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2011 Toyota Avalon

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  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Install a set of Bosch Evolution wipers.
  • nan48nan48 Posts: 350
    Took a 700 mile trip recently. We got 28.2 MPG first fill up and 24.6 the second. On the way home I drove the car very hard. I needed to get home fast so it was necessary. Car was loaded with 3 grownup. Heavy grown ups and plenty of luggage. :)

    I did drive in rain. (A little) My blades did the skipping some of the time. I've seen this before in other cars. I THINK my skips when there is less rain but I can honestly say for sure. I will certainly take note from now on. Thanks for all the information.
  • nan48nan48 Posts: 350
    Did this help?
  • nan48nan48 Posts: 350
    Gramz showed me how to reset the MPG. It works, just like he said. It's not completely accurate but works.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    That was a suggestion for those with the wiper problem.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Ok, so I'm going to buy a new, maybe used (Lexus LS460), so what's a guy to do.

    New 2011 Avalon Limited in Pearl White (Dealers given me a good deal on this color)
    Spend a bit more and get a new 2011 Avalon in Crimson Mica with Nav and up-graded sound system. ***Is the Nav any better then earlier models? I believe I read several posts with people not happy with their Nav system?

    Is the up-graded radio a big deal? If I'm not mistaken, it goes from a 6 CD changer to a 4?

    OR

    A 2007 Lexus LS 460 with 42,000 miles owned by a local business women, who gets chaffered in in, and yes the car looks like brand new, but it is used, and is about $3,000.00 less money.

    I put on 30,000+- miles a year, so next year the car will have 75, 80,000 miles on it?

    Damn I hate being in this position.

    New Avalon (and which model) or Used Lexus?

    Warranty or not.

    Miles or not?

    Cost of ownership?

    Ok folks, so weight in with your 2 cents worth É please.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    With the miles you put on I honestly would go for the Avalon. First of all you will save a little bit on gas as the Avalon would do a little better in that department. Second you will have a warranty which is always nice on a 30K+ purchase. Third, where do you live? The Avalon being FWD may be a little better in the snow than the LS (RWD). Finally the Avalon is four years newer and after you are done with it could be worth a little more than the LS.

    As for the upgraded stereo, I think all Limiteds get the JBL unit. The NAV system has the same stereo, it just looses some disc capacity. The reason I am assuming is for the NAV disc/drive.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • fhffhf Posts: 19
    Strictly from a numbers point of view. If you keep a car for 150,000 miles, and I assume you pay $34,000 for the Avalon then the Avalon miles are worth $0.23 per mile (with no consideration for trade-in value). The 42,000 miles on the Lexus would have a comparable Avalon value of $9,660 (this value goes up if you trade at lower miles). Therefore the numbers say buy the Avalon.
  • robsisrobsis Posts: 160
    I love the upgraded sound and new NAV. There are a few things to get used to; however, it is much better than the previous gen.

    Go for the Avy. In the long run, not only do the numbers work out better, as pointed out (including resale), you will be pleased overall with the vehicle and glad you got almost the same level of luxury for much less.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Anyone here have a 2011 that also had the previously generation (05-10?). I am curious as to how the ride/handling/performance compare. It appears to me that everything is largely the same. I was just curious.

    For a little background I had an 06 XLS that when it came off lease I replaced it with an 09 Genesis (that I now HATE the ride in). In a year when it comes time to turn that in I may look at an Avalon again.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Asked and answered elsewhere...

    LS...!!
  • gramzgramz Posts: 105
    $3,000 for 42,000 miles. Now that's a deal I would buy anytime.

    I haven't owned a Lexus but my BIL has one and after driving mine he's of the opinion that they are overrated.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited May 2011
    Yes, the forward weight bias of the FWD Avalon will often result in getting the car initially up and going on a slippery surface vs an equivalent weight RWD vehicle. But the "advantage" stops right there.

    What you must consider is that once you are up and going, underway, on that same slippery surface the "safety" equation reverses. On a questionable traction surface FWD vehicles have a tendency to "plow", understear, whereas a RWD vehicle will have a tendency for skidding, swapping ends, "over-steering".

    So, why do you care...?

    When a FWD vehicle begins to "plow" you have lost ALL control.

    VSC, if you have it, will likely begin braking the rear wheels in an effort to slow the vehicle to the point that enough roadbed adhesion is regained that directional control returns. Absent VSC you might try lightly applying the rear implemented e-brake to the same effect.

    Note: Lifting the gas pedal, a common human instinctive reaction in this situation, is oftentimes the EXACT wrong thing to do. Completely lifting the gas pedal will result in the front wheels shifting into BRAKING mode, and having already lost traction that action, instinctive action, might well exacerbate the situation.

    RWD WILL be subject to skidding, swapping ends, over-stearing, either on a slippery roadbed or if too much engine torque is applied for roadbed conditions. VSC, if you have it, will begin braking the "outside" (outside of the turn radius) front wheel so as to "nip" the skid in the "bud", as it were.

    Absent VSC all the driver need do is slightly counter-steer while also, simultaneously, lifting the gas pedal slightly. For most drivers this quickly becomes an instinctive reaction.

    So, buy the Avalon and risk life and limb, or drive the LS in safety, comfort, and QUIET.

    Your choice.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited May 2011
    "Overrated" as opposed to WHAT..??

    Overpriced (showroom) in comparison, CERTAINLY, ABSOLUTELY.....!

    But that overpricing is a direct result of the inverse of being overrated.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited May 2011
    Nav..Stereo...??!!!

    You're buying a CAR...!

