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My other question is roughly how much has everyone been paying for the 2000 version of either trim? I will more then likely be buying and not leasing the vehicle. Thank you for the help=)
The 2000VE (gone for 2001) has the 3-speed, though it is available on the 2001 CE. All the 2000 CE and LE, and all the 2001 LE and S-automatic models, should be 4-speeds.
Whether you're willing to live with less refinement and a lower grade of fit and finish (Saturn) vs. the Toyota/Honda competition, is another matter. Some of us don't like squeaks and rattles (which just about every Saturn I've ever been in, has as standard equipment).
Saturn owners will find greater need for the service department than will Corolla owners, if past reliability history is an issue.
The other issue is a personal one - if you can live with the fit and finish of a Saturn, they're OK. I suspect most Corolla buyers could not do so.
As for Corollas legendary history, there are more Corollas in the world than any other vehicle. I grew up with a 79, 88 and 90 Corolla LE which all has given us 100% satisfaction. I miss my Corolla LE but my Avalon XLS continues the legacy.
The 93 in the family is approaching 100K - same thing.
A couple of relatives traded cars (one Honda Civic and one Toyota Tercel) for Saturns - and lived to regret it. They didn't realize what they had (i.e., visits to the service department scheduled at their convenience, not forced due to part failure) - and in refinement (both complained about the shabby quality of the Saturns, fit-and-finish wise).
To its credit, Saturns dealers are generally much better than Toyota and Honda's - but that is in part to make up for a product that isn't up to par. Daewoo is similar - they've won dealership-satisfaction awards, but the cars still aren't competitive with other automakers' offerings.
I simply gave one idea, nothing more, nothing less. I gave my opinion. There are some individuals in this room who shall remain nameless that made comments like.....
"Saturn owners will find greater need for the
service department than will Corolla owners, if
past reliability history is an issue".
And
" You get what you pay for and
cutting corners with a Saturn is a good example of
that".
Also
"(both complained about
the shabby quality of the Saturns, fit-and-finish"
I realize that the majority of these opinions are strictly that. Even thou I am not surprised at these comments, it leaves me dismayed in seeing the "Attitude" portrayed here. I was a once Toyota Celica owner, and I also owned a Nissan Sentra- Which both had problems. Many diehard Toyota fans don't want to hear that there cars have problems also. Mine had head gasket problems, faulty electrical issues, and annoying, costly, and un needed repairs.
No cars are perfect, my previous Toyota proved that. I once too had the attitude that Toyotas were the only car to buy, but realized by following that logic alot of other good, safe cars will be missed out on.
I am due to change cars in a while, and WAS considering a Corolla CE, as well as a Nissan Sentra GXE, and of course Saturn (all models). After seeing the thoughts/attitudes towards my seemingly harmless comments, it has left and utterly bitter taste in my mouth for the complete Toyota line. Granted, while I understand one's loyalty to a brand, I choose not to verbally attack anothers choice.
If owning a Japanese car again (mainly Toyota) means that I would stand for the kind of things some individuals in this room do, then I will definitly be buying american cars for life. Mainly, that little car from spring hill tenn. where you will always get down to earth people, with a smile!
If the sub-topic becomes a major difference, it warrant a topic of its own, but doesn't mean we kick out every single non-corolla owner out of here.
I'm surprised the topic is this active, last time I was here, only few ppl ever post here
I have a 2000 Corolla LE w/ Side Airbags & Automatic transmission. I purchased it in July and it really is a tremendous car. It is whisper quiet, has plenty of power, feels safe and rigid, and is very comfortable.
It is funny that a Corolla LE sells for around $14,000; whereas a Camry LE sells for around $20,000. There isn't much difference between the two, if you think about it: Besides the size difference, all the amenities are the same. Plus, the Camry has 135HP - The Corolla 125 HP. Pound for pound, the Corolla has more power and is faster. Dollar for Dollar, the Corolla is a steal.
For the money, Corolla is probably the best car on the market today.
Would not be surprised to see this engine need another 2-3k miles to be completely loose and broken in. Be patient.
