Prius owners in our city that we know of. It has handled the winter well, averaging over 30 mpg since November, with all of the cold(below freezing), snow and warming up we needed to do and all of the highway driving. When the outside temp gets up to 40F, the fuel efficiency improves to 45mpg easily.

    Heater& AC: Yes, if you continuously run Heat and AC on High, the engine will stay on. You will notice this at intersections when the engine shuts off. If you turn on the heat/ac the engine will turn on, this helps you realize that you don't really need it on High all of the time.

    If you like your fan on HIGH a lot, the Prius is not for you.

    The PRIUS IS JUST PLAIN FUN!
  • I just picked up my Prius, and so far love it. Cliffy1 mentioned the Prius comes with your first three years of maintenance paid for by Toyota. This was never mentioned when I purchased
    the car. Is this regional or is it for everyone? I was also told that Toyota would send me a
    certificate that can be used for the $2000 tax credit. Does anyone know more about this?
    Any information would be appreciated. Thanks
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    There is nothing you need to do to get the maintenance covered. If you look in your maintenance book, you will notice that everything listed in the blue boxes have an asterisk next to it. Look at the bottom of the page and you will see that those items are covered under the new car warranty. Its a pretty complete coverage program.

    I have no idea about the tax credit issue.
  • jdarcyjdarcy Posts: 8
    It seems to me most Prius owners are making a political statement than a practical one because of the 7000-10000 price difference over an Echo. Isn't the Echo more economical in hwy. driving?
    Lets hope the government doesn't distort the market with tax credits. Whenever something is subsidized either directly or indirectly, the result is price increases equal to or in excess of the subsidy. The consumer loses by having higher sales/licensing taxes imposed and even worse if their tax situation diminishes the value of the tax credit.
    A recent example of this is the Hope scholarship credit and other deductions worth about $2,500. Double digit tuition increases quickly followed, consuming any value of the credit and leaving those that don't benefit further behind.
    I would like to own a Prius or even better a fuel cell vehicle in the future. However the value equation must be right. I currently drive a 2001 Camry 5sp. avg. 33.5MPG 60% hwy miles.
  • dsgechodsgecho Posts: 89
    I have one of each. Prius is very refined and QUIET. Seems to have more interior room and a lot more features. The echo will NOT get 57-59 mpg [both city and hiway driving] the prius gets in temps above 50F.Echo is a pretty good car though for $10000 [base model}.Powerful and simple to drive. Retrofits well to a SCS cruise control.Each car has a place and are really different cars- depends on you!
    Don Gillespie
    Nashville TN
  • teddy11teddy11 Posts: 4
    Thank you Cliffy1, for comments to #513
    I noticed that a few owners are confused as to the torque characteristics of the Prius. If this vehicle lived up to the combined engine and motor torque ideal numbers, this car would take off like a bat out of hell. Since it does not, there must be other limiting factors. An example will describe what takes place in a battery under varying load conditions.
    Take a flashlight battery and place a 10 ohm resistor (load) across its terminals. Since 10 ohms do not present much of a load to 1.5 volts, the terminal voltage will remain near constant. Lower that resistor to three ohms, (increased load) and the terminal voltage will read about 1 volt. The other .5 volts is lost to the battery's own internal resistance. The same thing happens to the car battery under "heavy load" conditions. (high acceleration, hills etc.) Industry would resolve this problem by providing extra voltage (in our case, more batteries) to be called upon only during heavy loading. The voltage would then be considered "regulated", but at a greater expense and complexity. The higher available torque would satisfy the cowboy instinct in us, but would not serve our practical economic interests. I do believe that Toyota has settled on a good compromise between power and economy.

    I took possession of my Prius on 1-30-01 and love it just the way it is.
  • On the 111th day of my Pruis order, we received the fabled Prius calculator by UPS. On the 120th day, we received a phone call from the regional office telling us that our silver Prius had just arrived in Portland, Oregon. The options will be installed at the port before shipment. Toyota said that the dealer should receive the car here in the Midwest in about three weeks. I guess it's time to get out the checkbook.
  • rangerron7rangerron7 Posts: 317
    Does anyone know what the average waiting period is these days between ordering and taking delivery?
    Also, when going through the Prius website to get "authorization", is a potential buyer "locked in" to a particular dealer for ordering? (The reason I ask is that I am not particularly thrilled with the nearest Toyota dealer that is handling the Prius.)
    Thanks,
    Ron
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Current wait time is 5 months from order to delivery. And yes, you are locked into the dealership you select. I would suggest trying a few other dealers. When you find one you like and trust, you can place the order right there in the showroom on their PC. I've done this on many occasions and confirm the order while the customer looks on. This way they know it was done correctly.
  • rangerron7rangerron7 Posts: 317
    Thanks Cliff!
  • jshierjshier Posts: 1
    I am a three week Priius owner from Green Bay, WI. 66 y.. nurse. I am fascinated by the variety of reasons people have given for be aiding tour chase a Pries. I suspect that for any of us, our motivations are numerous and compels. For me it has been aqcombination of environmental consciousness, fascination with the new and unique, desire to be in the forefront (I drove VW Beetles from 1953 to 1989) and just plain liking to show off.

    While greatmilage is a significant reason for owning Prius, I think the long-range value of this technology will be in its lack of environmental impace re: milae and particularly, low emissions.

    Note for comment: I cannot understand why we in the U.S. have a problem getting cruise control when it is apparently stadeard on cars delivered to canade. I am one of many (I hope) lobbying Toyota to provide dealers with instructions and permission r/t installing cruise controll

    Looking forward to participation in the group.

    John
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Glad to have you in the group. I am a real fan of these cars and look forward to your input.
  • redly_oneredly_one Posts: 122
    Let's just say I work for a domestic auto manufacturer. Let's also say I work in R&D on a hybrid electric vehicle project.

