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2011 Toyota Avalon

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  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    The comedians are gonna do what they're gonna do, regardless of what Toyoda does. I vote for introducing the '11 Avalon in ShyTown next week. The probs are being taken care of, albeit after a few hand grenades were tossed into the executive suites in Torrance and Tokyo to wake up the 'memo writers'. I don't know what the hell Toyoda is doing in Nagoya instead of being here in the new world. Hope he realizes this is where much of his bread and butter is, and he should get his bony [non-permissible content removed] over here; Lentz isn't cutting it, even with his sleeves rolled up and tie loosened in some dealership talking to mechanics (along with his entourage). Now if they can throw a few bones to the dog and pony show being put on by the politicians, maybe some good will come out of all of these theatrics on the news, like for instance some serious rebates to cash paying customers to buy some cars. The sharks at GM and Hyundai are already doing it.

    If I knew the Avalon would be in Chicago next week, I'd drive the 1,000 miles to be there. I sent an email to the company asking about it and, not surprisingly, haven't gotten a response. What'll be in Chicago is turning out to be a better kept secret than D-Day was. Anyone going to ShyTown?
  • The Detroit Free Press (about as credible a news source in the auto world as you can get) said today that yes, Toyota is launching the new 2011 Avalon at the Chicago Auto Show tomorrow.

    "Toyota, awash with bad news, hopes to draw some positive attention with a new version of its Avalon large sedan."

    Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20100209/COL14/2090332/1001/news/Automakers-seek-sp- otlight-in-Chicago

    Boy, Toyota kept the lid so tight on this one. It must be something special for them to keep it so secret... even Brenda Priddy & Co. hasn't seen the '11 Avalon like she did with the new Sienna and 4Runner.
  • Here it is:

    http://www.insideline.com/toyota/avalon/2011/2011-toyota-avalon-gets-conservativ- e-makeover-2010-chicago-auto-show.html

    No significant exterior changes, just a few modifications to the front and back. Interior dash looks redesigned, based on the one single picture shown through the windshield.

    I have to say that I was expecting a more significant change!
  • Gulf States Toyota is in a league of their own. They are not connected with any other "Toyota" regions in the US. They are a region of their own, therefore, they have different builds than the rest.
  • More pictures here: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100210/CHICAGO/100209911

    I got everything I wanted: xenon, LED, USB, and it looks like they may have done away with the lid over the radio controls. I am also glad that they didn't change the exterior much. A great car gets even better.
  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    Guess we'll have to wait until next year's Chicago show to see the "new" Avalon. I'm sorry they dropped the XLS model, but they may have figured with only the Base and Limited some of the XLS stuff switched onto the Base would justify a higher price. At least they didn't change the side windows design to make it look like a coupe. I'd like to go to Shytown to sit in one but my hunch is the doors are locked and the pretty girls don't have any info on the specs. Ah well, it'll be available in April.

    Meanwhile, at least the Toys don't have exploding air bags like their well known rival - the BIG H. (and H doesn't stand for Korean. Do any of the conspiracy freaks really think Obama's gang is behind these thunderous Japanese car recalls?)
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Well the proof will be in;

    - seeing one up-close,
    - sitting in one up-close
    - driving one up-close
    - pricing up-close
    - I'll be stopping by in April to take a look and drive.

    I'll also be waiting to read reports online as they become available. This will hold me over until I test drive one.

    It isn't as much of a change as I was hoping for, (I was hoping for a COMPLETELY New Body Style) and I think we are stuck with this for 3 or 4 years, so we better get use to it - for now.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,023
    My 06 Avalon came off lease last year. I really loved that car and was a little upset that the 09 and upcoming 10 were pretty much carry over from the 06. I was going to wait until the 11 Avalon was introduced (just drive my s10 for a while) and am kinda glad I didn't. No HP bump (why not the 2GR FSE from the IS350???), relatively same exterior and a refreshed interior. I do like my Genesis but miss the plush ride of the Avalon. Oh well, maybe by the time the Genesis comes off lease the Avalon will be different than my 06 was.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I must admit, I will likely be looking at other cars to get this year, but not sure what at this time.

    I'll drive and look some over BEFORE the 2011 Avalon hits the showroom floors, and then drive the Avalon.

    I'll try and find a nice low milage, late model LAS 460 (L) if possible.

    The maybe take a look at Infinity's, but will likely end up back at the Toyota dealer picking up a new Avalon:)
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    The Genesis was a car I was considering, and maybe I'll give it another try?

