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Toyota Corolla

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    thanks for the clarification! I read in one of the car mags at the time that this was a recall, but in researching it now, I see that it was a TSB, as you said.

    They did have to replace a couple of thousand of them though.

    alpha is right above: corolla's acceleration is noticeably faster than Matrix's.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • grandtotalgrandtotal Posts: 1,207
    I looked at both. Matrix does indeed suffer as far as acceleration goes especially on the highway, but worse than that it makes a noise about it too. Space is good inside as long as you don't have to sit in the back, in particular behind the front passenger where the hard back of the front passenger seat does serious damage to your shins. Really disliked the instrumentation and the chrome rings around the instruments, obviously a personal issue. For the 2003 model year the Matrix XR did not have ABS even as an option in Canada which was a big thing for me too.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    having shopped a bit before buying, I know that Matrix has significantly more passenger space in the rear seat, including foot space, than any other hatch or wagon in its price range. The seat bottoms are high, and nothing obstructs the under-seat space, so rear passengers can slide their feet all the way under those front seats. The back seat is bigger and more comfortable too.

    Having driven both quite a bit, I do not think the Matrix is noticeably noisier than corolla during high-rev acceleration, but both ARE noisy during those moments. Matrix is noticeably slower at most speeds.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • dunworthdunworth Posts: 338
    I have a small family and would buy a Corolla wagon in a minute if they built one. The Matrix is just trying too hard to appeal to the young crowd, although most people who I see in them are in their forties or fifties (I am in my thirties). I love the understated elegance of the Corolla and would appreciate it in a wagon. Sorry the Matrix interior is just too funky IMHO, although the outside in basic form (sans ground effects) is not too bad.

    BTW does the Matrix/Vibe have the sulphur smell problem as well?

    Has anyone who has had the sulphur smell in the Corolla/Matrix/Vibe been able to get rid of it totally by switching gas?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The Corolla placed fifth of eight in edmunds comparo. I beg to differ. I agree much more with Car and Driver, November 2002. (ranking: 3rd of 11).

    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    It's funny how reviewers can rave on about a car, then award it fifth place. It's almost like they deducted points because of the faux wood trim. Maybe they placed a premium on driver comfort, which was a knock on the Corolla but not the cars above it.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    A look at the scoring tells it all.

    A whopping 30% of the overall score is based on Price - "a simple calculation" based on the vehicle with the lowest sticker. Edmunds is doing us a real service by looking at stickers and telling us there are difference. For goodness' sake, you at least think they use THIER OWN TOOL- True Cost to Own, especially in this vehicle class! Bottom rung auto journalism. No seriously, any Tom, Dick, or Harry could come in off the street and write down a sticker price.

    I have a Sentra 2.5LE- it was absolutely the best car FOR ME. NO WAY THOUGH would I pick it over a Corolla if it were my parents, relatives, or female friends. These are economy cars, not sports cars, and should be evaluated as such. Even notoriously hot rodders like Car and Driver can see the Corollas values- its not pretending to be anything it isnt.

    ~alpha
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    I can't believe the Sentra was rated over the Corolla. I've recently driven both and the Corolla is so much nicer a car (except for engine power) it's not even close. The Sentra should be ranked low if only because it doesn't have a usable rear seat and all the other tested cars do--usually a big deal for 4-door sedan.
  • I just bought my second Toyota, a 2003 corolla LE. after having driven the new car for about 300 miles, I couldn't help but laugh as I read the recent Edmunds' review of the small sedans. mine is a manual LE with cruise, all weather and preferred package for $14300+tax. when I picked up my car, I was more than impressed with the interior materials, assembly and spaciousness. the car oozes quality construction from the closing of the doors, sound of the switch gears, superb tactile quality of the materials (with the exception of the seat fabric), lack of flexure in chassis over bumps and potholes and air-tight, muted (surprisingly quiet at highway speeds) cabin. it is amazing how much deep-down goodness and craftsmanship you can get in a $14000 car. the engine is responsive and vibration free (hard to tell if the engine is on at stop lights) and I have great deal more control over the engine with the 5-speed manual.
    so I read the Edmunds' review with fascination. certainly, corolla's clutch is more deliberate than civic's or Mazda's but is smooth and progressive; the shifter on a corolla, too, is more deliberate and damped but is still very accurate; the steering is vague but does not kick back or feels sloppy. I find my corolla quite entertaining in a small car way when I want to. other times when I would rather think about other things or not think at all, the corolla becomes a perfect, silent convenience that draws absolutely no attention to itself. so for Edmunds' to award a civic 58 (out of 100) more points over a corolla seems rather out of whack. I couldn't even find scores for ride, noise and vibration anywhere within the evaluation criteria. even the car and driver magazine rated a corolla better than a civic.
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Posts: 1,207
    I haven't read it. The only review that matters to me is the one I performed before I bought a Corolla. Interesting thing happened the other day, my wife thinks I am a "Toyota nut" and was less than happy that I insisted on buying a Corolla to replace our Corolla despite the availability of cheaper alternatives. Well, she had to drive one of the alternatives and when she got back it was a different story. Now she appreciates the difference and the fact that my TCO calculations (fitted to our particular circumstances rather than Edmunds average calculations) show that it is cheaper to own than the car she drove is just icing on the cake.
  • jazd2jazd2 Posts: 4
    Has anyone noticed that all Toyota cars seem to have the ugliest, most unattractive and hideous exhaust system of any car manufacturer. Starting from the muffler and moving forward, the pipe hangs down and bends at a 45 degree angle and then continues on. What is up with that atrocious design? Is anyone worried you are going to hang your car up on something? Can anyone explain why they do this? Everytime i am behind a Toyota, my eyes are drawn to this most unfortunate detail. It is easily visible when you see a Toyota driving down the road. What was even more unbelieveable was I saw a brand new Lexus the other day and I was astounded to see that it had the same unsightly exhaust. Yuck!!!! and shame on Toyota for blemishing their vehicles in such an obscene way. No other car manufacturer makes that design. Every time i point this out to someone, they are never the same and are also revolted by the design. I for one will never consider buying a Toyota until this is fixed!!!
    Comments?
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Posts: 1,207
    I for one will never consider buying a Toyota until this is fixed!!!

