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2011 Toyota Avalon

kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
edited September 22 in Toyota
If a brand-new 2011 Avalon is coming in February or March, the dealers should be getting their order books this month. Anyone hear of a factory shutdown to retool? Any news?
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  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    Well, if there is a new Avalon in the works for March, I've never seen such a well-kept secret. Don't hold your breath! Looks like Toyota is going to give this market to the Buick Lacrosse and Ford Taurus.
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,290
    Looks like Toyota is going to give this market to the Buick Lacrosse and Ford Taurus

    kenb, you are so right, take a look below at the dwindling sales year after. Add the Hyundai Genesis to this market and suddenly the Avalon is out-classed.


    Calendar year-- US sales
    2000 --104,078
    2001 --83,005
    2002 --69,029
    2003 --50,911
    2004 --36,460
    2005 --95,318
    2006 --88,938
    2007 --72,945
    2008 --42,790
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Looking at the chart you show basically is what happens to cars over time. In 2000 the Avalon was all new and sales were high then by 04 (the end of that generation, sales dropped). Then in '05 sales were strong with the redesign and gradually started falling. If the Avalon does get a redesign sales will increase. Don't forget about $4.00 a gallon gas in this as well. Large cars and SUVs took huge hit while everyone was flocking to smaller vehicles.

    Add the Hyundai Genesis to this market and suddenly the Avalon is out-classed.

    FWIW I have an '09 Genesis that I leased when my '06 Avalon came off lease. Its a good car but IMO the Avalon more than holds its own. I would most likely be in another Avalon if the '09 had been different from my '06.

    Happy Holidays!

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • finfin atlantaPosts: 589
    How about a quick real world gas mileage comparison on the Genesis and Avalon...based on your type driving, city and highway. Gotta admit the Genesis looks good... but gas prices are important to consider, for me anyway. Thanks.

    Happy Holidays to all..........
  • I talked to a local Toyota dealer: they said to see an all-new Avalon at either NAIAS or Chicago.

    Also, the exterior/interior colors have been (probably mistakenly) revealed on the web: http://www.myride.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/action/Colors/series_id_int- /62367

    There will be only two trim levels this time: Avalon (base) and Avalon Limited (no XL/XLS/Limited). Although the specs, photos, and pricing are mainly placeholders from the 2010 model for now, I don't expect it to stay that way for long.

    There will be three new colors:
    -Cypress Pearl (Avalon exclusive dark green)
    -Sizzling Crimson Mica (Avalon exclusive bright red)
    -Zephyr Blue Metallic (Avalon exclusive; similar to Blue Mirage Metallic)

    Familiar colors Black, Blizzard Pearl, Classic Silver Metallic, Cocoa Bean Metallic, Magnetic Gray Metallic, and Sandy Beach Metallic will stay.

    Three interior color choices will be:
    -Black (Black/Bordeaux on Limited)
    -Ivory
    -Light Gray

    I wonder what else will be new? New engine? New interior appointments? Maybe it will be a hybrid across the line?
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    How about a quick real world gas mileage comparison on the Genesis and Avalon

    The Avalon has a slight advantage over the Genesis. My driving is almost all city or heavy/gridlock highway. The Avalon was good for 20.5 - 21.5 over the entire time I owned it. The Genesis is about 1 mpg lower overall (19.5- 20.5). On a long highway trip at 75-80 the Avalon had no problem with 29-30 the Genesis is around high 27s to 28. Having said that my Genesis only has 7300 miles and my long highway trip was with under 4000 on the clock.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • Interesting comments. Anyone who is interested in a comfortable, roomy, automobile like the Avalon might buy the Ford Taurus, but certainly not the Buick Lacrosse, because the rear seat/trunk room is just not there.

    As tjc posts, the Genesis is possibly in the same class as the Avalon, but certainly not way out in front.

    My opinion is that the Avalon is not dead just yet.
  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    To me, the problem of room is not in the rear seat, but in the front. Both the Taurus and Lacrosse have huge (read wide) center consoles that cut way down on horizontal knee room. The Avalon seems to have more room leg width wise. Maybe this should be a dimension that is listed in standard specifications. I wouldn't buy any car that I can't get comfortable in and these two are examples, along with the CTS and XKF. Lacrosse and Taurus need a bench seat option to be competitive. On the other hand the current Lucerne and DTS have ample room here even with the console.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Ok folks, here is your chance to let folks know what you'd like to see for the 2011 Avalon:

    - Color(s)
    - Models / Style
    - Size
    - Engine choice(s)
    - Rounder, taller, shorter, fatter, longer …
    - Options packages
    - Are there any cars you'd like to see it look similar to?
    - Interior options
    - Exterior options
    - Tire / Wheel options
    - Price ranges

    I for one, REALLY like something like this:

    - http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/03/27/for-japan-only-2009-toyota-crown-majesta-un- veiled/

    or this …

    - http://www.modernracer.com/news/toyota-crown-majesta-rocks-japan-with-rear-cente- r-airbag/538/

    Now they WILL need to come up with something like this, but not at the $39,000.00 or higher price.