    Guess what we bought from the toyota dealer the other day. ding- a Prius Battery Pack!!!

    I must say that we were all quite impressed with the packaging and compactness of the unit. Panasonic NiMh...mmm mmm good. We have them in test as we speak.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Very interesting. You bought one from a local dealer? I would think an automotive manufacturer would have a bit better access than that. Oh, unless you were looking to copy the technology I guess :) I look forward to hearing what you find.
  • swaltzswaltz Posts: 1
    I had decided not to consider the Prius because of the 5 month wait, but was at another car lot nearby and saw the TRAC vehicle by itself on the lot. The rest of the inventory was at the fairgrounds for a tent sale. The cashier called the dealer and they let me drive the car out to talk to the sales manager. He let me take a detour on I10 to check it out at higher speeds. The acceleration above 70 was a little slow, but not a problem. In 30 mph zones, it was hard to stay under 45. Two things surprised me based on what others report. Some of the roads are not in the best condition and I felt all of the unevenness even after slowing to legal speeds. I drive a 90 Acura Integra and it rides smoother over the same roads. The temperature was in the 80s, so the AC was on (not max) with the fan set to auto. On the return trip, mostly I10, there was a noticeable but not totally unpleasant odor to the cool air from the vents.

    The Prius is intriguing, but safety is a concern for me. In addition to the Japanese crash tests, side air bags are a consideration. The Prius web site doesn't show them as either standard or optional, but April 2001 Consumer Reports shows Standard/Front. I don't think the TRAC vehicle had them.

    The TRAM vehicle was dark green and the salesman said they were selling it for MSRP. It's at Team Toyota (Tallahassee Florida).
  • Hello fellow Prius People. I understand that cruise control will be available for the 2002 cars. I also understand that it will be equipped with GPS. I do not know if that will be standard or optional equipment. I was told that Toyota is hesitant to put cruise control in American cars and is only testing it out in Canada to see how well it does. Their fear, as I understand it, is that cruise control will take away from its fuel economy. This car was designed in a very specific way. I fear that if we "WANT WHAT WE WANT", then we're going to end up with gas-only engines. I am certainly willing to sacrafice cruise control, a sunroof, etc..for a car that makes sense. The more I drive my Prius, the more I marvel at its technologic advances. It senses small things that my other car could never sense. As for the person who is concerned with "feeling every bump", nobody knows that better than us cold climate people. We have more potholes on our freeways than the moon has craters. Yes, you do feel them! But, again, it's a sacrafice one puts up with for having the low rolling resistance tires. These are designed to help achieve the Prius' gas mileage. A small change in the tires you use will result in significant changes in your gas mileage. I guess what I'm saying is let's give this car a chance before we decide we want to change everything around. Like us, it's perfect by design. :) KEEP IT GREEN! :)
  • I had a ride in a friends Prius today. Quite a nice car. It didn't have the zoom zoom of my Protege es, but the 48 mpg she reports in city driving is quite impressive. If I needed to buy a sedan today, my conscience would make any other choice difficult [but I sure would miss shifting.]
  • pweeks1pweeks1 Posts: 3
    Hi All,

    I'm onboard as a future Prius purchaser. My partner and I put our deposit down two days ago, estimated delivery July/August. I'm hoping it's in time for a road trip to Arizona in July, but whatever. I'm feeling really good about the car. Not perfect, but practical. Good enough.

    I thought the person's idea awhile back about electrical outlets for a hybrid SUV was a good one, voltage wise, that's what transformers are for, you can have any output you want.

    I think it would be cool if the Prius came with a rechargeable flashlight that stayed in the car and charged. You know, with the Prius label - seems in keeping with the car and fun and practical.

    I'd like to see a commercial with a roadway full of Priuses waiting at a stoplight. All you can hear is the birds because there's no motor noise. The sky is blue 'cause there's no exhaust while they sit there.

    Anyway, this whole Town Hall was helpful in the purchase decision. I didn't see anything here that scared me off, and reading other people's experience of things I was curious about soothed me. So thanks.

    Is it true that the owner's manual arrives a couple of weeks before the car? That would be cool. What is the "N" position for? When would a normal user ever use it? I was thinking maybe if the car had to be towed?

    Paul
  • paul34bpaul34b Posts: 33
    Just wondering if any Prius owners hear a very high pitch sound coming from, I think, the motor during acceleration and braking. One has to pay attention as it is in the background. At least in my car. Everyone I have given a ride to does not hear it but now that I hear it, it is annoying. Maybe it is just part of the system. If anyone knows what I am talking about please respond. Thanks
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Probably the electric motor.
  • cgangelcgangel Posts: 2
    I bought a Prius a couple of weeks ago (a TRAC vehicle).

    I can't believe I did it, but I backed into an electrical box! I was going 6 mph. The very corner of the passenger side of the rear bumper was dented in and part of the tail light was broken. I didn't think the damage was too bad. I checked the lamps and they were complete, but right rear turn signal didn't work.

    The next day I went to start the car and all the engine lights were on and the monitor showed the (c) picture of the car. The dealership says I need to get the damage taken care of before they can check out the system. I was not planning on getting the insurance company involved, but now it seems I have no choice. I will have to have it towed just to get estimates.

    I am wondering how such a small impact could mess up the hybrid system. Any ideas?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Ouch! I'm sorry to hear about that. I'm not sure why the dealership would need the body repaired before examining the hybrid system. I wish I could be of more help on this one.

    I will tell you that you should get your insurance company involved now though. Parts for this car are extremely expensive and some day, you're going to have to fix it. You might as well get it over with now while you can still file a claim.
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