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Volvo S80

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  • davantdavant Posts: 294
    Begging for input on post 1327 as the pre-approved loan is getting warm

    The quandary:
    '01 S-80 T-6, 17K mi, 100K V-warr, clim pkg, immaculate, roughly $24-26K,

        or

    '04 S-60 2.5T, Sport/Tour/Prem/Clim, w/incen $30K
  • kiiwiikiiwii Posts: 302
    I'd go with the T6 if it has a Volvo ext warranty up to 100k miles. Why? 1.) According to IIHS, NHTSA, and European crash test, S80 has a better score than S60. 2.) S80 has a lot more room. 3.) T6, 268HP, no need to explain on this. 4.) You got the ext warranty to cover u up to 100k.

    I buy Volvo only because of the safety. For the safety reason alone, I would choose S80 over S60. This is just my opinion. Hope that helps.
  • I currently have 17 inch wheels on my 2001 S80 and am about to buy new tires. I don't like the looks of the wheels at all (bought the car used and had no say) and I was considering taking this opportunity to get new rims.
    I was considering switching to 16" inch wheels to save money on tires since I'll have to spend a whole bunch on new wheels.
    Do 16" wheels come standard on the S80 and would switching sizes require any recalibration of the odometer, brakes, DSTC or whatever?
    Does anyone have any recommendation for specific tires -- a balance between economics/safety being key, not necessarily looks or performance?
    What about rims? Other than going through a dealer? Thanks.
  • Turns out that one of the tail lights was out. Nearly impossible to see. Thanks for the tip. Of course no more than a week after I changed that bulb, the same bulb on the other side of the car is burnt out now. It seems like everyone goes through bulbs like crazy in Volvos, huh? I have.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    16" were standard for the S80.
    If you have a T6 stay w/ the 17"s.
    The wider footprint of the 17 deals with the engine better than the 16's do.
    Have you priced the tires?
    I find it hard to believe that you'll save alot by going to 16"s.
  • bga123bga123 Posts: 2
    Just checked into that today and found that
    a. It can be done but the computer requires a software change to take the dew tire size into account

    b. It voids the Volvo Certified Used car warranty. Don't know about original. Apparently the car is warranted only "as inspected" and their paperwork trail tells them what tire size is on there.
  • xebecxebec Posts: 3
    I have a 2000 S80, 2.9, got it on the Overseas Delivery plan, and am still in love with the thing. Early on, I had some irritation about paint dings on the trailing edges of doors. Kids, passengers, they just weren't as careful as my wife and I. Parking lots, ferries (Seattle area), parking garages, and diagonal parking on the streets, all were taking a small-chip toll every couple of months. Driver's door was taking hits too, It was worse on this car because of the door's high outward bulge, which so gracefully frames the center doors' inward curve.

    A nice solution at my dealer was a strip of 3/16th-inch black beading, extreme U-shaped, with contact cement on the deep inside. It is armor, it solves the problem, does not scratch other cars upon contact, and looks real good with the rest of the cars black vinyl molding-- maybe less so for '03 and on.

    If somebody is irritated about these dings, hope this helps.
  • davantdavant Posts: 294
    '04 S-80's have $5K cash to dealer now, yippee. Anyone know if the T-6 has any/more? For instance, the S-60's 2.5/2.5T/T5 have $3/4/5K dealer cash respectively. If this pattern holds true the S-80 T-6 should have $6K back (to the dealer) and maybe even $7K on the premier (out of my range).

    Considering stepping up to a new 80 versus a 60 as with the incentives it's not far from what I'd pay for a 60 without them. If the T-6 has an even bigger incentive, it's on the agenda. I've driven an '01 S-80 T-6; what a car, effortless acceleration. Anyone have an opinion on the S-80 2.9? Is 194 HP enough to make this 3,583 pound luxury car feel lively albeit not a turbo? Not looking for that whoosh head thrust that comes with the T-6, just don't want to have to push it too hard when passing or pulling into traffic.
  • dmarcus48dmarcus48 Posts: 139
    I have an 03 2.9 s80. The car is no slouch, while it could not be called quick off the line, (its not slow, but certaintly not fast), let's call it lively. On the highway the car is definitely quick. Acceleration on is very smooth. Would I like a T6, yes, but the 2.9 is fine. I guess it depends on you r budget. At the time I got mine my lease price was $1160 down and $393 per for 42 months, the T6 was over $500 and my wife was not happy about it. "why do you need such a fast car???"
  • davantdavant Posts: 294
    Thanks for your opinion, I was hoping I heard from current owners. We really don't need a T-6, it's more of a want, but once I drove one I was in love. I don't think there are any T-6 incentives right now, if there were, we'd consider one. Not thinking about leasing so the difference between models due to the $5K 2.9 cashback is roughly $7K or about $130/month, not good but not a showstopper here.

    Seems the average MSRP difference from the 2.9 to the T-6 is $3K. If Volvo would at least offer $5K back on the T-6 the gap would remain constant and there'd be one more T-6 owner, me!