    A base line and up model will be needed. Let the consumer decide how much they want to spend. This is something they already do, so I don't see them changing.

    I for one, would love to see a special logo / medallion for the Avalon.

    In any case, let's get started folks …

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  • I don't need much more than my XLS already has, but there are a few things that I'd like, if the price didn't go too high:

    1. The option of a heated steering wheel. These are fantastic in the winter because they eliminate the need to wear gloves. Nissan can do it, why not Toyota?
    2. Xenon lights as standard equipment on all models.
    3. An HVAC system that doesn't think it is smarter than I am.
    4. An all-wheel drive option.

    I'd also like the separate options to be available across model lines instead of putting them all in the Limited model. I suppose the days when you could pick and choose individual options are gone forever, but I miss them, because I don't like paying for option groups that contain stuff I don't want or, in Toyota's case, having to buy an entire "upgraded" model to get something I want.

    As for standard equipment I could do without, they could do away with the reclining rear seats and that stupid lid over the audio system.
  • yankeryanker Posts: 156
    The XLS would be fine. Add rain sensing wipers and a hybrid The Lexus hs? new one is nice but too expensive for a reworked Corolla or Avensis
  • I'm sure the 2011 Avalon will be changed, but I have a 2007 Avalon XL with leather, heated seats and the metallized interior trim. It's personal preference I know, but I love this vehicle. I have no need for funky wood interior trim, navigation, all wheel or rear wheel drive, Xenon lights, or anything more than 16" Bridgestones on nice alloy wheels.

    The HVAC controls could probably be simplified, and the tranny could use slightly different logic (the 6-speed may be better), but I challenge folks to find a more comfortable, roomy, vehicle that gets an honest 30 MPG on the road, and sells for just over $30K.

    As a senior retiree who has owned everything from a 1940 Ford sedan delivery street rod, 1961 Chevy Impala hardtop (4 speed of course), 1965 Mustang fastback, thru station wagons, minivans, pickups, V6 Camry XLS, etc., the Avalon is probably the best vehicle for the price that I have ever owned.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I have a 2007 Avalon XL with leather, heated seats

    Were they dealer added? When I got my '06 the XL wasn't available from the factory that way.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • djb8djb8 Posts: 3
    I have a 2006 Avalon XLS with 62,000 kilometeres on it.
    The trunk lid sometimes opens by itself when the weather is hot and humid, or when it rains. When the lid opens, I hear the beep just like when I use the Fob. Sometimes I can't get the lid to stay closed until I start the car. The dealer does not seem to know how to correct this.
    Has anyone else had this problem?

    Thanks.
  • Brochures for 07 did not show them either, but my dealer said no problem, he could get an XL with heated leather. When my vehicle was delivered, the window sticker had Distributor Installed Option, code L2 Leather interior Upgrade with code HS Heated Seats.

    The vehicle came from Gulf States Toyota to Mississippi dealer.
  • USA Today reported prior to the Detroit Auto Show that Toyota is launching a new version of an existing Toyota at the Chicago Auto Show as part of Toyota's product strategy.

    Toyota plans 10 vehicle launches over next year

    Quote from article: "At the Chicago Auto Show, the company will introduce a refreshed version an existing product -- yes, Toyota is being that coy."

    Why so secretive? We here know, and I know from one of the local Toyota dealers, that it's the fourth-generation Avalon that's being unveiled in Chicago. If Toyota's being so secretive about this new Avalon (not a spy shot in sight... we saw spy shots of the new Sienna 6 months in advance of the unveiling), chances are that it's a very big deal and they don't want the Detroit 3 and (especially) Hyundai to know. They have tougher competition than ever to face. But we'll know for sure on Feb. 10th or 11th (Chicago Auto Show press days).

    Lastly, why Chicago? The Chicago Auto Show has special significance for the Avalon... the 1st-generation 1995 Avalon was unveiled there at the 1994 show, and IIRC, the Chicago Region for Toyota Motor Sales (IL/IN/WI/MN) is one of the strongest in sales for the Avalon. You rarely see incentives on Avalons there unlike other areas ;)
  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    Recently received a 2009 Avalon brochure from Toyota. Was expecting a 2010. Did Toyota print any 2010 Avalon brochures? If not, this may indicate a big change very shortly.
  • As if we didn't know enough already...

    "Toyota, meanwhile, launched its redesigned Sienna minivan at the Los Angeles show late last year. But the schedule calls for a styling update for the Avalon sedan, which is a Chicago candidate."

    Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100119/CHICAGO/100119900#ixzz0dCGDk51P
  • I ran into this on autoweek.com:

    "With all of Toyota's trials and tribulations, the company said it still plans to hold a press conference at the Chicago auto show, scheduled for Feb. 10 at 10 a.m. Toyota officials told AutoWeek they are "still working on the details.""

    Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100201/CHICAGO/100209986#ixzz0ela6dMiS

    This was on 2/1, and on the Chicago Auto Show website today, Toyota still has a press conference scheduled for 2/10 at McCormick Place. I'm wondering if we'll still see the 2011 Avalon, or if it will be a 2011 Tacoma mid-cycle refresh (Taco production is moving from NUMMI to TMMTX in April - a refresh is likely)? Or maybe it will simply be a mea culpa/"we apologize for the floor pedal and 2010 Prius brakes mess" press conference with no new product, and they save the new cars for New York (no pun intended). Who knows.

    I see Toyota's Chicago dilemma like this: They're in a catch-22 right now... do you damage your brand and make yourself Leno/Letterman/Stewart/Colbert fodder by introducing new cars during a crisis, or do you make :lemon: ade out of :lemon: s and repair your image by showing off new, better cars with a "wow factor" during that same crisis?
  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    The comedians are gonna do what they're gonna do, regardless of what Toyoda does. I vote for introducing the '11 Avalon in ShyTown next week. The probs are being taken care of, albeit after a few hand grenades were tossed into the executive suites in Torrance and Tokyo to wake up the 'memo writers'. I don't know what the hell Toyoda is doing in Nagoya instead of being here in the new world. Hope he realizes this is where much of his bread and butter is, and he should get his bony [non-permissible content removed] over here; Lentz isn't cutting it, even with his sleeves rolled up and tie loosened in some dealership talking to mechanics (along with his entourage). Now if they can throw a few bones to the dog and pony show being put on by the politicians, maybe some good will come out of all of these theatrics on the news, like for instance some serious rebates to cash paying customers to buy some cars. The sharks at GM and Hyundai are already doing it.

    If I knew the Avalon would be in Chicago next week, I'd drive the 1,000 miles to be there. I sent an email to the company asking about it and, not surprisingly, haven't gotten a response. What'll be in Chicago is turning out to be a better kept secret than D-Day was. Anyone going to ShyTown?
  • The Detroit Free Press (about as credible a news source in the auto world as you can get) said today that yes, Toyota is launching the new 2011 Avalon at the Chicago Auto Show tomorrow.

    "Toyota, awash with bad news, hopes to draw some positive attention with a new version of its Avalon large sedan."

    Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20100209/COL14/2090332/1001/news/Automakers-seek-sp- otlight-in-Chicago

    Boy, Toyota kept the lid so tight on this one. It must be something special for them to keep it so secret... even Brenda Priddy & Co. hasn't seen the '11 Avalon like she did with the new Sienna and 4Runner.
  • Here it is:

    http://www.insideline.com/toyota/avalon/2011/2011-toyota-avalon-gets-conservativ- e-makeover-2010-chicago-auto-show.html

    No significant exterior changes, just a few modifications to the front and back. Interior dash looks redesigned, based on the one single picture shown through the windshield.

    I have to say that I was expecting a more significant change!
  • Gulf States Toyota is in a league of their own. They are not connected with any other "Toyota" regions in the US. They are a region of their own, therefore, they have different builds than the rest.
  • More pictures here: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100210/CHICAGO/100209911

    I got everything I wanted: xenon, LED, USB, and it looks like they may have done away with the lid over the radio controls. I am also glad that they didn't change the exterior much. A great car gets even better.
  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    Guess we'll have to wait until next year's Chicago show to see the "new" Avalon. I'm sorry they dropped the XLS model, but they may have figured with only the Base and Limited some of the XLS stuff switched onto the Base would justify a higher price. At least they didn't change the side windows design to make it look like a coupe. I'd like to go to Shytown to sit in one but my hunch is the doors are locked and the pretty girls don't have any info on the specs. Ah well, it'll be available in April.

    Meanwhile, at least the Toys don't have exploding air bags like their well known rival - the BIG H. (and H doesn't stand for Korean. Do any of the conspiracy freaks really think Obama's gang is behind these thunderous Japanese car recalls?)
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Well the proof will be in;

    - seeing one up-close,
    - sitting in one up-close
    - driving one up-close
    - pricing up-close
    - I'll be stopping by in April to take a look and drive.

    I'll also be waiting to read reports online as they become available. This will hold me over until I test drive one.

    It isn't as much of a change as I was hoping for, (I was hoping for a COMPLETELY New Body Style) and I think we are stuck with this for 3 or 4 years, so we better get use to it - for now.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    My 06 Avalon came off lease last year. I really loved that car and was a little upset that the 09 and upcoming 10 were pretty much carry over from the 06. I was going to wait until the 11 Avalon was introduced (just drive my s10 for a while) and am kinda glad I didn't. No HP bump (why not the 2GR FSE from the IS350???), relatively same exterior and a refreshed interior. I do like my Genesis but miss the plush ride of the Avalon. Oh well, maybe by the time the Genesis comes off lease the Avalon will be different than my 06 was.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I must admit, I will likely be looking at other cars to get this year, but not sure what at this time.

    I'll drive and look some over BEFORE the 2011 Avalon hits the showroom floors, and then drive the Avalon.

    I'll try and find a nice low milage, late model LAS 460 (L) if possible.

    The maybe take a look at Infinity's, but will likely end up back at the Toyota dealer picking up a new Avalon:)
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