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  • canccanc Posts: 715
    I had the opportunity to sit in a new, fully loaded, Corolla LE with leather last month. My dealership had it in the showroom, so I tried it out. I was surprised how much headroom there is compared to my previous Corolla. The leather is great, and is not the "leatherette" found in VWs. It also had the electrochromic mirror (in a Corolla?) and chrome door handles, plus wood trim. It honestly looked like a little Lexus. I didn't sit in a new Corolla with cloth seats yet, but from what I could tell, this one had very supportive seats. The gauges though are a bit slanted compared to the previous gen. Corolla, and so I had to get used to it a bit. There's also a bit less leg room, but is insignificant.

    An all-around great car that would beat the pants off a Civic EX.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Can anyone explain the scarcity of the 2003 Corolla right now? Between the 3 dealerships closest to my house, there are about 10 TOTAL in inventory shown online. When called, one said the online listing was a day old and they actually were completely out for the moment. THIS IS CRAZY-its a compact mainstream sedan! Are suppliers not able to keep up, is there just too much demand- what is going on? Prices need to come down from MSRP, even carsdirect.com is listing the Corolla OVER MSRP and its been on the market nearly 6 months already.
    I'm not in the market, but I do think its a great car- but worth ordering at MSrP- I find hard to believe.
    ~alpha

    btw- The dealers have more Matrices on the lots than Corollas.
  • A follow-up to my previous post. While I
    was very relieved that they didn't have
    to disassemble the dashboard, I have been
    thinking about this. Now I really don't
    know about the mechanicals of cars.
    A strut is like part of the suspension
    working with the shocks..right ? :-)

    Maybe someone can help me out here but
    do "strut top mounts" normally make contact
    with other vehicle parts..like fenders ?
    Maybe there was some foam there initially
    to cushion this. I'm just concerned that
    there shouldn't be any rubbing at all
    with or without a foam cushion. Any opinions ?

    thanks
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    I took a look at the mounting position on the struts on our '03 LE. There is a lip around the sheet metal of the body opening where the strut top is located that, if things were moving ever so slightly under stress, I could see might make some noise. There already is some foam there at the side that faces the dash - this is very hard to describe in the absence of a diagram - and it's possible that the REAL solution was just loosening and then retightening the bolts that hold the strut to the body, which they presumably had to do. Anyway, it is not beyond belief that this could be the source of some of the otherwise unexplainable noises from what seems like the dash area.

    Ours, as I have said repeatedly, does not have any such noises, so this is all speculation on my part. It just wouldn't surprise me if the techs in your case made a little discovery that might apply more widely.
  • I agree..I wonder if there was a tech bulletin
    on this one. When I made the appointment,
    I asked the service advisor if there was a tech
    bulletin for dashboard problems and she said
    there wasn't, although this wouldn't be under
    that category. :-)
  • While I was waiting for delivery of my Corolla
    back in May, I would drive to the dealers lot,
    and the back lot where the new arrivals are
    kept a couple of times a week, just to see
    if there were any sitting around. They only
    have one LE at the dealer for test drives
    and i have never seen any others on the
    main lot. The ones that would arrive in
    the back lot were always gone the next
    time I went ! They seem to either be
    pre-sold or sell immediately after they
    arrive. :-) That has not changed even
    now in late July. They must be selling
    like hotcakes..I do remember reading that
    Toyota was going to be assembling them
    in Japan and shipping them over because
    the US/Canadian plants can't keep up.

    While I'm sure they can be had for under
    MSRP, I wouldn't be holding my breath
    for any rebates or low interest rate loans. :-)
  • jmaterojmatero Posts: 253
    I live in Westchester, NY and there are few if any on the roads around here. On top of that, I've been to 5 dealers now (2 in Connecticut) and there are NONE on the lots. None... not even one to look at or test drive. None. I asked and the answer is always the same.. 'We can't keep them in... and the ones coming in are spoken for'. That being the case, I'm sure they're going for retail+. However, the lots are FILLED with Matrix vehicles. They are even marked down on some lots. That being the case, Civics and Elantras are selling for way under invoice, have the first year bugs worked out and have low financing so while I would love to even TEST DRIVE a corolla, I think it's out of the question. I've read on a number of sites including this one and carpoint.com that there have been a number of quality issues with the body and dash along with unexplained noises driving owners nuts so a second year buy is probably the way to go anyway.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    One of the reasons was the "look". THe integrated design of the 1997, gave it a more upscale, high quality look to it.

    alpha is also correct in the 1997 side impact standards, which as why, according to Toyota they dropped the wagon in 1997.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    I think it is clear that Toyota has seriously underestimated demand for the Corolla, or more likely, between them and GM, overestimated demand for the VibeTrix. On the West Coast, Corollas are not as scarce, but compared to what I would expect for inventories, there is a noticeable lack of Corollas, and a noticeable surplus of Matrices.

    Once again, I suspect that the American public just refuses to behave the way the marketing gurus think they will or should. This business of chasing the next hot trend is always a dicey affair, and in particular, pandering to the age group that everyone "wants" is bound to leave some products out in the cold. Nobody seems to want me as a customer [56, car nut, buys and trades frequently, but likes a lot of different cars, not just what "boomers" are supposed to like], so my opinion can hardly matter...but here it is, anyway: the new Corolla is the class of this class, and after 5 months of ownership, the decision feels better every day.

