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  • I've been looking for a used car for a while, and I narrowed the field down to Acura Legends and Vigors, Maximas and Honda's. I want to stay around the 10K range but can be flexible. Ideally, I'd get a 95 Legend, because I believe they have the best reliability record of all the Legends.

    The 91 I found is at a dealer. It's a metallic white color with tan leather interior. It has a few nicks on it that the dealer will repair. Otherwise, the exterior is clean. It's an eye catcher. It certainly caught my eye driving by. Anyway, the interior is very clean. There is a flaw or two in the top of the leather seat in the rear, and something semi-corrosive was spilled in the arm-rest storage compartment. Other than that, it's clean.

    I sense a minor adjustment may be needed in the drivers side door, as it gave me a little difficulty opening it a few times. The door seal is worn as well.

    The Bose stereo definitely has a problem. I used th fader and balance to check all the speakers. The rear drivers side definitely has a problem, and perhaps the drivers door speaker as well.

    Inside the trunk, the fiber wall on the back appeared to have been removed for some reason, and was not replaced correctly. I'm not sure why. Perhaps someone was trying to fix the stereo? I read here that others have had the same problem with the Bose stereo.

    The rear passenger door has flecks of cream paint overspray on it, I assume from a repair done to the door panel, though I can't find it.

    It has Bridgestones on it, in good shape, but road and wind noise are noticeable.

    The engine compartment is spotless.

    When leaving a stoplight, I can feel a slight chatter as the rpm's go from 600-1000. I'm worried about a tranny problem. Could this just be something like exhaust? I've never heard an automatic chatter.

    Overall, it's a very clean car that needs a little bit of attention. I'm tired of looking at buying other people's problems. Too many junkers in dark colors on the market (I live in a hot sunny climate). I need white or pastel colors. My current Honda is black, so I know why people sell them in the winter.

    The dealer claims retial to be $13,900. The Kelley Retail value is $13,360. Edmunds lists the car at $10,282 clean, $11,230 in excellent condition, which would have to include the paint fixes, the stereo fix, the door and seal fix, and a checkout of the potential tranny issue. (Why such a difference between Edmunds and KBB? I find this to be fairly common between the two.) Still, that's $2670 lower than their ask price. The salesman is nice, seems honest and direct, and we talked about $12,000, though not seriously. The private party price on the car would be more like $9,000, though this would be a very desirable car at that price. It wouldn't last long.

    Does anyone have any input on the potential tranny issue or stereo issue, and what the repair costs could be? I like the car, but it is 10 years old. What's a fair price?
  • Could it be that the problem with the 91 Legend I want to buy is a tranny mount? It goes like this....

    I take off slowly from a stop light, and somewhere between 600-1000 RPM's, I get a vibration that sounds like clutch chatter from a standard transmission, which this is not, but that's what it sounds/feels like. Was that your experience?
  • For those of you that have the problem with the Bose amps, I found this site. $99 plus shipping for any repair.


    http://www.boserepair.com/

  • I recently developed a chirping/whirring noise in the front left corner of my Legend. I finally unscrewed the speedometer cable coupler in the engine compartment and my noise disappeared. After lubricating the top half, I reconnected the cable and my noise came back, but it wasn't quite as loud. When it was disconnected the automatic did not shift the same. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Can anyone offer advice on how to fix this problem? Thanks
  • goralgoral Posts: 138
    You didn't say how many miles the Legend has... However, regardless of miles, I think the dealer is asking too much... After all, the car IS 10 years old! I currently own '91 Legend w/ 113K miles, and am very happy w/ it.
    From experience (and research) I know of following COMMON problems w/ Legends:
    1) Cracked radiator top
    2) Transmission mount
    3) Door lock actuator (had to replace mine)
    4) ABS/TCS speed sensor(s) (bad on mine, don't feel like replacing it)
    5) Master window/door switch (replaced mine - $380 ouch!)