Also, Japanese Corolla and U.S are not always different. For example, the 1996 version of the Japanese Corolla is pretty close to the 1998 Corolla. The 1.8L engine that U.S Corolla uses (1ZZ-FE) was also offered on the Japanese version. Whether that means the Japanese Corolla will carry over to the U.S for the next remodeling is still not certain, but I would say there is a good chance of that.
its all in japanese..but just put your mouse over the links and read the link descriptions when they pop up.
If you can get a new Accord for $16K, I'd say go for it. It will probably go up in value when you drive it off the lot.
Wenyue , remember me? What's this about an Accord without AC being impossible to sell? AC can always be added to the car later on. My friend bought a used 240SX several years ago without AC. He just took it to a dealer and he had one installed.
DX uses a cheaper, low compression engine. LX uses a better engine that makes more power.
LX has A/C, DX does not. It's very hard to sell a car without an A/C in the U.S. Even if you could sell it, the buyer would certaintly slash the price heavily, stating the lack of A/C as the main cause. You could add an A/C later at a dealership, but that would probably cost even more money (probably $1000 at least). So why not just get one with A/C to start with?
LX also has Power window/door lock. And if I'm not mistaken, it also has cruise control.
LX is far more popular than the DX version. So there is a bigger buyer market, making selling it much easier later.
Also, some of the extra cost of buying the LX is recovered with it's higher resale value.
I think all these things more than justify the purchase of $18K Accord LX over $16K DX. Just my 2 cents.
http://www1.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/CorollaSedan/exterior/images/ex01_vga.jpg
Now I found a picture of export version, which is more likely to be what the 2003 Corolla will be like, "IF" this picture is true.
http://www.geocities.com/busybeetoys/scoop/s26-corolla.jpg
You can tell there are some similiarites. But one for export seems to be more "square", less smooth lines and more hard edges like VW Jetta. And the color, in my opinion, is just god aweful! I like the Japanese version better. What do you all think?
This is all just rumor, and the picture might even be false. Just thought people might like to take a look for themselves.
http://www.geocities.com/busybeetoys/scoop/edn26.htm
The writer stated that export version of the Corolla is most likely for the U.S And it will debute in May 2001. This lend support to the rumor that the next generation Toyota Corolla will appear in the U.S next year as a 2002 model instead of the originally intended 2003 model.
Again, this not not concrete information. The writer got these picture and information from the Japanese car magazines.
When you argue resale value, you have to factor in the present value of a dollar vs. the future value. The present value is always worth more, since you can invest that dollar in lieu of spending it.
If you put $2000 in the bank and were unable to touch it for 5 or 10 years, would you be happy with getting just the $2000 back?
Something to consider.
95 Accord DX sedan, 5-spd manual, radio/tape (standard equip), no A/C, 60,000 miles (average), clean shape
Vs.
95 Accord LX sedan, 5-spd manual, radio/tape/cd (standard equip), A/C (standard), 60,000 miles (average), clean shape.
Difference in trade in price = $1,300
Difference in private party sale = $1,400
Difference in dealer retail = $1,800
Of course, the resale price alone will not justify the purchase of LX. But keep in mind that a car without A/C will probably be very hard to find a buyer. You will likely weed out the vast majorty of the buyers by not having an A/C (unless you live in Alaska).
So let's just take the difference, $2000 in initial purchase price - $1400 in resale value = $600 difference over 5 years of ownership.
Now during those 5 years, how much is it worth to drive a more powerful car? DX has 135 hp, LX has 150 hp. The difference in acceleration is definitly noticable, and LX even gets a little better gas milage. How much is 5 years of quickness worth?
How about the use of power window and door locks. LX has them standard, DX doesn't have them at all. So how much is the convience worth?
How about being able to listen to CDs? LX has CD player, DX does not. What's the worth of being able to listen to CD while you drive for those 5 years?
What about cruise control? LX has that too, DX does not. So how much is the comfortable highway driving worth?
Then there are the small things such as intermittent windshield wiper, and 8 way vs 4 way seat adjustment, ect...
I think these things, along with the ease of resale down the road should easily justify the $600 difference in resale value.
On paper, you are definitly getting more car for your money with the Accord LX, and that's why it's the most popular Accord trim. I think a person should definitly try to get the $2000 and opt for an LX, unless $2000 is just simply beyond the capability. Just my 2 cents. Buy what you will.