    I would never again buy a CAPTIVE GPS/Nav system, portable NAV systems are so much better on ALL points. My '01 F/awd RX300 GPS/Nav, $3,000 option, disk, after 2 $300 updates, remains constantly EJECTED.

    Stereo..?

    Aftermarket fix, if required, is just too inexpensive to consider the factory one as a purchase "grading" point. The fidelity, overall viability, of the BASE LS sound system is unquestioned, unquestionable.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    With FWD you are simply less likely to get stuck than with RWD (all things being equal, all season tires). If you apply the same safe driving procedures the FWD is no more dangerous in the slick conditions than the RWD car.

    Having said that, RWD does have its advantages but winter weather driving isn't one of them.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..If you apply the same safe driving procedures.."

    But that would mean leaving my 4WD (R/awd) Ford Aerostar safely in the garage alongside my '01 F/awd RX300 during foul wintertime weather...

    Not an option.
  • nan48nan48 Posts: 350
    The Avalon would be a better choice in my opinion. Price of premium gas over regular unleaded. Lexus probably is a better car. Unless you're looking to impress your neighbor. Heck by my Avalon for 34.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I have an LS460, and love it. I'm very familiar with the Avalon, and love those as well. Besides the huge price difference, the differences are many. Drive train totally opposite, engine completely different, more amenities available in the Lexus, but many are still available in the Avalon. If money is no object, get the Lexus. If value is the goal, definitely get the Avalon. You get quite a bit more with the Lexus, but I don't know if you get twice as much more...know what I mean? A good compromise, is the Lexus ES350. It's basically an Avalon in Lexus clothes. Priced between the two, has the panache of the Lexus, with the value closer to the Avalon. That's my recommendation.
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    edited May 2011
    If you like choclate chip cookies while you get an oil change, buy the Lexus. Toyota serves coffee only after the cheap doughnuts run out at about 8:15 in the wait room. A Lexus will also impress the neighbors. If saving money means anything I would try the Avalon, the Lexus is out of warranty soon (probably) and they cost a fortune to fix not to mention the 2007 was the infamous "first year" for the LS460.

    Honestly, these are two very different cars and both should be winners if taken care of. As posted above, weather may play a role here as would dealer accessability. The Lexus is also tight inside for such a large exterior. We looked at them both in 2007, went for an Avalon instead, better value for us. Tough choice, this is the only car I can think of that rides better than an Avalon (ES350 is too soft for me)......... let us know the result!
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    If gas price, premium vs regular, is an issue the LS will run perfectly fine on regular. Modern day engine control systems use the crank position sensor to determine which correction action is required once knock/ping is detected. Detonation prior to spark ignition and EFI dutycycle will be adjusted to provide slight mixture enrichment. Detonation with or subsequent to spark ignition and the timing might be retarded.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited May 2011
    The ES350 is nothing more than a "spiffed up" Toyota Camry, NOT an Avalon.

    The Camry/ES is also FWD.

    Personally I wouldn't hesitate in recommending the Avalon except for it being FWD, putting life and limb at risk in wintertime adverse, slippery, roadbed conditions.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Yes, the Lexus will likely cost a fortune to fix, when and/or if it fails. A very rare event IMMHO.

    I know of 3 LS400s, a 91 (brother), a 92 (mine), and a 95 (marketing mgr), all well beyond 200,000 miles and NEVER been back to Lexus, or elsewhere, for repair.

    I NEVER use the local Lexus dealer for anything but parts purchase and whenever I do that I always stop by the coffee machine for a StarBucks Latte.

    That being said I am on record as fully expecting the transaxle to fail prior to 100,000 miles due to a design flaw in my '01 F/awd RX300. But that will be a DIY effort and the RX will be converted to R/awd in the process.

    80,000 plus miles and counting.

    So I would advise that NO ONE purchase an RX300. RX330 adopted DBW to alleviate the problems arising from the design flaw but that resulted in other issues, intangible issues.
  • douglas1douglas1 Posts: 130
    I had a 2005 Avalon Ltd that I bought new and traded in on a 2011 Avalon Ltd. The 2011 is superior in all respects than my 2005. Better milage, better ride, much quieter.
  • nan48nan48 Posts: 350
    For those who own a 2011 this is great news. I've always wondered how this 2011 stacks up against earlier years. I traded a 2000 Avalon in on my 11. The steering on my 2000 was easier. It seems Toyota has change the steering method. Besides that I didn't own my 2000 long enough to compare. I had electrical problems with that car. Again thanks for sharing,
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Well I hemmed and all, but ended up with the 2011 Avalon, and so far - love it.

    I'd really like to get matching floor mats though:('

    I got the Red with creme colored interior and well, black mats just don't do it for me.

    Now I'm thinking I'll get the dealer to order some tan that are available for 2011's, and swap with them.

    Other then that, I've only gone 5 miles so way to hard / early to say what I like or don't like over my 2008 Touring Model Avalon.

    Skip

    PS In case you are wondering, it did weight heavy in my discussion - that the dealer just purchased $8,000.00 + in promotional products and print matter.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Congrats! If you can, post up a pic or two!

    As for the black mats, go on Ebay and grab the ivory set for a 05-10 Avalon. I don't believe they have changed at all.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I'd post a picture if I could see how?

    Ok, so I'll post on my fliker account.

    - http://www.flickr.com/photos/vonstringcaldinkal/

    Once we have a sunny day, I'll get more photo's of the car, and maybe even a cool one or two.

    Skip
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Very Nice, I hope you don't mind, but I'll put it up for others to see.

    image

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Not at all. Thanks.

    I hope to spend some time with the car and my camera and see if I can get something just a bit different to the coming days.
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