    Regarding maintenance - the timeing belt/water pupm is a biggie here. Recommended at 90K -> dealers usually quote between $700-$900, although I had mine done for $450 (bought my own parts, and had my mechanic change them).
  • I have a buddy of mine who has offered to sell me his 94 Acura Legend L 4dr sedan. With options, KBB lists it at about $14100. He is offering to sell it to me for $13000. The car runs
    exceptionally well. The exterior and interior are very good as well. The car has about 90000 miles on it. I know the Legend has a very good reputation, but should I worry about the mileage?
  • rc52rc52 Posts: 27
    I just sold my '90 Legend L with 92K miles. My tranny was diagnosed as requiring replacement from 2 different Acura specialists, at a cost of around $2500. I don't buy that statement that tranmissions are designed to shift "hard" to give more performance. I think the long 500 mile drives at 80mph last year fried my tranny. It was not shifting into 2nd gear even under light throttle until the engine got well into the 4000rpm range. Sometimes it would shift into 2nd, others it would slam/thunk into 3rd. I did a power flush of the entire transmission fluid - but it didn't aleviate the shifting symptoms. I thought long and hard about repairing it and keeping the car for a few more years, but I decided to get a new car with more up-to-date technology features.
  • Sometimes the chatter from 600-1000 RPMs is from the heat shields around the catalytic convertor or the B pipe heat shield. These can rust and then rattle annoyingly at a certain RPM. The best advice before buying any car is to take it to someone who can check the car out thoroughly!
  • I am looking at buying an 89 Legend 2 Dr. coupe with 88K on it from a dealership. I am wondering what to look out for and what questions to be asking. I am also wondering what type of gas mileage it gets. From most of the posts here, it seems like this would be a great used car to buy. Since Edmund's also only goes back to 1990 for a price report I was wondering what a fair price would be on a car like this.
  • cook2ucook2u Posts: 2
    Just bought a 91 LS coupe; the car was pretty clean in and out and as 88K miles on it. I paid $8,500 for it from a dealer in Florida where I live. I have also experienced a tranny(?) "chatter" at times, especially in first gear. I am reading (here) that this could be the transmission mounting bracket(?). Is it really true that these Honda products shift "hard"? (as the dealer said) or is this a transmission problem? How can I tell if the timing belt has already been changed by the previous owner(s) ? Any idea where I might find an original-equiptment working radio? Also need a new power antenna.....otherwise, really like the car! Thanks for any input!
  • rc52rc52 Posts: 27
    Cook2u -
    If it's an AT you're talking about you should get that checked out. I experienced similar chatter in 3rd/4th (sort of like driving over a washboard) but I ignored it thinking it was just rough road. A year later my tranny needs to be rebuilt, and the service tech asked if I ever experienced that washboard-like chatter sensation. He said that's the first indication of a possible tranny wearing out - something about the torque converter not staying locked?
    You should investigate maybe having the AT fluid power flushed to get rid of the old fluid in the converter. Regular drain and fill AT servicing doesn't empty the converter - but be warned - the Acura tech doesn't recommend due to "sensitive" internal valving in the AT unit. Maybe they were just saying that to get me to bite for the $2500 rebuilt unit. I ended up selling the car instead.
  • A customary weak link is the rear engine mount (which one tech called a transmission mount) going bad. Don't accept a hard shifting auto transmission - this needs maintenence and some people do the flush and switch to Redline ATF to fix this. There is a plug to inspect the timing belt and if the seal on the plug is untampered then it most likely has not been done. There are at least two OEM Bose radios and some power antennas on eBay now if you search under "Legend".
  • cook2ucook2u Posts: 2
    Thanks for your helpful comments and responses to my questions about the '91 Legend I just bought. I took it to a (friendly) mechanic today and of course there was no "chatter" when he drove it; (but it's there). I also (now) noticed a mild vibration in the engine at 1500 RPM's when in neutral(????) but not present at any other time. Please tell me this isn't serious (PLEASE!). LOL. I am going to try and get the transmission flushed as recommended and try the redline ATF. Then if that doesn't work I'm taking my Legend to Lourdes for a dip in the Holy water.
    Thanks again for the assistance! You guys(?) are the best!
  • I have a 90 Legend Coupe LS with 135k and have loved it!! I am looking to get a 95 LS Coupe with manual transmission and wanted to see if there is anything I should watch out for. Would love comments from anyone with late model coupes with manual transmission (6 speeds). Any regrets vs. automatic?!?
  • pjdcpapjdcpa Posts: 1
    I think $13k for that car is high. For comparison, I am currently selling a '95 SE w/ 85k miles for $14k. Edmunds puts the private party deal for the car you are looking at around $10,800 which seems to be a little more accurate than the KBB value (which puts my car at $17k)
  • The decision to go auto or manual is very personal. If you have to have a manual (you know who you are!) there is no substitute. I have a 6 speed GS sedan which is staying put with me for a while. On the other hand, if you're constantly in stop-and-go rush hour traffic I thoroughly understand wanting an automatic. Another factor: my parents don't see any point in buying a luxury car (ie: Legend) and then defeating the purpose of having a luxury car by getting the stick. They have a point - most of the buyers of Legends got it for cruising, not zipping.