    You're joking right? No, I guess not since you have posted the same comment in a number of Toyota discussions.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I'm just jealous that you have the time and energy to care about such a minute detail. At least the stuff I rant and rave about has to do with safety (side airbags, ABS, etc.).

    ~alpha
  • simpaticasimpatica Posts: 4
    After weeks of researching several competing vehicles I have decided that the Corolla is by far the best vehicle for me. I just can't imagine allowing a tail pipe to change my opinion. But if that is what is most important to you then I guess I can understand.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    "Exhaust system design" was 25% of the score, wasn't it?

    ;-)
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    I just read this, too. My thoughts:

    These really are 'apples and oranges' cars they picked for the comparison. I mean, they have an Elantra with NO options compared to fully loaded Proteges, Civics and Corollas. Any wonder they rave about the price of the Elantra? Then they pick the Sentra with the 165-hp engine and marvel over its acceleration. Well, duh. Why didn't they get a GXE instead? There are other examples, but you get the idea. I know it's next to impossible to pick very similar cars, but this is a bit over the top.

    I think comparison tests should have a more strict set of parameters, e.g., all cars must have automatic transmission, power this and that and the base engine, OR all cars must have an MSRP between $16-17k, OR if you put XYZ in these cars, this is what you end up with. Something, anything, to 'level the playing field'.

    As an aside, it seems like they'd have to go out of their way to find a Corolla that costs almost $18k, most I see are $15-17k. Personally, I think the best value is to get an LE with a stick and almost no options.
  • simpaticasimpatica Posts: 4
    I agree. In fact I came to that same conclusion: the best value is an LE with a stick (Unless, of course, you will be sitting in trafic a lot; I may need to get an Automatic for my wife’s sake) and very few options like ABS. Perhaps take others’ advise by adding the leather package with cruise control.

    But why rely on other people’s comparisons? Several comparison tools are available to anybody. I started by comparing the Saturn Ion to comporable sedans: reviewing side-by-side specs and reading reviews written by car owners and critics. This is how I found the Corolla. It’s closest comparison seems to be the Civic (but that’s a different discussion board).

    The point is, we are all equiped with the tools to become informed ourselves, so we don’t need to rely on others to be informed for us. Afterall, some people place higher value on fuel economy, some on safety, and others place the greatest importance on the cosmetics of a tail pipe. Few critics are going to value the same thing you do. Everybody values something different and everybody has different needs; that’s why there are so many different vehicles. The last thing that I want is for everybody else to be driving a Corolla too!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    advertised all corolla LE automatics on the lot (12 total) at $14,8 last weekend. I think it is the S that is bringing in the highest prices for them.

    I have noticed that tailpipe thing on many Toyotas, but cannot imagine even remotely putting as much emphasis on it as the poster above.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    If the tailpipe hindered the car, Toyota wouldn't have used that design. We shouldn't always try to do the job of the engineers whose jobs are to perfect these designs before they are mass produced.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Are those the same engineers who worked on the ergonomics of the Corolla's driving position and its emissions control system? If so, I'd say they don't always perfect their designs before they are mass-produced. But then nobody's perfect--even Toyota.
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