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Toyota Prius (First Generation)

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  • reticent1reticent1 Posts: 70
    The Prius for 2002 will also be availble in the two colors of blue that were in the last year's brochure but not available last year.

    -Ret, hoping they don't put non-available items in the 2002 Brochures!
  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    How 'bout them heated seats in the Sequoia!
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    I'm not really in the market, but I too field queries on behalf of others, and in any case, am a big fan of the technology that the current VW diesels represent. All of my recent discussions about these cars with local VW dealers have come up empty, with some denying the car can be had in Calif, period. As I said, this is a tangential discussion for the Prius board...I think we got here while commenting about alternatives to the Prius that give real-world economy in the 40+ mpg range. Let's leave it by agreeing that there are darned few cars out there that meet this criteria, but it's my sense that there will be many more in the coming decade...
  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    We can certainly agree on that!

    Imagine what the Prius may evolve into in the next ten years!
  • ajvdhajvdh Posts: 223
    From an old-time motorhead.

    A couple of weeks ago, the father of one of my kid's friends dropped by with a Prius, and knowing of my gearhead tendencies, offered to let me take it for a little spin.

    A little background: I have a bit of a Tim Allen bent when it comes to cars ("More power, arrgh arrgh arrgh"). I currently drive a BMW M3, which has been modified for a bit (OK a lot) of extra power. I do driver's schools and open track lapping events, so I have a warped perspective about cars.

    I found the Prius fascinating. Yeah, it's about as exciting as skim milk, but it works! It's quiet, rides decently, that electric motor gives it good off the line jump, and the whole experience is transparant to the user. The funniest thing for me was trying to predict when it would switch from gas to electric or vice-versa. I just couldn't do it. I concluded the computer's a whole bunch smarter than me.

    If I was in the same situation as the guy who owned it (40+ mile commute each way as opposed to the 3 1/2 I deal with), I would buy one in a New York minute. He's getting consistent 47 MPG on his commute, and he got some whopping tax credits too.

    Cool car.
  • miltkomiltko Posts: 15
    From our own Prius experience and past posts in this club, driving at a steady rate appears to have a significant beneficial effect on gas mileage[ intrying to reach the posted EPA figures]. However there is a difference between maintaining a constant speed and in maintaining a constant throttle position. (In the old carburated cars, accelerating caused the accelerator pump to dump in extra fuel). On my Camry, cruise control the fuel input is automatically increased to get up a hill at near constant speed. Since the accelerator petal on a Prius is not connected directly to the fuel injection system I don't know if the fuel computer changes fuel rate to maintain speed [at a given accelerator position] or not. Perhaps pm knows?

    Several of the posters have installed cruise control. I wonder if they have tried to take trips with and without the cruise control active and determined if the cruise control benefits fuel milage or just eliminates ones right leg weariness? Any comments?
  • miltkomiltko Posts: 15
    We noted the first scratch on the passenger side of our Prius. If you get down low and look at the side slabs of the Prius, there is a lot of tin plate here that could use some rubber protection (not painted plastic like my Camry). Does anybody know if someone is offering a side bumper strip kit> Or for you body-shop types, how tough would it be to add something you pick up in your local auto supply store. The strip would have to be low on the side.
  • jdarcyjdarcy Posts: 8
    I just don't see the $ equation working out for the Prius because of high initial costs, value based taxes, and likely high repair costs after 100,000 miles. Since fuel is one of the least relevant costs of vehicle ownership, the Echo wins the $ battle hands down.
    Any tax incentives will only further distort the market and could lead to even higher costs. If the tax credit is $2000, then the vehicle price is about $2000 higher than otherwise which adds to State taxes and insurance costs.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    The Prius has styling that looks somewhat similar to an Echo, but it is much differnet than just and Echo with a different motor. The quality level is much higher. Many people who test drive an Echo and think it is too cheap and tinny will be satisfied with the quietness and refinement of a Prius.
    I am not worried about repair costs past 100,000 miles because I have never kept any previus car anywhere near 100,000 miles and I would not have any intention of keeping a Prius to that mileage either.
    Still, most people probably will not save enough fuel costs to justify the extra expense compared to similar cars. Many Prius buyers just plain like the car, the quietness, the way it drives, the low emissions, and the technology that comes with car. Tax rebates will make it a little more affordable and nullify part of the initial purchase expense. The statement that tax credits are going to make it more expensive does not make sense.
    If I bought one, I would probably sell it by 50,000 miles and see what the next generation of hybrids are like by then.
  • reticent1reticent1 Posts: 70
    The Prius 2002 orders will be able to be placed at the www.toyota.com website June 1 (latest update)..

    -Ret
  • reticent1reticent1 Posts: 70
    2002 MSRP price remains the same as the 2001, for now. Price for the Japan and PPO additions are as follows:

    Japanese extras:
    Cruise = $250.
    Nav/GPS = $1900
    Side impact airbags = $250
    Daytime running lights = $40

    PPO (post-production options)
    single CD player = $335.00
    6-disc in dash player = $589
    carpeted floor mats = $89
    wheel locks = $55
    glass-breakage sensor = $147

    That's it with the updates for now. Orders are still June 1, 10am EST as we're told.

    -Ret
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi friends,

    Catherine Heins is looking for people to interview who have switched from American to Japanese cars in the past few years-- especially folks who wouldn't have given a Toyota or Honda the time of day in the 1970s.

    She's a business reporter at the Yomiuri Shimbun, which is the biggest daily paper in Japan with a circulation of 14 million. They are writing a feature story about Japanese automakers' continuing success in expanding production in the U.S. and snatching market share from the Big Three even on their former home turf of light trucks.

    If you fit this description and are willing to be interviewed, please call her directly at 212-582-5827 or e-mail her at catheins@yahoo.com. As always, you can contact me at jfallon@edmunds.com if you have any questions.