    PS. Check the rear engine mount (transmission) before purchase and radiator (cracks in plastic)
  • kbohipkbohip Posts: 1
    I am looking to buy a 94 or 95 Acura Legend 4 door with the six speed tranny in it. I test drove one today and it seemed to have a vibration at around 1500 rpm. Is this normal or is something wrong. Also the dealer wants $14,900 for it which I feel is high. It has 75,000 miles on it but it has two small dents behind the rear door. Other than that it is in great shape for a 7 year old car. I am going to look at another 94 tomorrow that is exactly the same car except it has gray leather instead of tan and it has 64,000 miles on it. This one is from a private owner and he wants $15,500 which is even worse. He did tell me that he had bought Blizzaks for it though. I was figuring on spending no more than $13,500 for one but now I question if that is feasible or not. It seems Legends go for more than book.
  • No, no, no! These prices are not too high! You have lucked into the mother lode of rare GS Legend 6 speeds if you do indeed have a 6 speed with 4 doors. These prices are right in line or maybe a little low as there are any number of folks I know who would love to get there hands on one over at http://forums.legend.org/

    (which really is ground zero for Legends).


    As far as the car you found, the vibration could be anything from an engine mount to a loose heat shield. They should also have no problem fixing the dents for you.

  • Hello. I'm checking out an 89 sedan. It has 181,000 miles on it. It's real clean with leather interior. The owner is asking 2900 dollars for it. I'm told it runs good and the engine does not smoke. Should I pursue this car with the high mileage?
  • I need to replace the timing belt and water pump in my 93 LS sedan. Does anyone know of a reputable shop in NJ that would be less expensive than a dealer?
  • I have a opportunity to pick up a white legend L
    1993 with only 21,790 miles on it!!It is from a family member so i know the service history.
    I am concerned that although it has low mileage,it still is a 8 year old car that is not under warranty.
    Should i keep this car? Or should i sell it ?
    I am currently driving a 1996 Volvo 850 with 65,000 miles on it.
    I do not know alot about acuras, i would really appreciate alot of info about this car to help me make a intelligent decision.
  • goralgoral Posts: 138
    The most important question is: how much are they asking for the car??? If the price is right, the car could be a real steal that could last you for 200K miles...
    If you really want to get more info about the car, take sfearing's advice and visit forums.legend.org.
    It's got to be one of the better, more civilized forums out there in the cyber space...
  • ebbieebbie Posts: 1
    Just purchased my first Acura Legend LS today....a 1990 LS with 117k miles on it, garage kept, immaculate inside and out, all service records and maintenance done a dealer recommended intervals, including timing belt and water pump at 90k miles. Paid the grand total price of $4,800 from Crown Acura in Richmond, Va. Every oil change done at 3k mile intervals, everything is original and working, car has only had 2 owners since new. Based on what I have seen....looks like this was a pretty decent price. I think it will be a nice addition to my 95 Lexus ES300 and 93 Cadillac Deville. Only bought this as a spare due to the price. Would appreciate any comments as to maintenance items to look out for.
  • Hi all. I have two Acura Legends; a 1987 and a 1990. I love them both. The '87 has 230,000 miles and only major problem was not replacing the timing belt in-time and had to have top-half of engine rebuilt. That was about 30k miles ago. Problem is a gas smell, mechanics can't seem to figure it out. The Acura dealership after a thorough check suggested $2,400 worth of parts and labor. I about fell over, especially since aside from the gas smell, this car runs excellent. They said I need all 6 fuel injectors, Oxygen sensors, etc, etc, seems like they want to replace anything that is in contact with fuel. I apologize for this long diatribe, but I would really love to know if anyone has had a situation like this, and what did you do? This is my first post to your forum, I relate to all of you other Acura fans out there! (fans of the car, not necessarily the service dept.)
  • I have been eyeing this Acura Legend for a while now. It has 96K miles on it, and it has leather seats, sunroof, auto. I did not pay too much attention to trunk lid to see any letter disignation for model. Is there any on the trunk lid? If not, how can I tell by looking at the car. What kind of things I need to watch for when buying a legend 91-95 style.