    We'll probably choose the 2.9 and plan on test driving soon. Any other owners or savvy Volo-ites out there?
  • Thought I’d try posting this on the general area to see if there is any guidance out there?

    I've got a 2000 Venetian Red T-6 that I just love. I just passed 48,000 miles. I just took it on a 500 mile trip and somewhere I got the front drivers-side headlight lens cracked. The headlight assembly looks to be intact.

    When I searched the inter net for replacement parts. I found a lens only replacement at www.importspecialistsofamerica.com. They are offering the lens only at ~$126. When I talked to my dealer's parts guy he was unaware of a replacement lens only. When I gave him the part number from the web site (8662865) he looked it up and indicated it was not for the US market, but he further said it looked like he could order it and couldn't see why it couldn't be used. I decided to order the lens only from Import Specialists.

    My question for you savy S-80 owners is have any of you replaced the lens only on these headlight assemblies and is it something that a reasonably handy person should be able to do? To bracket my answer, I can tell you that I've replaced the rear tail light assembly on my wife's 850 and previously on my old 740 TD. The supplier has told me they include the new retainer clips and gasket with the lens. I'm looking to see if anyone has any step by step directions for removing and installing a new lens and relatively how difficult it might be. It looks like the headlight assembly on the 2000 is held by two bolts on the top of assembly. Any hints or things to look out for. Or does anyone know where one could get the headlamp replacement procedure? Of I subscribed to the Volvo on-line manual service is this sort of thing covered in the manual?

    Thanks.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    The 2.9 is being phased out in favor of the S80 2.5T.
    Currently there are no incentives on the T6.
  • n0v8orn0v8or Posts: 169
    Another owner posted these instructions on the Volvospy S80 forum in 2001. I saved them for future reference. So far, I have not broken any headlights, but it seems to happen often (this is the 11th time I've posted this for someone).
    ==============================================
    The front bumper has to be partially removed on one side to replace a headlight assembly or glass.

    Start by removing the upper clips that retain the glass to the headlamp shell.
    Next, drill off the 4 plastic-headed rivets inside the wheel well (have new rivets and a rivet gun handy for re-installation).
    Remove the headlight wiper arm, the black plastic cover just below the headlight (just pull off carefully after heating with a hair dryer to prevent the brittle plastic from cracking), and the side marker lamp (which is attached to the black cover).
    Remove the turn signal lamp assembly (push down on the release tab from the top next to the headlight, then slide forward.
    Remove the 2 plug covers in the lower front area of the bumper, and remove the bumper retaining bolts. The bumper will now slide forward enough to remove the remaining clips that retain the glass to the shell.
    ===========================================

    I would be leery of using a Euro-spec glass, as it may not match the other side. Discount mail order dealers, like Borton Volvo, sell the correct lens for about $125, according to others who have replaced it themselves.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    You can get a clear plastic stick on shield from IPD that will absorb rock hits very nicely.
    Beats repalcing len covers.
  • Thanks n0v8or for the replacement procedure. I'm not sure I understand why all the steps are needed, but I'll go home tonite and try and eyeball with the procedure and make sure it all makes sense. Sounds more like an 850, but I'll check it out. Thanks!
  • n0v8orn0v8or Posts: 169
    Yeah . . the instructions are a bit cryptic.
    I have "eyeballed" all the steps and they seem to make sense. The "black cover" is a finish molding that runs along the top-front edge of the bumper, starting just to the side of the grille and continuing around to just past the yellow side marker light (which is mounted to it).
    I used a long screwdriver to depress the turn lamp assembly release tab.
  • I have a 1999 s80 t-6, and also have the same transmission problems that you describe. Mine has been at the dealer for a month, and they have yet to fix it. The transmission is just one of about 25 problems wrong with the car! I have owned the car for about 6 months and it has 66k miles on it. Of those 6 months the car has been at the dealer 2 of them, and is still at the dealer as I write this. Eitan I will let you know if I find out anything. I wish I had never even seen this car, what a piece of junk!
  • eitan56eitan56 Posts: 17
    Brian: Thanks for the empathy. I'm pretty sure the problem with my trans is a bad sensor or the need for the proper updated software that operates trans. It's an elusive problem. I have had the car at the dealer 3x, the last two they did not get the condition. The 'shudder' comes & goes. It seemed to be more consistant (the shudder, that is) in the warm weather. My personal mechanic's 'SWAG' is a bad ambient temp sensor, if such an animal exists.

    I feel your frustration. Let me know what you find out.

    Question to anyone in northern NJ; Any service experience with Paul's Volvo in Hawthorne, NJ? I can't bear to keep going back to the dealer where I bought the car. Whoever said finding a good Vovlo tech is the key to happy ownership knew whate he/she was takling about.
  • thanks, n0v8or. The only part that I've got questions about is the removal of the 4 plastic rivets in the wheel well. It doesn't seem to be connected to anything involved in the removal. I also hope the lens doesn't have a clip on the inside edge. It looks like there are two bolts on top that secure the headlamp assembly. However when I tried to loosen them and possibly remove the assembly to work on it the assembly is still held in by something I can't find. I presume the procedure you gave is for replacing the lens without taking the headlamp out. I would think it's easier than this, which probably means there is a step that I'm just not visualizing properly. If you have any other words of wisdom I'd appreciate it.
  • n0v8orn0v8or Posts: 169
    The rivets fasten the fender liner to the bumper assembly, preventing you from sliding the bumper forward.