    I haven't driven a MatVibe, because I hate the way the Matrix looks with the silly "mandatory option" ground effects, and the tests I've read in any case suggest the ride is too rocky for my tastes. But I sure like the idea, and the first manufacturer that makes a true wagon in this class the combines the refinement of the current Corolla with a hatch body is going to get my money. Unfortunately, the Matrix is not it, and I think the market is already speaking...
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Your posts are always a delight to read. Informative, insightful, unbiased and seemingly written as if you had an MLA handbook in your cerebrum somwhere.

    Thanks
    Joe
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...f--- with a lot of very expensive experience...
  • rsparrowrsparrow Posts: 60
    ...What do you think of the current Corolla hatchback models available in the UK?


    http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/frame_start.jsp?id=200_NCSTR_COROLLA

    Sometimes I wish they would just bring those over here.

  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...would be my model of choice, if it were only offered here.

    Speaking of misplaced marketing, and how wrong they can be on these matters, rumor has it that the IST will be one of the cars coming in next year as part of the Scion startup. I would love to try one of these - a 3 or 5-door hatch, just a bit smaller than the Corolla, very handsome and with a good range of engines [at least in Japan]. Now I'm supposed to be too old and stodgy to be interested in this car, and I guess I'll have to wear earplugs to get past the rap music in the Scion area of the dealership, but if the IST is part of the Scion lineup, I want to try it.

    This is not to be confused with the perfectly silly BBX rolling phone booth, which will be the other Scion car, and I predict, a total bust with every demographic.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...I notice that the EU Corolla won the annual award from What Car? magazine [the link above] in the UK. This mag is a sort-of cross between Consumer Reports and Car & Driver in the UK, and their opinion matters to a lot of people.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/ist/


    This is the link to the Japanese Toyota site that shows the IST. Ignore the Japanese script and navigate around the site, and you'll get some good indications of what the car looks like and the Japanese market engine choices.

    They get 1.3 and 1.5 liter engines, but rumor has it that the 1.8 from the Corolla / MatVibe will easily fit and could be the powertrain that will be offered in the USA.


    Anyway, in the absence of a proper Corolla hatch, this looks like an interesting alternative to me, if it actually shows up next year in the Scion lineup.

  • canccanc Posts: 715
    Canada won't get Scion cars... :(
  • I just took my 1999 Corolla into the dealership for an oil change. The dealer rep told me to have the 30k check up at a cost of around $480.00 bucks. Should I get this service or wait until a later mileage? (this is a leased vehicle)

    thanks

    Andy
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    wait on it. If anything they'll replace the spark plugs, if they are not platinum plugs, and the air filter.
  • canccanc Posts: 715
    WHAT?! What will they do for that amount? I'd be interesting to know. Is this regular maintenance or do you have anything more to do on the car that would add to the price?

    I know that my Mom's 2000 Corolla has iridium spark plugs that only need to be changed every 196,000 kms. (not miles, but that's a long time anyway), so the spark plugs shouldn't need to be changed.

    I also know that some dealers in the US have "internet coupons" you can print out and apply as discounts on your service visits. Maybe that'll bring the price down a bit.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    At 30,000 miles on a '99, just replace PCV valve, air filter, flush and refill cooling system, and replace spark plugs. That's it. Even if you had the dealer do all this for you, it shouldn't be over $200. Even if you are not mechanically inclined, replacing the air filter and PCV valve is REALLY easy, no tools required. If automatic transmission, replace transmission fluid (add another $60).
  • canccanc Posts: 715
    I don't even think changing the spark plugs is even necessary at this point. Like I said in my previous posts, the Corolla uses iridium spark plugs.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    Iridium hasn't introduced to the Toyota enigne lineup until MY 2000. Chances are, he may be running copper or platinum. There should be a sticker in the engine compartment which tells you what kind of plug is in the car.

    if the first letter part number (Denso) starts with an "I", it's iridum. "P" means platinum. If there's only one letter, then a number, it's copper.
  • canccanc Posts: 715
    How different are Denso made parts compared to, let's say, Delco (GM)? The reason why I'm asking is if a Toyota ever stalls on the side of the road, and the Toyota dealership is 6000 miles away, but there's a GM dealer around the corner, would it matter much to have GM/Delco parts rather than Denso?
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    1999's have copper plugs - should be changed at 30,000 miles.
  • canccanc Posts: 715
    thanks mcdawgg!
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    Don't know the how the Delco spark plugs are. They may be found in the Prizm and the Vibe, but I'm not sure about this.

    The copper plugs Toyota uses (from Denso, which Toyota partly owns), are the "U" groove. The Accel U-groove performance plugs sold in autoparts stores are very similar.
  • canccanc Posts: 715
    What about other parts?
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    Everynow and then, since the NUMMI days, you'll find some AC Delco parts make its way into Corollas.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    The second to last generation of the Tercel in some countries was known as the "Corolla Tercel" with "Corolla" printed in a small size above the "Tercel."
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    The tercel was originally called the (Corolla) Tercel in the US.
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