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  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,023
    The Genesis is a great car. Interior is top notch (great materials/fit-n-finish) and IMO is one good looking car. However, if you like the plush ride of the Avalon you may not be happy with it. It rides firm and is RWD which makes it a better handling car than the Avalon. The 3.8 V6 in the Genesis is more than adequate in terms of performance, however not as refined as Toyota's 2GR V6. FE is very similar to the Avalon, loosing about 1 MPG overall. Interior room is pretty similar, although the Avalon wins in the back seat due to the nearly flat floor (the Gen has a hump).

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Well I have the Touring Edition, and it's ride is not like the limited.

    I'll be looking forward to comparing, as I do a lot of long drives (I have 35,000 miles on the car and it just turned 12 months old), and there are times that the stiff ride of the Touring model is not what I'd like. But I must admit, I'm only comparing what folks say, as I've not driven anything but the Touring model, as it was the last Avalon on the lot when I purchased it.

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  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,023
    I came from an XLS model (same ride as Limited) so the Genesis is noticeably firmer. I drove a Touring but that is almost 4 years ago now, I remember it being firmer than the XLS but coudn't make a fair comparison to the Genesis as I don't remember it well enough.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,703
    New updated look is nice. But, this model design is getting pretty old now. They have refreshed it a couple times now. This being the most updated so far.

    Still a classy looking car. But, getting a little old.
  • ncee,

    If you like the ride and the room of Avalon and the Lexus, I don't think you will buy an Infiniti. I had three I30/I35s before they were discontinued. I tried to like the M series, but found the suspension to be too stiff and the interior too cramped. They also had them geared for performance and the gas mileage suffered. Being so enamored with the sales of the sporty G series, they obviously decided to move the entire brand toward performance and away from luxury (although the price also went up). This was in 2007. They may have fixed the gearing situation, but I am now so happy with the Avalon that I wouldn't go back.
  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    Good conversation here! Last fall I began shopping for a full size, plush sedan that rode like one, not a wanna be Lamborghini. Drove the Buick Lucerne, Caddy STS, Hyundai Genesis, Acura TL, Lexus ES350, Ford Taurus. Compared to the '10 Toy XLS none of them quite measured up to what I wanted. Buick & Caddy came the closest in interior luxury & smooth ride but I wanted to use regular gas, & each of them had other 'shortcomings'. The TL handled really like a sports car which was fun to drive but the ride was too harsh. Lexus & Ford were OK but neither interior was as rich as the XLS. Additionally many of these cars have the sloping rear side glass which I hate because you can't see out of the passenger side rear window for traffic. Genesis was a close second on my list but the ride, floor hump in back seat, & charcoal colored dashboard top regardless of the interior color stood out like a sore thumb.

    Prices were another aggravation. Caddy, Acura, Lexus, & Genesis dealers would hardly budge from the MSRP; no way Caddy is worth $15,000 more than an XLS. Lexus is a nice car but not a serious contender to the mid-level Lexus.

    So like the rest of you I'm stuck on dead center again. I started looking at the Genesis again last night, the warranty is terrific. Like my wife said, get something, anything, because nothing will be exactly what you want anyway. (sigh)
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,023
    I can tell you since I have owned both the Avalon and the Genesis that you probably couldn't go wrong with either one. The Genesis wins on interior materials, handling, and quietness. The Avalon wins on engine refinement (when compared to Hyundai's V6), rear seat room (no hump), and has a softer ride (if that's your thing some feel that is a negative on the Avalon).

    Gas mileage is very similar (1 MPG less overall in Genesis) and so far after a little more than 9000 miles mine has been flawless.

    As for getting a good deal, I leased my Genesis under invoice before a 1,000 rebate. The dealers will negotiate now. If you are thinking Avalon I would most certainly wait for the 2011, of course though at first getting a good deal will be tough as dealers will want top dollar for the first few they get in stock.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    Yes, I like a softer ride; I don't take many sharp turns at 50 mph. Still I like a more powerful engine because here in Denver the mountain roads require plenty of horsepower.

    I had ordered a '10 XLS two months ago but after the recalls began that's the last I've heard about it. I've cancelled that order. I was looking quickly at the Hyundai Azera online today, and while it's said to be a large car I don't know if it's in the same league as the Genesis. Anyone else want to talk about cars you're considering now besides the Avalon?
  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    edited February 2010
    The news release:

    http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/document/2011_Avalon_Product_Info.pdf?- - - - ncid=11092

    and this:

    http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/Chicago-auto-show-avalon-reveal-153426- .aspx

    I'd read in some newspaper's online news that a front bench seat would be an option but it looks like that's not true. There is a 1mpg gain in mileage and a backup camera is standard in the rearview mirror (?) on cars without a Nav system. Too bad the XLS line has been dropped; I suppose that saves money some way or another. Wonder how much of a price increase there will be?
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