    One owner was able to watch the technician replace his headlamp (the entire assembly; he was told the glass could not be purchased as a separate piece). They completely removed the bumper to gain access to all of the shell fasteners.

    My understanding is there are retention clips only along the top and bottom, and it is possible to replace the glass, but not the entire unit, by just sliding the bumper forward enough to access the lower clips.
  • davantdavant Posts: 294
    One more time with feeling...

    Volvo's current semi-secret $5K dealer incentive on the S-80 2.9 expires 31 Oct. Dealer feedback is they don't expect any major changes as sales appear flat at best. Anyone heard what programs/incentives are in store and when they'll be released? Real close to buying an '04 S-80 2.9 at $32.8K w/premium (leather & sunroof) & 17's, MSRP of $40.7. Fingers crossed the $5K stays or goes up. Any chance there'll be dealer incentives for the 2.5T AWD version or T-6 perhaps?

    Request feedback before I buy one and the headlights crack, then I can't get the bumper off, and then the transmission woes (whooa-Nellie).

    Also, anyone heard about possibly phasing out the 2.9 engine? In lieu of what? I hope there's an alternative to the turbo 5-banger and top-notch dual turbo T-6 as although the 2.5T may be stronger than the 2.9 due to the blower, (208HP, 236 ft lbs/torque versus 194HP & 207 ft lbs for the 2.9 6-cyl), it's certainly not as smooth as either six. All are great engines but the 2.5 felt like chitty-chitty bang-bang in comparison. You have to check the tach to see if the 6 cyl is even running.

    FYI on headlight protection. 3M makes clear sticky material (like sheets of heavy grade clear tape) that is used to protect aircraft antennas, works great. Still looking for a web source and will post it. 3M, post-it, get it?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Not going away.
    The 2.9 is being phased out in favor of the 2.5T variant. Hence the incentive.
    Given the declining sales there will be incentives on all versions eventually, but it won't get any better for the 2.9 than it is now.
    ipd carries the 3m headlight sheets, www.ipdusa.com
  • davantdavant Posts: 294
    Got word Volvo fixed a previous oversight by offering $5K off the T-6 as well. I hope this continues or increases when the Nov programs are announced. They're not making this an easy decision for me...2.9 or a few grand more for a T-6, hmmm. Thanks Volvomax for your posts and guidance.
  • Eitan,

    I should get my s-80 back today, and it seems as if a vacuum leak may have been causing many of the problems including the one with the transmission. Supposedly the technician has put over 300 miles on my car after he changed the molded plastic hose that is attached to he throttle body, and the transmission has not had anymore mishaps since this hose was replaced. I saw the hose and it looked like the bottom of it had literally melted. Today will be six weeks that volvo has been working on the car and supposedly they have fixed everything. I am going to get the car back tomorrow and will be trading it in this weekend. Let someone else have the crazy thing. Good luck with yours!

    Brian
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,704
    What does everyone think of the new 2.5T AWD? I think that model will be a blessing to S80 sales, and I also believe that it's probably the best Volvo to come out of Gothenburg since the original 850.

    Volvomax, do you think the 2.5T, even with AWD, will place a dent in XC70 or 90 sales?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    I like the S80 AWD, it is easily the best handling and feeling of the S80's.

    But, it won't change any of the sales figures for the XC90 or the XC70. In fact, in the Southwest, the South and the West Coast it won't sell in any numbers at all. In the Northern markets I expect it to do quite well. AWD is only a small part of the decision to buy the XC90 and the XC70, there are a whole host of other reasons.
  • cmnottcmnott Posts: 200
    The 2.5T AWD seemed to get a decent review from Car and Driver and has good power too...0-60 in 7.7? I think.

    It the T6 going to be AWD as well? It sure needs it.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,704
    Is the 2.5T even out for sale yet in the U.S.?
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    I'm guessing part of the reason they went with the turbo 5 in the first place is for space limitation...you've already got a transversely mounted straight six under the hood in the 2.9 and T6; there probably wouldn't be any extra room for the AWD running gear. If that's the case, I'd say a T6 AWD is out of the question.
  • davantdavant Posts: 294
    It might be that S-60 2.5T AWD configuration fits nicely in the S-80 and trumps the base 2.9 powerplant, killing two birds with one stone. Three if you count swaying prospective S-60 buyers into the S-80 with more powerplant choices. The $5K dealer incentives on the S-80 2.9 and T-6, but not the 2.5T AWD, clearly point which directions Volvo is headed.

    Will probably settle for the 2.9 here or jump to the T-6 if I can swing it, partly because of the $5K. Either feels like the best bargain vs. the 2.5T.
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