    I test drove a 92 with 124K miles several months ago, and I liked the way it drove. It felt like a very refined Accord. Right now, I drive a 96 Camry XLE V-6 with 47K miles. Edmunds put the value of the 47K Camry the same as the 96K mile Legend.
  • At the beginning of this year, I drove my 1994 Legend GS (I guess) 6-speed manual coupe about 1500 miles to my new place of abode, in the Phoenix area. It was a pleasure to drive and gave me no trouble the whole way.

    The problem is what I've posted about before. At low speeds, especially when turning right at low speeds, I hear what I describe as a rumble. At first I thought it was coming from the tires, brakes, or right (psgr) side front, but now I think it may actually be in the steering somehow. No vibration in the steering wheel, though. Front end was checked no less than three times - cv joints are supposedly okay, brakes are new x two months. After reading earlier posts, dealer checked out the heat shield for a different rattle, but rattle not fixed. I'm leaving that one alone until or unless it gets worse, but I'm worried about this rumble sound. And it wasn't the transmission mount that they replaced either--that was causing that dragging feeling when backing out and a big clunk when going over a driveway bump or speed bump, and that was fixed after they replaced that part. Any ideas on whether this is a steering problem or what?

    Also, had brakes done because I was hearing a kind of a throbbing noise (woom-woom-woom) while going down the highway - it's beter, but not gone on the passenger front. They replaced the pads and turned the rotors. Any ideas on what the noise I'm still hearing is? Could they have messed that job up too (lots of problems with bad work on timing belt replacement)?

    One more mechanical thing - I now have to find someone new to work on this baby. Should I go to the dealer in this area, or should I use a Honda mechanic the people I work with have recommended?

    By the way, an earlier post asked about finding a GS coupe 6-speed. Around the time I bought mine (1998) I know there was another one similar in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Mine is pearl white. And yes, these cars were a limited edition. I got lucky. Good luck finding yours.
  • A gas smell indicates a serious problem you don't want to take a chance with - a fire. Take it to another shop and get another opinion. Maybe something is loose and it's an easy fix. Also there are such things as rebuilt parts and you could find a way to get new parts in the car for a lot less by finding an independent Honda/Acura repairman but first this - how long do you intend to keep the car? If the answer is more than 5 years then it might be worth repairing it if the car is in flawless condition inside and out but realistically, save your money and start looking for another car.
  • Okay, I'm posting this without looking at my manual for the car. I should know this, but I'm just a part-time car buff. I must have a 1994 Legend LS Coupe, 6-speed manual, since there is no GS model listed when you go under Edmunds "used cars...." Anyone care to clear this up? I've seen others post about GS models that have a 6-speed manual transmission, but apparently there isn't one? You guys that are real car buffs should know the answer, if you care to enlighten us.
  • goralgoral Posts: 138
    There is no letter designation on Legends... There are several ways to tell which model it is:
    if it has automatic climate control, it's most likely LS or GS... If the engine has written "Type II" on it - the car is a GS.
    Also, I believe the body molding on L is black, wheras LS and GS have body matching color...

    W/ the car having 94K miles, you should find out if the 90K service was performed (mainly timing belt/water pump). If done at the dealership, these two will set you back ~$700/800 (I had mine done by local mechanic - ~$450 using Acura OEM parts).
  • goralgoral Posts: 138
    Yes, you do have 6 speed LS coupe...
    Yes, there are no 6 speed GS coupes, but ... there are 6 speed GS SEDANS...

    Btw, can I be your friend :) ??? I would love to get my hands on 6 speed... I only have '91 I auto :(

    Regarding mechanic - if you can find someone cheaper than the dealer (yet qualified) I would definitely do it. If needed, you can easily pick up OEM parts on-line (from www.ahmotor.com or www.asian-auto-parts.com). I am fortunate to know someone who is really good and CHEAP (working out of his garage)...
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