-The car is on a 5-year production cycle, and they just spent a modest amount of money on a facelift. Logic dictates that the next US Corolla will be here in calendar year 2002 as a model year 2003 car, and in fact, this is what all of the US publications are saying.
-The US Corolla is exclusively produced in North America, at both the NUMMI and Canadian plants. There are plans at the NUMMI plant to use the next Corolla platform as a shared basis for a small AWD car, to be sold as a Corolla for Toyota, and a Pontiac for GM. Engineering for these cars is under way, but unlikely to be complete for at least another year.
As for styling, all you need do is look at the Prius, the RAV4, the new Celica...all give you clues about where they are going: slanted fronts, big "eyes", and relatively slab slides, along with extra height for the sedans to give more room inside. All of these trends are evident in the new Japanese Corolla...just don't look for a new one here for at least another 18 months.
Toyota NA has its marketing hands full right now with all of the new trucks and trucklets, and will have the new Camry to digest in another 9-10 months...don't hold your breath on the new Corolla unless you are willing to stay blue until at least the second quarter of 2002.
This compares to the 2000 Corolla CE & LE choice I had to face. I chose the CE because I didn't really need the tachometer , cruise control, color side moldings. I figure the $$ saved could be used for my 1st year insurance & registration.
I agree with you regarding more maintenance problems with more accessories. With the problems come the inconvenience of having to make an appointment for the repair. Living in the Northwest, I would hate to have my window stuck in the open position because it could rain at any time.
wenyue,
On resale value, you're still not factoring in the time value of money. You have to factor in the interest rate and the inflation rate over the period of time. If we have $2,000 today, over a period of five years at an inflation rate of 3.6% and an interest rate of 6%, it is equivalent to $2,195.26 future dollars.
They expand their SUV platform to 5 models, just when auto sales are slowing down hard, and oil prices keep creeping up. The tundra is designed to challenge the big 3 pickup, but its undersized and overprice. The ECHO is a nice compact, but for some reason, reviewer hates it, and its tough to go against korean makes on the sub-compact, especially since value would more than likely be the greatest factor in there.
Same with the Corolla. I like the new design (if we ever gonna get it), but feel that is an immitation from the Focus/Jetta. Hopefully, the North American version will offer something unique with all the advantage of its Japanese/European counterpart.
Biggest misconception: Tundra copied Ford; it happened the other way.
Another misconception: Corolla copy any Ford or Jetta. If you want to see the new Corolla, imagine something between the Echo and Prius.
Is having a notably more powerful engine, better gas milage, A/C, power window, power door lock, cruise control, CD player, and other extra featurer in the LX over the next 5 years and a much easier time finding a buyer for your used car worth the $795.26 difference in value?
I would say say yes. But that's just my personal preference.
Now, the picture about the export version (if it is true) does seem to have lots of Jetta's styling cues. But that's because Jetta is often considered the best looking compact in the U.S right now. Well, I can't blame Toyota for want to get some of that.
5 SUV does seem to be a little much. I too wonder what Toyota is thinking. I can see why Toyota want to build the Highlander. After all, the RX300 is a huge success and the Highlander is going to hit big. RAV4 is needed for entry level, read "cheap", SUVs. Sequoia is needed for the Fullsize SUV competition with the big 3.
But that leaves Landcruiser and 4-Runner with little room.
I guess Toyota knows what they are doing. They are not the most well managed automaker for no reasons. And dispite all the big 3 are expecting sales decrease from last year, Toyota is expecting a sales increase counter to the market.
I dont know about misconception, I just speak out what I think, which is probably wrong anyway
I agree that MR2 and Celica fit their Niche real well, and the Prius is definite breakthrough against the oil-dependent car. Tomoco sure does cover their bases, something thats really impressive.
But I still think Tomoco can do better than the Tundra though, although I'm sure many will disagree. I'm curious why you said Ford copied the Tundra, when they release F-150 way before the Tundra ?
wenyue:
Can't blame them for wanting a piece of the cake, but I'm more concerned that this has become more than just that. Even in the flagship Lexus LS430 has simply copied over the Mercedes S-series stylewise (interior is different issue). I'm happy with my Toyota, but I don't want to drive something thats been copied over from something else in the future.
p.s: those interest dollars might as well be
negative returns if the $2000 is invested
in one of the dotcom. AC is a must in
the Southern States!!!