    Thanks,

    Jeannine Fallon
    PR Director
    Edmunds.com
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Don't count on it - my guess is that Toyota considers this kind of mini-mini-van too small for mainstream US customers. Don't hold your breath waiting for American introduction...
  • pweeks1pweeks1 Posts: 3
    We ordered a Prius here in Colorado Springs, CO March 26. At that time we were told we could anticipate delivery in late July or August. Unable to stand the unknown much longer I called the dealer today and asked if they could find the status on our order.

    I was told that Toyota had stopped 2001 orders and that we would get a 2002 model. Can this be right? It sounds to me like the dealer simply didn't place the order even though we left a deposit and filled all the paper work out in March.

    Now they say they don't know when the order will be filled, but that we are at the "head of the list" for 2002. Is this just a bunch of bull?

    Will we be charged differently for the 2002 model than we agreed to for the 2001? $20,450.

    They seemed like a bunch of chuckle heads, but I thought they could at least place the order even though they seemed to know NOTHING about the car.

    Thanks for any info.

    Paul
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    If they placed the order in March, you will get a 2001. We took over 15
    orders in May on 2001 cars and most will arrive in August. It is true that
    the 2002 did not increase in price, so if they just placed the order, you
    will get it in October but the price will not be any higher.

    Unfortunately, it is very hard to get information from Toyota about the
    status of your order. You will get an e-mail from Toyota about 3 weeks
    before the car arrives. The dealer gets a phone call about a week before it
    arrives. This is the only contact we have with Toyota after the initial
    order is confirmed.

    I also have one other suggestion if your dealership is giving you the run
    around. If you e-mail me your confirmation number, I can at least look it
    up to see if and when the order was placed. I can't involve myself in your
    deal, but I would be glad to look up the status. My e-mail address is
    sclifford@kjtoyota.com
  • He is the 2nd person out of the Colorado region I have read about who is concerned about a missing order. There is another one on the Prius Group list that yahoo does. I wonder if it's a communications problem with the dealership or if it is a regional issue? It's just so coincidental to see it twice in one short block of time, isn't it? Same issue, too - right down to the month ordered and the same city -- but different people.

    Coinkydink?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I discovered that I can't search the orders from other dealerships. I had not had opportunity to try this until pweeks contacted me. I directed him to contact the regional distribution center which he did and seems to be on the right track. His dealership dropped the ball on ordering back in March but the regional people are trying to fast track his order now.
  • Man, that is so nice of you. Bless you.
  • newpriusnewprius Posts: 1
    I just got my prius 2 weeks ago and are very happy with it. I drive about 45 miles/day to work with some stop and go traffic and some highways. I just have 2 queestions about the mileage:
    1. My consumption screen said I am getting 48mpg but when I actually filled up my tank and calculated my mpg, it's only about 38mpg. Why is there such a big difference?
    2. Is there any special tips on improving my mpg.
    Any kind of info would be greatly appreciated!
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    Not sure about CA, but VW will not allow any dealers to sell TDIs in NY and has also allegedly threatened dealers in neighboring states not to sell to NY residents either on penalty of losing their franchise. TDIs, as best as I can determine, will not meet CA or NY emissions standards, no matter what certification is on the window sticker. New TDIs cannot be registered in NY, period. They can be registered in NY as used cars, with at least 7,500 miles on them, providing they were initially registered in another state. CA may be the same. Part of the problem is that there is a national fleet fuel emissions standard that all car manufacturers must meet. Too many TDIs will lower VWs average, maybe below the minimum standard. Yes, TDIs get great mpg, but the higher required maintenance like more frequent and expensive timing belt changes, the need for synthetic oil, and the expensive 20,000 mile fuel system servicing require you to own one for about 100,000 miles to break even with a gas model. Do you want to?
  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    Are available in California on a limited basis.
  • redly_oneredly_one Posts: 122
    I am having loss of power steering problems. Anyone else experiencing this problem. If so, what's the cause?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    How long have you had yours? The initial batch coming into the country did have a problem with the power steering but those should have been corrected months ago. The last time this came up was back in December. Was yours one of the first batch into the country or a recent arrival?
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    The Prius is the best hybrid you can buy today, but it is nerdy and geeky.
    Until they make a hybrid that is sexy or at least attractively styled, they will not be big sellers.
    Maybe in the next 5 to 10 years, there will be a mainstream hybrid in the U.S..
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    Everything form the odd name, to the Echo-ish/Focus-ish weird styling, the dash, all the gadgets, the display panel showing you graphics of the engine functioning is all very geeky.
    The car is not stylish or "cool" at all. Some of the styling is dated because of how long ago the car was originally designed (even though it has only been on the street in the US for a couple years).
    It is for people who are heavily into gadgets or are trying to make a statement about saving the environment.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I guess its all in the eye of the beholder. Your statements smacks of arrogance in your pronouncement that the Prius is not stylish. Perhaps it isn't to you, but believe it or not, it is to many people. That has actually been a selling point for my customers.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    As a proud, dues-paying nerd-geek, I would not be ashamed to be seen in a Prius. Guess I'm not worried about being stylish or cool. In fact, can't ever remember being cool...but I did retire comfortably at age 46 on the strength of being nerdy and geeky. Guess it all evens out...
  • bob354bob354 Posts: 11
    for following up on my order. Turns out he is with my local dealer and he was very kind to get me the scoop and put my mind at ease. Many thanks.
  • bob354bob354 Posts: 11
    Now that I've found a forum where I can find out all about this car, everyone has gone away... Hope it wasn't something I said! :-)
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Bob,

    You didn't kill it. It seems Edmunds had some hiccup yesterday and many posts were deleted in the process. I think they are working on it.
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