Dotcoms.... errh, don't talk about it. I was so high in the sky from the huge return my hightech portfolio gave me last year (99% growth), but now "dotcom" is almost a dirty word. Thanks to that, my portfolio has lost more than 4% this year so far. Errh...
I will add though that Toyota did most of their style copying the 70's and early 80's. For example, the first 2 generation Celicas were styled after the Ford Mustang. Then the next generation Celica (82-85) was unique.
A good question remains and maybe wenyue would like to give it a shot. Toyota is by far the biggest automaker of Japan. It has 5 divisions similiar to GM. My car, a 89 Corolla GT-S came out the same year in 88 as did the Mazda MX-6. With the exception of the pop-up headlights on my Corolla, the cars are styled almost identical. Did the Corolla come first and Mazda tried to copy it? It's like David copying Goliath. A more modern example might be how the new Camry looks awfully close to an Accord. This generation Camry came out first though.
I believe Toyota is on their own path like the Echo and the Prius, but will they styling theme carry the day. Come to think of it, you see some of the styling in the new Avalon.
I've never been an expert of truck/suv or even the auto industry, so I'm not aware of the stuff you just said. I am interested on pickup due to new hobby (in which the poor Corolla won't do) and the practicallity of it, and naturally I check on Toyota's product first.
Regarding style copying, I wish they set the trend instead of following one, but thats just a dream i guess
wenyue:
only down 4% ?? You haven't feel the pain yet buddy ^__^.
Always wondered why German's car command premium, while they're nothing more than a cab in their motherland (yeah, me talking bout MB).
If you need a Tacoma, its a little expensive, but they have multistyles like the new crew cab which kind of suprised me to be as big as it is, but the bed is awfully small. The Tacoma or like truck before it named Truck has always been assembled relative to the Corolla.
If your hobby requires a bigger bed or more towing capacity, a Tundra is great. The extended cab version is something not very desirable in comfort (I have a regular cab). I tow my camping trailer with mind and haul lots of stuff. I have the V6.
Both trucks have awesome 4 wheel drive systems, but the Tacoma is not as wide or as long and might be able to go more places.
As for german brand. Yes, I wonder about that too. Mercedes makes cabs and mini cars as well as their luxury cars in Europe. They are just like GM or Ford, making a full range of cars from cheap to expensive. The german brand seems to get alot more recognition in the U.S than they get back in their home country.
What I really don't understand is why VW command such a premium. I just don't get it! Since it's less capable and less reliable than the Toyota or Honda, the only way I would buy it is if VW is couple thousand dollars cheaper. But it's the other way around....
I did look at the Tacoma, but that was back before they come out with the crewcab. My problem with compact pickup is the lack of room for more than 2 passenger. Cant imagine squeezing friends in the jumper seats, but if you move to the crewcab, the bed becomes pretty much useless...and yes, the Tacoma is priced well over its competitor as well.
I didn't intend of towing anything, but will do some hauling and definitely some off-roading as well. I guess in that case, 4x4 is a definite must?
The Tundra Extended cab on the other hand offer decent room on the backseat and the bed is still usefull. and boy, it rides much much better than what I ever expected from a truck
Oh well, more thing to consider. I havent even looked at the BIG 3 offering yet, except for some ride in friend's Silverado, F-150 & Ranger. They do offer advantages in prices/value. But looking at the pickup board, all of them have their share of problems.
wenyue:
Family used to have a VW Beetle. Its a competent little compact with less problem than the usual VW. thats the only VW we ever owned so I dont know much more than the Beetle. What I can say is that German car seems more geared toward the sporty side and driver's experience. Much more than Honda. The quality of the interior seem quite impressive as well.
Having said that, would I trade my Corolla for a VW Golf? Hehe, N E V E R!!! ^__^
I don't think a Golf is a worthy adversary for Corolla, and the Jetta is way too expensive to be in the same category with Corolla. Its more expensive than even the Civic.
And you still do good in your portfolio. Myself has sustained more than 15% losses YTD, and I know ppl that lose more than half their money.....
Good thing we still a few decades from retirement eh? ^__^